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[jlb524]

Tali's dead, people, dead!!!!!

[SuperZombieChow]

lorderon99999 wrote...

SuperZombieChow wrote...

You still haven't figured it out yet? SHEPARD is the traitor. His mind was taken over by the reapers the first time he touched a Prothean beacon. No matter what choices you made, ME3 will end with Shepard laughing maniacally as he hands over the galaxy to his reaper overlords.

Well that would be unexpected....but not really Epic

It was sarcasm. If Bioware did that it would be the ultimate bail out, the kind of non-ending that the internet rage machine thrives on.

IF there is a traitor, my money would be on Liara. And she would think she has a good reason. Why? She's the only character who is guaranteed to still be alive.

[lorderon99999]

Busomjack wrote...

I don't know if I would consider somebody being indoctrinated as a traitor. Treason requires a free will which is antithetical to indoctrination.
If Tali, or Garrus were to be indoctrinated, I would consider them victims, not traitors.

I think a great theme for Mass Effect 3 would be Shepard struggling with indoctrination. The player can do a mission where he thinks he's stopping the Reapers but in the end he realizes he was playing right into their hands and actually helping them.

Did you feel Saren was a victim?

And even if they were a victime....killing them would be even more painful

Modifié par lorderon99999, 04 mars 2010 - 06:42 .

[Sikayda]

Vamp44 wrote...

What this game needs more then a traitor is...

....more:

*Thumbs up* YES!*Thumbs up*

[Blameless77]

Anyone who could be dead from ME1 or ME2 couldn't be a traitor in ME3. Additionally, any traitor would pretty much have to be indoctrinated, because no rational individual would help the reapers regardless of what they promised since they plan to wipe out ALL organic life.



I don't really think the traitor model fits the way the ME3 arc is looking to shape up. From the last scene of ME2 it looked as though the Reapers were through with subtlety and stand ready to use pure brute force to accomplish their ends.

[shinobi602]

lorderon99999 wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I don't know if I would consider somebody being indoctrinated as a traitor. Treason requires a free will which is antithetical to indoctrination.
If Tali, or Garrus were to be indoctrinated, I would consider them victims, not traitors.

I think a great theme for Mass Effect 3 would be Shepard struggling with indoctrination. The player can do a mission where he thinks he's stopping the Reapers but in the end he realizes he was playing right into their hands and actually helping them.

Did you feel Saren was a victim?

Somewhat, yes. Sovereign was pretty much in control of him practically.

Sure, he was an ass before Sovereign, doesn't change that he was indoctrinated come ME1.

[klossen4]

indoctrination makes you a victim relly saren was just a renegade before he was indoctrinated i mean you can let a bunch of civilians die during zaeds loyalty mission.

Modifié par klossen4, 04 mars 2010 - 06:46 .

[Busomjack]

Darht Jayder wrote...

Tali could still concievably be a traitor for two reasons.....if you betrayed her confidence about her father to the admiralty board and for activating Legion.

I think Tali's personality would prevent her from dong anything too evil.  She's simply too sweet and kind hearted.

I think at worst she will either not join you or only join you reluctantly in Mass Effect 3.  Tali is probably the least morally ambiguous character in Mass Effect 2.

[epoch_]

Tali as the one who ultimately betrays Shepard would be absolutely hysterical. I would drop dead right there from laughter.

[Busomjack]

Saren was a victim but it wasn't as easy to sympathize with him because he was an extreme anti-human xenophobe and wanted to destroy humanity before becoming indoctrinated.  I think it was because his brother died during the first contact war.

Garrus and Tali on the other hand are good people and I would certainly feel sorry for them if they became indoctrinated.

One way or another, I think indoctrination should play a role in Mass Effect 3. It would be great because you wouldn't know who to trust around you. Every friend could be your enemy and you may not even be able to trust yourself.

Remember, Saren himself didn't even realize he was being indoctrinated.

Modifié par Busomjack, 04 mars 2010 - 06:47 .

[RUDAL]

Well, to be hopnest I wouldn't mind a nice traitor/betrayal twist a la Neverwinter Nights. Something like when Fenthick Moss was called traitor and sent to death and Aribeth suddenly from good character turned to all bad ass. I always enjoyed stories when something done to one person makes someone else to turn your world upsidedown

[Schneidend]

A traitor wouldn't make sense. Your enemy in the third game will be the reapers. What could possibly be worth betraying Shepard and damning all organic life for? Unless one were indoctrinated, but then that destroys the entire point of a betrayal story. There's no emotional impact if it wasn't the traitor's choice.

