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[skotie]

Dawnhorn wrote...

Can't you just buy the book in Denerim within the magic shop "World of Thedas" or something?

No, but a good place for the book to drop would be off the one blood mage leader at the top of the mage tower during the Circle quest. Or they could have added a book in the side quest in Denerim to destroy the hideout of bloodmages, certainly they if not the bloodmage leader in the tower should have some books on blood magic.

[Rivie]

What about that whole group of scrolls that you get in that quest that detail blood magic rituals? The ones with symbols on them in your codex?

I was kind of surprised that you didn't get the option to go ahead and use those to learn the specialization after you'd gathered them all. Before (or instead of) turning them in. I think it was a Mages Collective quest. I can't think of the name of the scrolls but I think they started with a B.

Modifié par Rivie, 30 décembre 2009 - 05:20 .

[fantasypisces]

I think it is appropriate for it's unlock condition, that you have to make a deal with a Demon, that fits the lore. My only real gripe is that you have to be a mage to unlock it, eve though it does make some sense. But I think you should allow Morrigan to unlock it. Heck it fits her personality and all her choices throughout the game. "You mean you will make me more powerful if I let you have the boy later!? Deal!" And no one would be any wiser.

[Jax Sparrow]

They can easily fix this by making Jowan and Lily recruitable.  Though along with that Nesiara, Tamlin, and Gorim hehe

Though it is easy enough to unlock it from a prior save and then skip ahead to wherever your toon is and 'respec'.

Modifié par Jax Sparrow, 30 décembre 2009 - 06:38 .

[skotie]

fantasypisces wrote...

I think it is appropriate for it's unlock condition, that you have to make a deal with a Demon, that fits the lore. My only real gripe is that you have to be a mage to unlock it, eve though it does make some sense. But I think you should allow Morrigan to unlock it. Heck it fits her personality and all her choices throughout the game. "You mean you will make me more powerful if I let you have the boy later!? Deal!" And no one would be any wiser.

That surprized me as well, the main reason I still haven't unlocked it yet. I really didn't want to play another game with my PC as a mage again.

Yeah Morrigan is a funny creature she is, at the end of the game "Hey I'll be your hero! Just sleep with my like a dirty **** and I'll do this ritual to make a demon baby with you, the soul of the arch demon will be contained in the baby and you'll never see the child or me again! It sounds like a great plan right? You get to bone me, be a dad to a super powerful and dangerous demonspawn and never see your babies mama again. Don't worry I'm not gonna ask for child support ether!! Its a total Win-Win I swear."

But when she confronts the desire demon.....

"HELL NOOOOOO! I know better than to make deals with you evil demons b****!"

Modifié par skotie, 30 décembre 2009 - 06:39 .

[Tirigon]

The demon that teaches blood magic should be in the other time in the fade, in the quest that everyone gets to do. So you could still make a pact, but wouldnt miss the opportunity of even meeting the demon by killing Connor.

[sagefic]

RazorrX wrote...

Just like I wanted more fallout for being an Elf. I mean do you really think Landsmeet is going to listen to an ELF? Would they listen to a Dwarf? Would they listen to a Mage for that matter?

But I guess they could not put that kind of stuff in and have the game flow properly.

i thought this too

but as for the mage, i think so - if Ser Jory's reaction is any good indication, people respect mages - and they totally freak people out. so would people take the advice of a mage, i think so. i LOVED his reaction. made me laugh every time i played it.

and i guess the idea is that because you're a grey warden now you're golden. or tainted. tainted golden. anyhow, suddenly people respect you.

[skotie]

sagequeen wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

Just like I wanted more fallout for being an Elf. I mean do you really think Landsmeet is going to listen to an ELF? Would they listen to a Dwarf? Would they listen to a Mage for that matter?

But I guess they could not put that kind of stuff in and have the game flow properly.

i thought this too

but as for the mage, i think so - if Ser Jory's reaction is any good indication, people respect mages - and they totally freak people out. so would people take the advice of a mage, i think so. i LOVED his reaction. made me laugh every time i played it.

and i guess the idea is that because you're a grey warden now you're golden. or tainted. tainted golden. anyhow, suddenly people respect you.

Its actually really funny how much people respect the Grey Warden's, considering their recruitment methods you could have just slaughtered an entire Orphanage only to be conscripted, yet they still roll out the red carpet for every Grey Warden that passes through.

[Tirigon]

sagequeen wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

Just like I wanted more fallout for being an Elf. I mean do you really think Landsmeet is going to listen to an ELF? Would they listen to a Dwarf? Would they listen to a Mage for that matter?

