MacFarlane toys doing Mass Effect would be AMAZING.
Neca is a little shallow with articulation, to me. Honestly, IMHO, Neca doesn't make action figures, they make small plastic statues.
MacFarlane's Halo toys are amazing, if horrible in terms of repaint.
Take a look at the new Mass Effect figures coming soon
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#652
Posté 13 mars 2011 - 01:06
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MacFarlane would be aq good choice, I have only a couple of reservations about MacFarlane Toys, though:
I used to collect their Halo figures, and while the sculpting, painting, and articulation were all amazing, there was a noticeably high degree of broken or disfigured toys they were putting out, mainly due to how intricate the designs were (this was especially true for any of the Flood figures, and the Yana'me/Bug aliens).
However, I doubt that'd be much of an issue with ME, since while the characters are intricate in their own ways, aren't necessarily "fragile" in the sense of the characters above.
I used to collect their Halo figures, and while the sculpting, painting, and articulation were all amazing, there was a noticeably high degree of broken or disfigured toys they were putting out, mainly due to how intricate the designs were (this was especially true for any of the Flood figures, and the Yana'me/Bug aliens).
However, I doubt that'd be much of an issue with ME, since while the characters are intricate in their own ways, aren't necessarily "fragile" in the sense of the characters above.
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 07:51
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SE JN wrote...
MacFarlane toys doing Mass Effect would be AMAZING.
Neca is a little shallow with articulation, to me. Honestly, IMHO, Neca doesn't make action figures, they make small plastic statues.
MacFarlane's Halo toys are amazing, if horrible in terms of repaint.
Im sorry, but thats rubish, Mcfarlane have not done decent figure in years and the Halo one's, feel like flimsy childrens toys that a child would break in seconds ( will never forgive myself for buying the first series WTF was i thinking), NECA on the other hand produce outstanding sculpts with a good balance of articulation, and if you dont believe me look at the new Crysis 2 nano suit figure and any of the Predators,I wont deny their aliens requiem figures were a bit pants, but you should seriously check out their lates stuff
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I would snap up any Mass Effect figure from Neca in a heart Beat, on the contrary iwouldnt even look at a macfarlane figure
for that matter i loved Halo and would snap up any Halo figure Neca produced
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 07:52
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SE JN wrote...
MacFarlane toys doing Mass Effect would be AMAZING.
Neca is a little shallow with articulation, to me. Honestly, IMHO, Neca doesn't make action figures, they make small plastic statues.
MacFarlane's Halo toys are amazing, if horrible in terms of repaint.
Im sorry, but thats rubish, Mcfarlane have not done decent figure in years and the Halo one's, feel like flimsy childrens toys that a child would break in seconds ( will never forgive myself for buying the first series WTF was i thinking), NECA on the other hand produce outstanding sculpts with a good balance of articulation, and if you dont believe me look at the new Crysis 2 nano suit figure and any of the Predators,I wont deny their aliens requiem figures were a bit pants, but you should seriously check out their lates stuff
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I would snap up any Mass Effect figure from Neca in a heart Beat, on the contrary iwouldnt even look at a macfarlane figure
for that matter i loved Halo and would snap up any Halo figure Neca produced
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 06:00
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Surely a major flaw in marketing action figures to such a fanbase is that people are going to recreate some of the romance scenes...and create some of their own.
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 11:00
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Trickybam wrote...
SE JN wrote...
MacFarlane toys doing Mass Effect would be AMAZING.
Neca is a little shallow with articulation, to me. Honestly, IMHO, Neca doesn't make action figures, they make small plastic statues.
MacFarlane's Halo toys are amazing, if horrible in terms of repaint.
Im sorry, but thats rubish, Mcfarlane have not done decent figure in years and the Halo one's, feel like flimsy childrens toys that a child would break in seconds ( will never forgive myself for buying the first series WTF was i thinking), NECA on the other hand produce outstanding sculpts with a good balance of articulation, and if you dont believe me look at the new Crysis 2 nano suit figure and any of the Predators,I wont deny their aliens requiem figures were a bit pants, but you should seriously check out their lates stuff
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I would snap up any Mass Effect figure from Neca in a heart Beat, on the contrary iwouldnt even look at a macfarlane figure
for that matter i loved Halo and would snap up any Halo figure Neca produced
Exactly, are we even talking about the same companies? McF is the one doing statues (apart from Halo) and NECA doing actual ACTION FIGURES - Crysis, Gears of War, Dead Space (this one is one of the best!)
