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[Impala]

Every time I play through the game I do different variations of myself. By this I mean some runs I will be slightly more brutal than normal, and some runs I will be slightly more leniant. Even when I was at my most brutal (Killed Rachni Queen, killed cipher lady, didn't save council, etc) I can not actually get more renegade points than paragon. I have always gone with either the earthborn or colonist background as well with the Sole Survivor military history.

So..do you have to be a total **** to everyone you meet to get more renegade points than paragon?! I always end up being somewhat kind to my crew because I think of myself as a Nice to the good guys, cruel to the bad guys kinda guy. I think even though renegade was meant to be the "bad cop" option, it has become more of the "Total **** to every single person you meet option.

((I'm discounting the run where I was an **** to every single person I met. Just to show you how bad I was when Liara asked me about the relationship I said "eww you're an alien".

Modifié par Impala, 04 mars 2010 - 04:14 .

[Karstedt]

There are a few spots where Renegade simply means ruthless or unwilling to negotiate. But mostly it's about being a douche.

[Misterza]

Yeah, I tried a playthrough selecting only Renegade options. You just come across as an ****hole. I couldn't take it seriously. It was like something out of a comedy.

[Schneidend]

Just don't pick the options where you're a complete ass to people who don't deserve it. Use your own judgement instead of picking options based solely on whether they're Paragon or Renegade. My main Shepard is nice to the crew, most quarians, and comforts grieving mothers, and yet has still ended up about 90% Renegade and <30% Paragon.



Playing a "Renegade" character or a "Paragon" character simply isn't how the game was meant to be played. You end up looking like a completely naive chump or a total jerk. Choose real character traits for your Shepard like impatience or compassion and select dialogue options organically instead of relying on the game to pat you on the back for making the "right" decision.

[sedhrw]

I can't play as renegade solely because you're such a jerk to everyone, it just doesn't feel right. I'm surprised ME is like this since in KotoR you could still be completely evil yet be nice to your teammates. The same problem is evident in ME2 as well, not only ME1.

[Impala]

Yeah same...I always end up being Paragon even though i do a lot of "Renegade" things. I never go out of my way to harm people, but I rarely give people second chances and I don't let the bad guys get away alive. I also often end up choosing the middle option because both of the other options are too over the top.

[Goat_Shepard]

Impala wrote...

Every time I play through the game I do different variations of myself. By this I mean some runs I will be slightly more brutal than normal, and some runs I will be slightly more leniant. Even when I was at my most brutal (Killed Rachni Queen, killed cipher lady, didn't save council, etc) I can not actually get more renegade points than paragon. I have always gone with either the earthborn or colonist background as well with the Sole Survivor military history.

So..do you have to be a total **** to everyone you meet to get more renegade points than paragon?! I always end up being somewhat kind to my crew because I think of myself as a Nice to the good guys, cruel to the bad guys kinda guy. I think even though renegade was meant to be the "bad cop" option, it has become more of the "Total **** to every single person you meet option.

((I'm discounting the run where I was an **** to every single person I met. Just to show you how bad I was when Liara asked me about the relationship I said "eww you're an alien".

I find it funny cuz they're loyalty isn't affected by whether you treat them nice or not. I'm not sure and I'm probably wrong, but I don't think it matters with LI's either except during romance dialogue, THEN I am totally pissed off that Renegade = douchebag.  

Example: I loved being cool with Jack, had some awesome dialogue options. didn't lead her on or "pull the trigger" or anything, tried to be neutral. Then after I started romancing Tali, Jack says "You come down here a lot but you make other stops" and suddenly I'm forced to either reject Jack or Tali. I hit the neutral option and all I know is she wouldn't talk to me again. I guess Shepard's just so much of a stud he can't just be friends with the LI's :innocent:

[Qwepir]

Schneidend wrote...
most quarians

Most of one?

[sonsonthebia07]

I advise to all of you, even if you would never do the Renegade things, to do one full playthrough as Renegade (douche whenever possible) - if nothing for the laughs. It is even more hilarious in ME2. There is something about Meer's relatively monotonous voice that makes it even more hilarious that it already is.

Modifié par sonsonthebia07, 04 mars 2010 - 08:51 .

[Goat_Shepard]

sonsonthebia07 wrote...

I advise to all of you, even if you would never do the Renegade things, to do one full playthrough as Renegade (douche whenever possible) - if nothing for the laughs. It is even more hilarious in ME2. There is something about Meer's relatively monotonous voice that makes it even more hilarious that it already is.

Agreed. Nobody's canon Shepard is a full Renegade, the closest is Paragade or Renegon. To go full Renegade has to be for laughs. And Meer sounds monotone with SOME lines like "I need my crew to stay focused and keep their personal lives personal" that made me lol

[Gumbeaux Jr]

Not to mention that paragon is required to complete most of the planetary assignments (omega, citadel) from both ME1 and ME2. So if you are a completionist and are going for pure renegade, you always end up seeing the plus paragon and it always gets to me!

[Goat_Shepard]

Gumbeaux Jr wrote...

Not to mention that paragon is required to complete most of the planetary assignments (omega, citadel) from both ME1 and ME2. So if you are a completionist and are going for pure renegade, you always end up seeing the plus paragon and it always gets to me!