But I guess they could not put that kind of stuff in and have the game flow properly.

i thought this too

but as for the mage, i think so - if Ser Jory's reaction is any good indication, people respect mages - and they totally freak people out. so would people take the advice of a mage, i think so. i LOVED his reaction. made me laugh every time i played it.

and i guess the idea is that because you're a grey warden now you're golden. or tainted. tainted golden. anyhow, suddenly people respect you.

If they had introduced these possibilities, they should have given you an evil choice for those to whom they dont listen:
PC:  "Declare me King now. Everyone who votes yes will be honored, if he survives the blight. Everyone who votes no will die right here, and loose his right to vote. Anyone disagreeing?"
Random noble: "I disagree.. . (more blabla)
PC: (*Silently draws his sword / magic staff / other weapon of choice and beheads / burns / kills otherwise the noble.*)
Other nobles (depending on your threatening skill, either:) "Yes, my King, We vote yes"
(or:) "Kill him!" (*battle begins, you kill everyone*)
PC: Thanks for crowning me.

[SnakeStrike8]

The only thing I find too restrictive about unlocking the Blood Mage is that I have to be playing a mage to get it. No other specialization has this issue (I can gain the duelist specialization while still playing a warrior, for instance, or the reaver specialization while playing a rogue). That irks me somewhat, but the Connor situation is so shamelessly amazing and reminds me so much of Planescape Torment that I forgive that issue.

[Baalzie]

Curry Noodles wrote...

Blood mage really is too restrictive to unlock. I think you actually have to be a mage to unlock it, unlike pretty much every other specialization. The only other one that specific is Reaver, I think.

Nope, Unlocked Reaver with my rogue...
Only Bloodmage forces You to have the PC as a certain class, and do THAT  many questspecific choices... really bad actually, imo...
Could have been dealt  with MUCH smoother...

[hereticeyes]

It makes a lot of sense to learn Blood Magic from the Demon, but there are 2 simpler ways to learn Blood Magic that I wished the game included:

-learn it from your best friend Jowan
-secretly study the blood magic books in the Circle library. They were accessible to all at first, then hidden in the Senior Enchanter's room later. I bet Jowan studied those same books himself rather than made a pact with a Demon.

[Gold Dragon]

I think it would have been more logical to have ALL Specializations unlockable thru a Trainer and an associated Quest, myself. Once the quest was completed once, it could become optional (similar to how it is now), but none of these books. Only Mage Specs should have been manuals (learning how to lose one's temper to become a berserker by READING? Really? Don't most people already know how to do that? )

[Whisa]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

I think it would have been more logical to have ALL Specializations unlockable thru a Trainer and an associated Quest, myself. Once the quest was completed once, it could become optional (similar to how it is now), but none of these books. Only Mage Specs should have been manuals (learning how to lose one's temper to become a berserker by READING? Really? Don't most people already know how to do that? )

Or..  Oghren trains you..  and teaches you how to manage your rage..  

Go party members

[yoh6667]

Hey! Could someone give me a save a bit before the pact with the demon, as a mage warden?

That's the third time I do the game and so far I never took mage as warden but I wanna unlock BM ; ;

I don't want to do the game again just to unlock this spec so please please !

[MutantSpleen]

That's right I had to make a deal with that demon to get it. I personally don't think specializations should stay unlocked for other characters but that is just me. I personally think all the specializations should have been just as restrictive, it was way too easy to learn some and using the books to buy some is really lame. I do not think specializations were handled well in DAO.

But yes if you want the power you have to make the deal. Its still a decision that haunts my character.

My real problem with the Blood Mage specialization is that once you get it, there is no repercussions for using it around your comrades.

Modifié par MutantSpleen, 14 janvier 2010 - 12:29 .

[McMaze]

I don't understand the complaining. You only miss the specialization if you play a chaotic stupid character. Your choices have consequences and sometimes this means you miss something out. That's what constitutes a good Rpg.

Archfiend wrote...

theres nothing wrong with the conner line (think its the best quest in the game) the problem lies in this is the only way to get BM. why couldnt the slaver teach it to you since he blows up a bunch of elves to give you 1 point of con. there are other places where you could learn it as well.

If you could just ask Jowan or buy a book there would no point in sacrificing Conner or even going to the Fade. The moral decision and the effort you put in Conners rescue is what makes the Bloodmage so special and afterall it shouldn't be too easy to unlock this specialization. I hope we see more of those situations in the future games.


Good job Bioware.

[Knal1991]

I don't remember Jowan saying he got it from a demon, most likely it can be teached to, wouldn't it be kinda odd that there were so many blood mages in The Broken Circle, wouldn't anyone notice that, I think the teacher may have thaught them...



that said it would be interesting for a second opporutnity in wardens keep to have Avernus teach you..



