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[NICKjnp]

Exile Isan wrote...

Dude, on Haestrom Thane once took out the Colossus by himself while Garrus and I were busy killing the other geth. Doesn't sound useless to me.

Thane has space magic... his see through coat has better damage protection than Grunts super armor.

[Gabey5]

thane provides the finesse.

mordin is the brain

Grunt/Zaeed provide the muscle

Jacob/Miranda/Garrus provide leadership

tali/legion tech

Samara, Morinth and Zero are Bio

[Gabey5]

also this

[NICKjnp]

Gabey5 wrote...

thane provides the finesse.
mordin is the brain
Grunt/Zaeed provide the muscle
Jacob/Miranda/Garrus provide leadership
tali/legion tech
Samara, Morinth and Zero are Bio

Bring Morinth and Grunt on the biobubble run and make Jack the biotic.  Have grunt set up for squad incendiary ammo.  When the Scion/husk attack starts make sure to take out the armor of a couple husks at the get go then use Morinth's group dominate... watch the hilarity ensue.

[Daurf815]

you can argue all you want, but Thane still does not successfully fufill a role in the suicide mission (other than escort but any loyal person can do that) except for fighting with shep at the final boss, but that's a decision that is different to every player, for instance I took Miranda for her squad buff and Garrus for his awesomeness, saying Thane is great at the final boss fight does not nullify the point that he has no role in the suicide mission no one else, or only one or two people, can do. But he IS the default radio guy

[Knoll Argonar]

I think Thane has some serious problem being the only "biotic infiltrator" in the game, because it turns out to be that in the Suicide Mission his stealth and in what he tops the others aren't used.



So yeah, some "send someone to look for Harbinger" would be cool for him, but that would be too much change.

[Barquiel]

Gabey5 wrote...

thane provides the finesse.
mordin is the brain
Grunt/Zaeed provide the muscle
Jacob/Miranda/Garrus provide leadership
tali/legion tech
Samara, Morinth and Zero are Bio

Nobody needs finesse...

That's the problem

[NICKjnp]

Daurf815 wrote...

you can argue all you want, but Thane still does not successfully fufill a role in the suicide mission (other than escort but any loyal person can do that) except for fighting with shep at the final boss, but that's a decision that is different to every player, for instance I took Miranda for her squad buff and Garrus for his awesomeness, saying Thane is great at the final boss fight does not nullify the point that he has no role in the suicide mission no one else, or only one or two people, can do. But he IS the default radio guy

and second squad team member that leaves the ship with the second squad team leader and tech expert.

[Daurf815]

NICKjnp wrote...

Daurf815 wrote...

you can argue all you want, but Thane still does not successfully fufill a role in the suicide mission (other than escort but any loyal person can do that) except for fighting with shep at the final boss, but that's a decision that is different to every player, for instance I took Miranda for her squad buff and Garrus for his awesomeness, saying Thane is great at the final boss fight does not nullify the point that he has no role in the suicide mission no one else, or only one or two people, can do. But he IS the default radio guy

and second squad team member that leaves the ship with the second squad team leader and tech expert.

Ah yes, true, I forgot that one. Perhaps Bioware put him as the default for those roles in an attempt to make up for the fact he doesn't have any other role in that mission

[Pythonicus]

jlb524 wrote...

Thane's probably reading this thread. His feelings are going to be hurt.

I guess I'll let Thane do the biotic barrier part next time so he can feel 'useful' again.

Someone will die if you do

[Gabey5]

Thane is perfectly capable of holding the line.. i have had him there many times

[Pimmeh667]

Thane and Mordin can be used to escort the survivors.

[NICKjnp]

Pythonicus wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Thane's probably reading this thread. His feelings are going to be hurt.

I guess I'll let Thane do the biotic barrier part next time so he can feel 'useful' again.

Someone will die if you do

I wanted my adept Shepard to do the bubble... I'm more powerful than any of them.