[epoch_]

TiM is the obvious answer.

[lorderon99999]

Schneidend wrote...

A traitor wouldn't make sense. Your enemy in the third game will be the reapers. What could possibly be worth betraying Shepard and damning all organic life for? Unless one were indoctrinated, but then that destroys the entire point of a betrayal story. There's no emotional impact if it wasn't the traitor's choice.

you would'nt have a emotional impact when killing garrus or tali because they are indoctrinated? Even f they are victim....you would be ****ing ****** to not be able to convince them to come back...and killing them in order to save the galaxy or something

[Arelyte]

lorderon99999 wrote...

I think traitors like Yoshimo from BG2 brings a lot of emotions and OMFG feeling....do you think a traitorous crew member would be cool? If yes who?

I think a good traitor would be Miranda...she works for Cerebus and we all know TIM is going to betray us

What do you think?

You clearly didn't take her along to the final battle. She resigns from Cerberus.

[Pythonicus]

People are right to say that none of the current ME2 squad could be traitors as any of them could well be dead. A good traitor would be someone from both games that Shepard trusts that hasn't given him reason to doubt their loyalty. Only one person that I can think of fits that description.



Captain/Counselor Anderson



Puts a lump in my throat just thinking about it.

[Big Yam]

Jacob Taylor could grow a backbone and make a moral decision that differs from yours. He would be a good traitor.

[Schneidend]

lorderon99999 wrote...
you would'nt have a emotional impact when killing garrus or tali because they are indoctrinated? Even f they are victim....you would be ****ing ****** to not be able to convince them to come back...and killing them in order to save the galaxy or something

That would be stupid. The only emotional impact that would have on me would be rage, at Bioware.

Also, it takes days of reaper exposure to become indoctrinated, so it'd be simply poor writing for Garrus or Tali to suddenly be indoctrinated.

[Geth Knight]

It will be Scruffy. The janitor!

[epoch_]

Pythonicus wrote...

People are right to say that none of the current ME2 squad could be traitors as any of them could well be dead. A good traitor would be someone from both games that Shepard trusts that hasn't given him reason to doubt their loyalty. Only one person that I can think of fits that description.

Captain/Counselor Anderson

Puts a lump in my throat just thinking about it.

[lorderon99999]

Pythonicus wrote...

People are right to say that none of the current ME2 squad could be traitors as any of them could well be dead. A good traitor would be someone from both games that Shepard trusts that hasn't given him reason to doubt their loyalty. Only one person that I can think of fits that description.

Captain/Counselor Anderson

Puts a lump in my throat just thinking about it.

This would be epic....and I can already see some reason on why he would...maybe not to help the reaper..but for other motif...like us helping Cerebus...starting to believe reaper don't exsist etc..

[RUDAL]

jlb524 wrote...

If this betrayal is a big part of the plot, the traitor can't be an ME2 squad mate as they can all die in ME2. It also couldn't be the Council (all possibly dead at the end of ME1). It would have to be a new character, or someone who's survived both games like Udina.

Good for you mate, never thought of that. Udina is an almost perfect for that role and I would really love to kick his arse.

[ShadyKat]

It has one, Legion.

[expanding panic]

Geth Knight wrote...

expanding panic wrote...

I know a lot of people probably won't like this but I think it would be cool to have a traitor. I think that the traitor will be Legion. First because we had to fight geth in the first game. Second it because he just comes out of no where and we accept everything he tells us to be the truth. But if you think about it he would be the ultimate traitor. He an AI, he has no feeling. He could kill his own people without hesitation or remorse. I like Legion to and I think that would give the most surprised feeling. Better then having a new character from ME3 to do it.

Tha's true about EDI but she was built by Cerebus, who wants to she Shepherd succeed seeing how it would be best for humans if the reapers are stopped. Maybe the reapers want Shepherd alive for someone reason. And all we know is that Legion said that it was a virus that was reversed we don't know that for sure. And Legion is a geth if he does die he could be re-built right? If it would be a Mass Effect 2 character I think he is the logical choice.


Using that logic about AI, the same could be said about EDI being a traitor. I believe Legion and dont see him as being the type to trick Shepard. If he hated Shepard and wanted him dead, he would have killed Shepard right there and then. Not ask Shepard for help in reprograming the heretics.

[Collider]

I don't think Legion would turn on Shepard unless he did something against the Geth. I think the most likely to turn on Shepard would be Samara if Shepard does stuff she disagrees with or Zaeed if he is hired to kill Shepard.