Oh and as fro Tali - guys why are you crying, as far as I know she WILL be made (poorly made imho) and BioWare will be done with DC Direct AFTER series 1. So unless u're mad about the Tali's quality, you should be happy
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 11:01
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Double post, sry
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 06:34
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NECA and McF both make a mix of articulated and statuesque figures. So you're both wrong.
NECA's are larger, available in fewer stores and are more expensive while McF's have been trending smaller, are available in more stores and are less expensive. The more expensive figures are more collector oriented, the smaller ones have some kid-friendliness to them. Both have some issues with customer service and quality. Paint quality is a wash. Plastic quality is a wash. It's also unclear who would go deeper into the lineups. They're both known for putting out a series of this and a series of that and not going any further with it.
Either should be a better choice than DC Unlimited.
Regardless, no matter which company you lean towards, touting your personal opinion about which company is better and how the other is wrong is ridiculous.
NECA's are larger, available in fewer stores and are more expensive while McF's have been trending smaller, are available in more stores and are less expensive. The more expensive figures are more collector oriented, the smaller ones have some kid-friendliness to them. Both have some issues with customer service and quality. Paint quality is a wash. Plastic quality is a wash. It's also unclear who would go deeper into the lineups. They're both known for putting out a series of this and a series of that and not going any further with it.
Either should be a better choice than DC Unlimited.
Regardless, no matter which company you lean towards, touting your personal opinion about which company is better and how the other is wrong is ridiculous.
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 07:06
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Actually...no. It's just basic facts. If you look at the current McF which basically doesn't do anything else apart from Halo & Sport Pics than -> Halo (articulation, small) and Sport (Statues - show me 1 sport McF fig with articulation). Even like 10 years ago when McF was at it's best they were doing "action figures" with - yes, let's not be afraid to say it - useless articulation. NECA was at the very same point however they had poorer quality.
And than what happened? Suddenly McF took Halo, stopped making movie figures and characters from other games, while NECA continued the run for movie & game characters all the while upgrading their quality and articulation.
As of now, each NECA figure has more articulation than any McF figure - apart from Halo which should be compared more like to G.I.Joe than to NECA's products.
Just basic facts. Not that I'd hate McF to do it. I'd love it, as I wouldn't mind a lovely sculpted McF statue-like "action figure" from Mass Effect....ehhh....Mordin....
And than what happened? Suddenly McF took Halo, stopped making movie figures and characters from other games, while NECA continued the run for movie & game characters all the while upgrading their quality and articulation.
As of now, each NECA figure has more articulation than any McF figure - apart from Halo which should be compared more like to G.I.Joe than to NECA's products.
Just basic facts. Not that I'd hate McF to do it. I'd love it, as I wouldn't mind a lovely sculpted McF statue-like "action figure" from Mass Effect....ehhh....Mordin....
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 08:42
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They make lower-end, super-articulated sports figures. They're called Playmakers and they've put them out for Baseball, Football and coming this fall/winter, NHL. Not ultra-detailed, but highly-articulated and definitely designed more for the kids at a price that keeps them affordable.
They're also going to be making Walking Dead figures (comics AND show), with articulation, and zombies that can come apart to make them look dismembered. Some of those parts may be swappable on other zombies. They will also be a bit smaller.
You want to know why McF stopped going after film figures and most game figures? Because they transitioned into a more mass-market manufacturer. Doesn't mean they can't make something that WM and Target won't buy, but it also means that they've got an avenue if those stores want to carry the figures. NECA doesn't have that.
The point is, the two companies have different focuses and either would be good for ME figures regardless of whether they fit your or my ideal.
You can try to spin whatever you want to support your position. That's your prerogative. But don't bust out a "basic facts" argument unless you're going to look at facts on both sides of the argument. The upcoming Ghostface will not sport a ton of articulation. The Alex Mercer didn't. The Lara Crofts didn't. And let's be honest, outside of Gears what lines has NECA made that have gone beyond a Series 2 with and contained more than 3 figures per line that were all part of the same license? Hellraiser. And that was practically their first line.
Basic facts... good one. Easy to talk about facts when you pick the ones you like, disregard the ones you don't and call some things fact when they're fiction.
We don't know what either would do with the properties or what the trade-offs will be. We also don't know what the realistic interest is from retailers. I think either will do better than DC did, though.
I could go either way.
They're also going to be making Walking Dead figures (comics AND show), with articulation, and zombies that can come apart to make them look dismembered. Some of those parts may be swappable on other zombies. They will also be a bit smaller.
You want to know why McF stopped going after film figures and most game figures? Because they transitioned into a more mass-market manufacturer. Doesn't mean they can't make something that WM and Target won't buy, but it also means that they've got an avenue if those stores want to carry the figures. NECA doesn't have that.