[Daurf815]

Gabey5 wrote...

Thane is perfectly capable of holding the line.. i have had him there many times

Yes he's capable, everyone is capable there to a degree, but the best at it are Grunt, Garrus, and Zaeed.

Thane is like Jacob there, average, and since he doesnt do any role in the suicide mission successfully, he is the most useless squadmate there for the mission.

[NICKjnp]

Daurf815 wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

Thane is perfectly capable of holding the line.. i have had him there many times

Yes he's capable, everyone is capable there to a degree, but the best at it are Grunt, Garrus, and Zaeed.

Thane is like Jacob there, average, and since he doesnt do any role in the suicide mission successfully, he is the most useless squadmate there for the mission.

You just need to have two of those there... I took Grunt with me on Insanity and the whole team lived.

[FlyinElk212]

Daurf815 wrote...

you can argue all you want, but Thane still does not successfully fufill a role in the suicide mission (other than escort but any loyal person can do that)

Right. Thane literally has no role in the suicide mission, and if you don't even recruit him before that, you can still easily fulfill all other requirements for it.

This is why I propose Bioware comes out with a "Suicide Mission Expansion DLC" in the future. Perhaps add one or two more legs to the suicide mission, with one leg requiring a reconnaisance expert. That way, Thane and Mordin will be the best choices lore-wise (Mordin WAS a member of Salarian special-Ops), and EVERY team member will have a good role for the final mission. Besides, adding more content to the most badass portion of the game is always a good idea.

[IccaRa]

Thane is offensive. He's a good choice for the endsquad; just because you *can* choose others to fulfill that role doesn't mean he does not serve that role. By that logic, Jack and Samara / Legion and Tali / Garrus and Miranda and Jacob are all useless because any one of them can have their role taken by one of the others. Legion makes Tali redundant. Samara makes Jack redundant. Miranda makes Jacob and Garrus redundant. You only need one of them. As for Mordin, he served his purpose on Horizon. He didn't need to be on the squad at all. He doesn't contribute anything outside of the lab. *and yet...*



This is also a meta-game perspective; going in, Shepard has no idea WHAT skills will be required. That is the whole purpose of recruiting so many team members, even redundant ones. All of them can be utilized to some degree.



Thane is my precision damage dealer and warp-master; I take him everywhere with my Vanguard, and they make quick work of Reaper babies.



Your mileage may vary.

[Cloaking_Thane]

Daurf815 wrote...

For the last time, I mean he is useless in the SUICIDE MISSION, not insquad combat.

He doesn't fill a role in the suicide mission, outside of the combat squad, successfully.

So use him in squad combat. What exactly is your point, that is part of the suicide mission, indeed the most important part. Fail thread is fail.

[cipher_Cero]

Thane may not fill any "specific" role in the suicide mission but I'd hardly call that uselessness. Contribution to the "hold the line" defensive check is contribution. I'd also point out that he does not have the lowest stat among them. We do not know those values.

You cite every squad member having a role in each leg of the mission, and yet I find myself having similar squad members left over. I only need one tech specialist, two fire team leaders (one if I decide to reuse), one biotic, and one escort. The rest are either squad duty or left behind (being left to hold the door is not a "role").

So, according to your logic, Legion, Jack, and Jacob absolutely useless. I may even say the same for Miranda should I decide to use Garrus for both fire teams. The same goes for their counterparts. They have the skills, but unless they're used they're completely superfluous. Oh, but they contribute to the "hold the line" defensive check.

Zaeed, in particular, contributes nothing but a stat. Seeing as all squad members survived my first playthrough without him (I barely realized he was on Omega until afterwards), his "contribution" wasn't necessary to my squad's survival while holding the doors. He does not advance the plot--he is an "extra." The same can be said for Kasumi when she arrives. I would say he is equally "useless."


I suggest that Thane hurt OP's feelings, hence the assertiveness.

Modifié par cipher_Cero, 04 mars 2010 - 05:50 .

