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[Onyx Jaguar]

After playing through the Redcliffe quest multiple times I had assumed that every single time you let Jowan escape he comes back and offers the blood magic ritual to enter the fade, which in turn always leads to his imprison.  I know this game has its fair share of bugs on the Xbox 360 but a friend of mine who got it recently said when he let Jowan escape that he actually did escape.  I looked around for some information to see if this was correct and I found this quest.

So I guess my question is when talking in the prison do I have to threaten him so that if he escapes he never comes back?  When looking at the DA Wiki it said to pick the option "Run I never want to see you again."  I believe I have picked that in the past but every single time I had the same outcome in the quest, so I am not 100% sure if I ever chose that.  Also if you are playing as a Circle Mage would the dialogue be different to get his escape since the dialogue when talking to him is a bit different?

I believe I have done every single quest in the game (or nearly all) and I would like to know either what I am doing wrong or if I have to be very specific in the dialogue that I choose (similar to Alistair's personal quest) so I can come across this one.

*EDIT: Upon further reading it seems that this quest is fairly bugged on the PC, and no doubt bugged as well on the 360, I guess this post is merely for curiousity as to how to get Jowan to escape Redcliffe.

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 04 mars 2010 - 10:24 .

[Ken555]

I got it when my PC was a mage.

[RangerSG]

I've never had a problem with the quest on the PC. And I've done it with all classes.

[Onyx Jaguar]

So I assume that all you have to do is to tell him "Run I never want to see you again" during that conversation so he escapes?

[L0n3w0lf1971]

you can release jowan and let him run ahead on his own, leave him in his cell, kill him or force him to leave the castle, Jowan will not be able to perform the blood magic ritual at end of quest.



ive only released him a few times to help in the castle. (none of your party likes that).

ive killed him (party dont like that ethier)

left him there (party dont care).



i myself leave him there as i dont need him, i do the circle mages quest 1st so i get the option to get their help to save Conner and send Wynne into the fade.

[errant_knight]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

So I assume that all you have to do is to tell him "Run I never want to see you again" during that conversation so he escapes?

I think you must be right. He always comes back in my playthroughs, but I tell him that I want him to help, and don't tell him to run away.

Modifié par errant_knight, 04 mars 2010 - 04:32 .

[e-ver]

L0n3w0lf1971 wrote...

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ive only released him a few times to help in the castle. (none of your party likes that).
*snip*

Morrigan does. (As should be expected.)

[Noir201]

Leliana approves if you release him to help undo the mess that has been made, not tryed other options after release, will try once unlocked arcane warrior spec for a new mage, to do my evil ice queen run.

[pudi0072000]

Yes, you have to tell him you never want to see him again, otherwise he'll let Eamon decide his fate later, which means he'll be executed or made tranquil. To actually get the Jowan's Intention's side-quest, try traveling between the Dalish Camp and the Ruins - the map marker/Random encounter will take place between those points. Or you can use the console to make it happen.

[L0n3w0lf1971]

ok didnt know about morrigan feeling as i dont use her after lothering and i forgot leilana as i dont use her much now (only for her quest missions and the stealing part in the Summoning Sciences quest) my PC is the rogue

[Onyx Jaguar]

I see, I must have said something differently in that conversation tree. I'm going to try this on my next go when I start a new male mage (borked my previous one).

[Jah77]

pudi0072000 wrote...

Yes, you have to tell him you never want to see him again, otherwise he'll let Eamon decide his fate later, which means he'll be executed or made tranquil. 

If your character is a mage, Eamon will leave the decision to you.

[GarethJShep]

This is really interesting because every time I have done dao jowan comes back so when he is in the cage do I let him free and tell him I don't want to see him again what do I do so he ascapes some help would be nice please?

[Ferretinabun]

Garethj17 wrote...

This is really interesting because every time I have done dao jowan comes back so when he is in the cage do I let him free and tell him I don't want to see him again what do I do so he ascapes some help would be nice please?

Leave Jowan in the cell = Teagan fetches him later for the blood ritual
Release Jowan = he will return later to volunteer the information about the blood ritual
Release Jowan and tell him to 'run you never want to see him again' = Jowan is gone for good. You will not be able to perform the blood ritual, and will need Morrigan/Wynne (either in your party or later in camp) to suggest fetching the mages to enter the Fade to free Connor. If this happened, Jowan was supposed to have another side-quest where he is on the run called Jowan's Intentions, but it is bugged up the wazoo. You can only actually get to it on PC via the console, and even then only sometimes.

[wanderon]

In a related situation I read someplace recently that some folks like to send Jowan into the fade to allow him to redeem himself so I just tried this on my latest run through. I should have made a save first but chose the option on the spur of the moment - Jowan gets into the fade and has no access to the party inventory - and no way to heal himself other than a drain spell or death magic - neither of which were effective enough to keep him alive for me on hard or normal (PC) - after several reloads I finally got through by turning the game down to easy - I won't do that again LOL.

[Ferretinabun]

Yes, that's true, Jowan does suck quite a bit. It might be easier later on in the game when he probably has a few higher level spells...?

And if you think it's hard with Jowan, try it with Irwing! He's gob-smackingly useless. Maker knows who he was sleeping with to get the First Enchanter position!

[wanderon]

Ferretinabun wrote...

Yes, that's true, Jowan does suck quite a bit. It might be easier later on in the game when he probably has a few higher level spells...?

And if you think it's hard with Jowan, try it with Irwing! He's gob-smackingly useless. Maker knows who he was sleeping with to get the First Enchanter position!

Well of course Irving sucks at actually doing anything    First Enchanter is no doubt an elected administration position  which makes him both a politician and an administrator his skill set is based entirely on talking out of both sides of his mouth at once without actually saying anything.

[Zaxares]

Actually I thought Irving did better in the Fade than Jowan did! Of course, neither of them could hold a candle to Morrigan/Wynne thanks to the beefed up gear and superior spell selection they had. XD

[wanderon]

Zaxares wrote...

Actually I thought Irving did better in the Fade than Jowan did! Of course, neither of them could hold a candle to Morrigan/Wynne thanks to the beefed up gear and superior spell selection they had. XD

Isn't that really the oddity tho at least for Irving? How is it that either this young mostly untrained apostate or even the seasoned Wynne have better skills than the mage that has risen to the highest rank in the circle?  

(Unless of course he is simply an administrator as I joked earlier.)

I suspect the real answer of course is it was simply a game balance issue that devs did not want to provide an option to use a character from outside the party that was more skilled than current party members thus making that choice more attractive/powerful than the other options.