True, but ya don't exactly need to hit EVERY Renegade option to get max Renegade, especially if you import a character. I did that glitch on Noveria and got maximum Paragon and Renegade for my canon Shep, so I can go either way with ME2 and 3 

[Nezahoo]

ME is about either beinge a "good" cop or a "bad" cop.

noting more

[sonsonthebia07]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

Gumbeaux Jr wrote...

Not to mention that paragon is required to complete most of the planetary assignments (omega, citadel) from both ME1 and ME2. So if you are a completionist and are going for pure renegade, you always end up seeing the plus paragon and it always gets to me!

True, but ya don't exactly need to hit EVERY Renegade option to get max Renegade, especially if you import a character. I did that glitch on Noveria and got maximum Paragon and Renegade for my canon Shep, so I can go either way with ME2 and 3 

Unless your "big choices" in ME1 have a direct impact on ME3 (doubtful). Then you may wish to change them up.

[Zaxares]

The key is basically to know which decisions/dialogues are the BIG Renegade points and go for those. The rest of the 'little decisions' you make throughout the game for helping/snarking beggars, elcor diplomats, grief-stricken women etc. really don't make that much difference, so you could do little Paragon quests here and there and make Renegade decisions for the big moments and still end up with a full Renegade bar by the end of the game.



Some key places to hunt for big Renegade boosts (Warning! Contains LOADS of spoilers.)



Feros - Intimidate Jeong into supporting the colony. (24 points) Then render his decision moot by killing all the infected colonists. (24 points) Choose to execute Shiala. (24 points)

Noveria - Use Intimidate to convince Lorik to testify. (24 points) Then go tell Anoleis about Parasini and have them kill each other in a shoot-out. (24 points) "So much for testifying." Choose to kill the Rachni Queen. (24 points).

Virmire - Keep picking all the Intimidate options when you talk to Saren. (9 or 24 points. Unsure of which.)

Final Battle - Intimidate Saren into commiting suicide. (24 points) Choose to let the Council die. (24 points.)

[Fiery Phoenix]

^ What he said. You don't have to be an a**hole to your crew or anyone. That's the best way to go Renegade with a sense of realism, because pretty much every Renegade option other than the ones listed above just makes you look like a complete and reckless a**hole no matter what.

[Impala]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

^ What he said. You don't have to be an a**hole to your crew or anyone. That's the best way to go Renegade with a sense of realism, because pretty much every Renegade option other than the ones listed above just makes you look like a complete and reckless a**hole no matter what.

Haha basically all the suggestions he said for getting the big renegade points are **** decisions.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Impala wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

^ What he said. You don't have to be an a**hole to your crew or anyone. That's the best way to go Renegade with a sense of realism, because pretty much every Renegade option other than the ones listed above just makes you look like a complete and reckless a**hole no matter what.

Haha basically all the suggestions he said for getting the big renegade points are **** decisions.

Pretty much, but they're still necessary to do for a Renegade. However, you'd still make up for them by being nice/Paragon in every other situation. I was referring to how to be a Renegade while still being  a good/considerate character. I did it with my female way back in late 2008 and it seemed to work just fine.

[Wasara88]

being a jerk to your crew doesn't even grant any renegade points to you.and if you don't want to get any paragon points go with the safe "neutral" option and only in major decisions take the renegade path.That's how i do it. Even if i start a renegade playtrough i just can't be an A-hole to my crew. But now i have started a playthrough were i aim to make the most evil decisions and be a ruthless sob to everyone.

Modifié par Wasara88, 06 mars 2010 - 03:23 .

[N1nji]

Reviving an old thread but yea, I did tons of renegade actions but ended the game about maxed out in both renegade and paragon. My ME2 save labeled me as Paragon. I would consider that the perfect spectre, being able to be ruthless when the situation calls for it but not a needless murderer.  If your too evil you are no better than Saren and just as dangerous.  If your too good your actions could jeoperdize all races in council space.

Now I hear you can't level up charm or intimidate in ME2 which takes out the role playing forcing you to be an a-hole or an annoying goody goody?  

Modifié par N1nji, 06 avril 2010 - 03:54 .

[Varenus Luckmann]

Works relatively fine in Mass Effect 1. You can't pick every renegade option, no, but most options make sense.

In Mass Effect 2, it's straight-up kick-the-puppy evil, except for a few (hilarious) moments.

[N1nji]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

Works relatively fine in Mass Effect 1. You can't pick every renegade option, no, but most options make sense.

In Mass Effect 2, it's straight-up kick-the-puppy evil, except for a few (hilarious) moments.

Bleh, I havn't really gotten into it yet and this is really a huge turn off.  What made Mass Effect 1 awesome was the generally morally grey system.

There were situations where you could be kick the puppy evil but it wasn't the only way to get renegade points.  Really had nothing to do with being Renegade or Paragon for me, it was just choosing the option I would personally choose.  With my own logic and reasoning, rather than being forced into being evil(or good) in order to progress a usefull skill.

Modifié par N1nji, 06 avril 2010 - 04:19 .

[EliteRacer88]

Yes its possible i did it, my shepard has some freaking awesome looking scars and glowing eye's.

[Grunt420]

check this out



http://social.bioware.com/brc/1326930

[Canned Bullets]

Yeah, just do things that count, like telling that Elcor to run a Quarian out of business.