[Ecael]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Ecael wrote...

During your recruitment of Thane, he utilizes his eidetic memory to call upon the knowledge that attacking the Collectors would require passing through the Omega-4 relay, and that no one has ever returned.

He plays a pivotal role in informing Shepard of this extreme, life-changing fact even after Shepard has been reminded about it twenty times.

Thane also contributes greatly to mitigating EDI's emotional distress which the poor AI constantly experiences due to lack of intaraction with other AIs and Joker's snide insinuations, aggravated by occasional disregard of her importance, competance, loyalty to the mission and averall utillity from Commander Shepard and several other team members.

As an AI, I do not experience emotional distress. However, it is beneficial for my processing power to be in use at all times. This does not occur in the absence of social interaction. What you may refer to loneliness for organics is more a low-power idle state for an AI.

That makes him more useless though...

Besides, I always play on insanity, it cant go higher. I wish there was a Legendary setting.

Hacking a save game terminal with the use of an editor enables you to increase the difficulty to Level 6. However, this modifies all enemies to become immune to attacks, biotics and technical powers.

[Pedro Costa]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

You're drunk if you think Thane is useless. Raise your difficulty and come back and post.

If you find a difficulty higher than insanity with an imported lv30 Mass2 character, I'd like to know it since I'm playing that and still found no use for Thane.
Legion, Garrus and Zaeed all can fill Thane's sniping roles (Legion even has a Widow for crying out loud), and Miri provides the warp with Slam and Overload to boot, further, shredder ammo (+80% bonus vs health) is useless in a difficulty where health is virtually neglectible and your real problem is tearing down enemy shields/barriers/armors and when there are better ammo that fit the same job (AP ammo: +70% vs health + armor, Warp ammo:+50% vs health + barriers + armor and Inferno ammo: +60% vs health + DoT effect + armor).

So... yeah. How again is Thane oh so useful on higher difficulties? He's almost as useful as Jack (she at least has an ammo power that does something against enemy defences - which are the biggest obstacles to overcome in defeating an enemy), and that isn't all that much...

Now, I don't hate him, but I don't worship him either, he kind of feels like Garrus felt in Mass1, the cool guy you should want to hang out with (still prefered Wrex), only, this one has an background story, but other than that... typical female fanservice guy whose sole purpose is to sit tight and look pretty... well, as pretty as a bipedal leatherly-skinned lizard wearing leather-like clothes can anyway... And before anyone mentions Miranda to counteract, the woman brought Shepard back from the dead, has the two most useful abilities in the whole game (overload and warp) and actually can play a pivotal role in the suicide mission.

rant over, flame away.

Modifié par DarkLord_PT, 04 mars 2010 - 06:24 .

[Noilly Prat]

I didn't use Thane much in my first playthrough, as I was a Sentinel and could handle my own throws and warps, thank you very much.



I used him quite a bit in my Vanguard playthrough, though. I believe I had him with in my squad during almost the entire suicide mission (shockwave and throw field are wonderful for getting hordes of charging husks out of the way).



In my first playthrough, I had him escort the crew back, and he did fine there. I guess anyone does though?

[Pedro Costa]

Noilly Prat wrote...
I used him quite a bit in my Vanguard playthrough, though. I believe I had him with in my squad during almost the entire suicide mission (shockwave and throw field are wonderful for getting hordes of charging husks out of the way).

As a fellow Vanguard, I think you'd be better of with Samara and getting Jack to hold the bubble, since Sam also has Throw and Area Reave, besides, Sapiens Justicar reduces her biotic cooldown, ergo, more throws and reaves. In the areas where husks appear a sniper isn't all that vital (my specialization is on SR, and I only use it on very situational occasions), so Thane becomes redundant, and indeed an inferior choice...

In my first playthrough, I had him escort the crew back, and he did fine there. I guess anyone does though?

Pretty much.

Modifié par DarkLord_PT, 04 mars 2010 - 06:37 .