The point is, the two companies have different focuses and either would be good for ME figures regardless of whether they fit your or my ideal.
You can try to spin whatever you want to support your position. That's your prerogative. But don't bust out a "basic facts" argument unless you're going to look at facts on both sides of the argument. The upcoming Ghostface will not sport a ton of articulation. The Alex Mercer didn't. The Lara Crofts didn't. And let's be honest, outside of Gears what lines has NECA made that have gone beyond a Series 2 with and contained more than 3 figures per line that were all part of the same license? Hellraiser. And that was practically their first line.
Basic facts... good one. Easy to talk about facts when you pick the ones you like, disregard the ones you don't and call some things fact when they're fiction.
We don't know what either would do with the properties or what the trade-offs will be. We also don't know what the realistic interest is from retailers. I think either will do better than DC did, though.
I could go either way.
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 09:27
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Oh please. I have a great deal of idea of what's what on the "action figures" market. Sure, Play Makers will be articulated yet they are still 4" tall which makes them "sporty-G.I.Joe".
As for The Walking Dead - sorry but I do not see a whole lot of possibilities of positioning here:
http://www.cooltoyre...ane/image40.asp
or here:
http://www.cooltoyre...ane/image36.asp
As for Zombies:
http://www.cooltoyre...ane/image34.asp - notice - no lower body parts articulation. Improvement? Sure. Does it really make a huge difference compared to their other figures? Not so much.
You're right on Ghostface (which sucks imho) or Alex Mercer. Same could be said for Sam Fisher which was a big disappointment. On the other hand they made Crysis, Duke Nukem and BulletStorm. Not to mention their next Predator which - yes, judging by the proto from the Toy Fair - holds both quality and articulation.
HOWEVER
while you're pointing out that I am the one picking facts - you sure as hell pick examples fitting your own arguments.
Yes, Gears of War is most probably the best line (in terms of figures produced) from NECA however they did also make couple series of Pirates of the Caribbean, already mentioned Hellraiser, Predators, or Resident Evil. And while you pointed out that it's their only line (apart from Hellraiser, which you mentioned) with more than 2 series, you failed to point out that the same thing goes to McF and their Halo lines (I am not counting the whole sport figures, as they are something completly different).
And while I can understand changing the target market by one company or the other, I am still capable to evaluate these decisions and simply put - say what would be good/bad imo in terms of the next company to hold the ME license.
Judging by McF's recent decisions regarding their products, I would not be happy to see tiny 4" articulated figures for my son, if the alternative would be NECA's 7" articulated figures.
If however we'd be to get the classic take from McF - semi-articulated figures - I'd be all over it.
As for The Walking Dead - sorry but I do not see a whole lot of possibilities of positioning here:
http://www.cooltoyre...ane/image40.asp
or here:
http://www.cooltoyre...ane/image36.asp
As for Zombies:
http://www.cooltoyre...ane/image34.asp - notice - no lower body parts articulation. Improvement? Sure. Does it really make a huge difference compared to their other figures? Not so much.
You're right on Ghostface (which sucks imho) or Alex Mercer. Same could be said for Sam Fisher which was a big disappointment. On the other hand they made Crysis, Duke Nukem and BulletStorm. Not to mention their next Predator which - yes, judging by the proto from the Toy Fair - holds both quality and articulation.
HOWEVER
while you're pointing out that I am the one picking facts - you sure as hell pick examples fitting your own arguments.
Yes, Gears of War is most probably the best line (in terms of figures produced) from NECA however they did also make couple series of Pirates of the Caribbean, already mentioned Hellraiser, Predators, or Resident Evil. And while you pointed out that it's their only line (apart from Hellraiser, which you mentioned) with more than 2 series, you failed to point out that the same thing goes to McF and their Halo lines (I am not counting the whole sport figures, as they are something completly different).
And while I can understand changing the target market by one company or the other, I am still capable to evaluate these decisions and simply put - say what would be good/bad imo in terms of the next company to hold the ME license.
Judging by McF's recent decisions regarding their products, I would not be happy to see tiny 4" articulated figures for my son, if the alternative would be NECA's 7" articulated figures.
If however we'd be to get the classic take from McF - semi-articulated figures - I'd be all over it.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 02:54
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I used to be down on McFarlane too, but then they released that amazing 12" Master Chief. Also the Warthog is great.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 06:12
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NECA does amazing things with the Ninja Gaiden II, Dante's Inferno, Dead Space 2 and Bioshock figures. The articulation tends to be very well hidden in the sculpts of the figures. They are the ones I'd love to have make Mass Effect and Dragon Age.