I sgree though, that I liked how they done it now

[Series5Ranger]

Haasth wrote...

lattimer viridian wrote...

I'm disappointed in us players who have forgetten about RP in RPGs. Be the evil character and unlock blood mage and reaver or be the good character who would not even think about being that class. Bioware has always allowed a good path and an evil path in their games. Play it twice, it's a worth while enough game.

I disagree. Blood Mage is not evil. Many Blood Mages are however sinister. The only way you can gain the specliazation from a RP perspective is by making a rather sinister pact. I can live with that as you unlock it for your whole account (Meaning I could pick it up, while still staying in-character).

*Spoiler*



What Sinister Pact? If you're an Arcane Warrior,  your Magic replaces your strength stat. You can be rather Intimidating , and the Demon will give you what you want AND  release Connor permanently. She knows you'll come back and kill her if she doesn't comply.

Modifié par Series5Ranger, 14 janvier 2010 - 03:28 .

[Zecele]

I don't understand the complaining. You only miss the specialization if you play a chaotic stupid character. Your choices have consequences and sometimes this means you miss something out. That's what constitutes a good Rpg.

The complaining is because it's useful to your mage NPC's but it's the only specialization that requires your PC to be a certain class. It seems like that keeps getting missed in this thread. If you aren't playing a mage you don't HAVE the option to make the chaotic stupid choice so in effect there is no choice.



I would even be happy if unlocking it was restricted to Morrigan. Sacrificing Connor is something I can totally see her doing in return for being taught more power. Jowan doesn't make any sense since he's already a Blood Mage and Wynne there is no question wouldn't accept.

[Treason1]

There are only two Spec.s in the game that have a single "unlocking" event: Blood Mage and Ranger.



First, I like how things were done. I don't have a problem with them.

Second. Personally, I would think it better (in my opinion only) if you could indeed learn the Blood Mage spec. by way of the Scrolls of Banestor, as someone made mention of, in an earlier post. Isn't there some sort of conversation path while in the Broken Circle quest, where you learn that there were probably a good many secret meetings where blood magic was passed on from teacher to student? Sounds to me that blood magic can be taught, without having to make some sort of compact with a demon. I'm unsure of the amount of exposure to the Fade that a typical mage apprentice experiences during their time in the Tower, so I am not too sure if the "teaching" being done is simply not the more experienced blood mage giving their student access to a demon..anyway, lots of things to speculate on.

[JosieJ]

My only issue was as someone mentioned above: that you can't have Morrigan make the deal as well as (or instead of ) a mage PC. It most definitely fits her character that she'd make a deal with a demon for more power!



Otherwise, I didn't have a problem with the way you have to unlock Blood Mage, or Reaver, for that matter.

[McMaze]

Zecele wrote...


The complaining is because it's useful to your mage NPC's but it's the only specialization that requires your PC to be a certain class. It seems like that keeps getting missed in this thread. If you aren't playing a mage you don't HAVE the option to make the chaotic stupid choice so in effect there is no choice.

Well that's only a problem if you want to teach Morrigan or Wynne the specialization. Especially the latter doesn't make that much sense. I always feeled Bloodmagic is only intended for the PC since it requires your character to be a mage and is difficult to unlock.



Personally I wouldn't have any  problems if other specializations ( e.g. Reaver, Ranger) requires your PC to be a certain class too.

[ArathWoeeye]

I think it's also about unlocking system.



Fact: You can make party members of a certain spec if you unlocked it.

Fact: You can't ever use it on yourself or others if you never did the necessary thing.

Fact: RP-wise, you are required to do something to unlock it, but your characters don't. For example, wynne does not (actually can not) deal with a demon.

Fact: You can do the thing necessary and load the game to unlock it.



So when I enter the fade and deal with the demon, Wynne has no idea but she can still become a blood mage.

Instead of that, I think specs should be unlocked for your account when you reach the particular place where you can unlock it. However, your own character should only be able to use it if you do the thing.



Dunno, maybe that's not the best choice but the current system doesn't make much sense at best and is very annoying and lame at worst.

[Greyshaft1]

Tennmuerti stated

'By your logic blood transfusion is bad.

Blood is nothing more then a liquid, if you do not abuse it blood magic can be used to only use some blood either from you or from some one else. Like any kind of power (example: guns) it is the use of power that is good or bad not the power itself.

Even from the game itself we can see that you do not need to sacrifice anything major to make use of blood magic, cut yourself up a bit, voila! It is only becouse so many mages abuse it and go overboard that it is feared and hated by others.`



However Jown points out that more powerful the spell more blood is needed eg Connor's mother willing to sacrafice herself to supply the needed blood for one rituel.