I've gotten ahold of the DAO figures from DC Direct and they're pretty decent, they tend to have more articulation than the similarly priced DCD comic book figures, so I'm pretty psyched to get ahold of Shepard and Tali when they become available.
I've gotten ahold of the DAO figures from DC Direct and they're pretty decent, they tend to have more articulation than the similarly priced DCD comic book figures, so I'm pretty psyched to get ahold of Shepard and Tali when they become available.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 09:05
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What about Hot Toys? They make really good detailed figures too, though a bit on the expensive side.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 09:33
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What about Hot Toys? They make really good detailed figures too, though a bit on the expensive side.
No please... a single HT action doll costs at least like 2 sets of normal action figures... plus they're not always good with aliens... they did something like 2 on 10 Predators figure done decently for example.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 01:39
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NukaN7 wrote...
And while I can understand changing the target market by one company or the other, I am still capable to evaluate these decisions and simply put - say what would be good/bad imo in terms of the next company to hold the ME license.
Judging by McF's recent decisions regarding their products, I would not be happy to see tiny 4" articulated figures for my son, if the alternative would be NECA's 7" articulated figures.
If however we'd be to get the classic take from McF - semi-articulated figures - I'd be all over it.
Yes, PotC. You could also have said Harry Potter, though they went from 4 figures a line to 3 figures a line.
McF's transitioned to mostly 5" figures, not 4" and your consistent need to lump them in with the 3 3/4" Joes shows that you don't have any real appreciation or value for their product. And that's your call. But it's still ridiculous. As for NECA, they make things on both sides of 1/12th scale and some at 1/10.28 scale so there's a lack of consistent scale. If they can avoid any issues with scale like they have in the Gears line, that would be great.
I'd like figures from either company, but let's call it what it is, a wash between the two as either can produce fantastic items which is what I've been saying the entire time. Each with their own set of strengths and caveats. Either way, i think we win.
If you really wanted to make a strong NECA argument, it would make sense to point out that NECA is more equipped to do more than just figures as their business model runs on all the SWAG that the Bioware store loves to sell to drive profits and a better ROI for the licensor. Shirts, Hoodies, Hats, Wallets, Pendants, Keychains, etc. and if anything that's what this likely gets decided on.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 02:54
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Ok, 5", I consistently make'em smaller because for me, everything smaller than 6" is pretty much small-toy. Action figure - but small-toy, small enough to be easily breakable.
As for NECA's lack of consistent scale - well, personally I don't find it annoying, doesn't bother me at all as I do not make any kind of dioramas.
And lastly - I didn't take out the "NECA's Apparel" argument because I wasn't actually making an argument on why NECA is superior to McF and why NECA should be chosen - I was talking about how NECA makes action figures in terms of actual "action" and quality, while McF makes either excelent figures that are more statues than "action figures" (but with high quality) or fully pose-able action figures that are small and lack the quality. That's it.
In the end I'd be equally happy - same as you - with NECA and McF, provided McF was not to make small articulated figures.
As for NECA's lack of consistent scale - well, personally I don't find it annoying, doesn't bother me at all as I do not make any kind of dioramas.
And lastly - I didn't take out the "NECA's Apparel" argument because I wasn't actually making an argument on why NECA is superior to McF and why NECA should be chosen - I was talking about how NECA makes action figures in terms of actual "action" and quality, while McF makes either excelent figures that are more statues than "action figures" (but with high quality) or fully pose-able action figures that are small and lack the quality. That's it.
In the end I'd be equally happy - same as you - with NECA and McF, provided McF was not to make small articulated figures.
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 03:42
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sounds to me like you're trying to label what you want as an action figure and what you don't as a small toy
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 08:47
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ummmm no. Action figures -> Action -> as if something is happening, something can be done (with a figure in this case)
NECA - posable action figures (for example Gears of War).
McF - non posable (or very limited posability) figures (for example The Walking Dead - Rick Grimes) AND fully posable action figures (and small toys at the same time - for example Halo).
NECA - posable action figures (for example Gears of War).
McF - non posable (or very limited posability) figures (for example The Walking Dead - Rick Grimes) AND fully posable action figures (and small toys at the same time - for example Halo).
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Posté 15 mars 2011 - 11:24
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The human Walking Dead figures are 5" and are supposed to have 14-18 POA. What you're seeing is the first digital sculpt. That's not even the head they're going to be using.
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Posté 16 mars 2011 - 05:23
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Actually no, it is the correct headsculpt, they will be doing both the comic AND tv version of him. Besides he was just an example, like Alien Warrior:
http://spawn.com/fea...rior.specs.html 13 points of useless articulation. I know. I own him.
http://spawn.com/fea...rior.specs.html 13 points of useless articulation. I know. I own him.
