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Geth Knight wrote...

I still think a female turian would be a great traitor.

How about Saren's or Nihilus's daughter.

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If this betrayal is a big part of the plot, the traitor can't be an ME2 squad mate as they can all die in ME2. It also couldn't be the Council (all possibly dead at the end of ME1). It would have to be a new character, or someone who's survived both games like Udina.


Good for you mate, never thought of that. Udina is an almost perfect for that role and I would really love to kick his arse.


Wouldn't be all that surprising though as he already betrayed Shepard once before

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I would rather see something along the lines of Ashley/Kaidan being named a Spectre and being told to bring you in for a trial and you either have to convince them to help you, comply with them, or kill them.

Not that a traitor would be a bad idea, but who would it be? I just can't see many of the characters doing that to you, barring indoctrination or something like that.

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I don't think Legion would turn on Shepard unless he did something against the Geth. I think the most likely to turn on Shepard would be Samara if Shepard does stuff she disagrees with or Zaeed if he is hired to kill Shepard.

IMO, I think Legion makes the most sense. For all we know he's been lying to us since we first met him. Plus we have no evidence that the Reapers will even destroy the Geth, since their war is with organics.

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ShadyKat wrote...

Geth Knight wrote...

I still think a female turian would be a great traitor.

How about Saren's or Nihilus's daughter.


Saren's unknown daughter would have more against Shepard than Nihilus' unknown daughter.

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I don't want the traitor to be someone who the player has no chance of even figuring out might be a traitor.
Tali as a traitor would be a bad idea because there is absolutely nothing about her that might suggest she is one. We know too much about Tali and we know she couldn't possibly betray Shepard.
Legion on the other hand is still a bit of a mystery, he would make a great traitor in Mass Effect 3. In fact, I'm thinking he may even be Mass Effect 3's main antagonist.


That would be freaking epic....the only problem is that he can die in ME2


Technically he can't die his platform can be destoryed, but he could always get a new one since the geth body's are platform's and they can download themselves into new platform's. All he would have to do is send every part of himself via FTL network, it's possible he could do that even if his platform his destoryed, cause TIM contacts you I assume via the FTL network when inside the Collector base.

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Shadowrun1177 wrote...

lorderon99999 wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I don't want the traitor to be someone who the player has no chance of even figuring out might be a traitor.
Tali as a traitor would be a bad idea because there is absolutely nothing about her that might suggest she is one. We know too much about Tali and we know she couldn't possibly betray Shepard.
Legion on the other hand is still a bit of a mystery, he would make a great traitor in Mass Effect 3. In fact, I'm thinking he may even be Mass Effect 3's main antagonist.


That would be freaking epic....the only problem is that he can die in ME2


Technically he can't die his platform can be destoryed, but he could always get a new one since the geth body's are platform's and they can download themselves into new platform's. All he would have to do is send every part of himself via FTL network, it's possible he could do that even if his platform his destoryed, cause TIM contacts you I assume via the FTL network when inside the Collector base.


There was no carrier. That would be the geth equivalent of death. I dont see any ME2 squad, Ash, or Kaiden being the traitor. It will be either someone new or 1 of 2 people who has survived all three games:

Udina
Dr. Chakwas

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KnotEngaged wrote...

I would rather see something along the lines of Ashley/Kaidan being named a Spectre and being told to bring you in for a trial and you either have to convince them to help you, comply with them, or kill them.
Not that a traitor would be a bad idea, but who would it be? I just can't see many of the characters doing that to you, barring indoctrination or something like that.

This is an awesome idea.

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Well, if you think of Shepard as, oh. . .say, a shepherd in the metaphorical sense who was resurrected in a very real sense, and then you think about the fact that he has twelve disciples squad members, you might be able to reach that conclusion.

I'm jes' sayin'.

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ShadyKat wrote...

Collider wrote...

I don't think Legion would turn on Shepard unless he did something against the Geth. I think the most likely to turn on Shepard would be Samara if Shepard does stuff she disagrees with or Zaeed if he is hired to kill Shepard.

IMO, I think Legion makes the most sense. For all we know he's been lying to us since we first met him. Plus we have no evidence that the Reapers will even destroy the Geth, since their war is with organics.

The best traitors though are the one's you least expect.  It should be someone Shepard has wronged in the past but has still given the illusion to Shepard that he/she can be trusted and would have something to gain out of said betrayal.

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Bercilak de Hautdesert wrote...

Well, if you think of Shepard as, oh. . .say, a shepherd in the metaphorical sense who was resurrected in a very real sense, and then you think about the fact that he has twelve disciples squad members, you might be able to reach that conclusion.

I'm jes' sayin'.



Shepard is not Jesus. No matter how much of a Messiah he looks like or acts. That's silly talk.

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I actually thought about this as well. I imagined, originally, Garrus's entire loyalty quest was a clever foreshadowing for this very sort of thing and that one of the crew was going to pull a Sidonis, but it never happened.

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Shadowrun1177 wrote...

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I don't want the traitor to be someone who the player has no chance of even figuring out might be a traitor.
Tali as a traitor would be a bad idea because there is absolutely nothing about her that might suggest she is one. We know too much about Tali and we know she couldn't possibly betray Shepard.
Legion on the other hand is still a bit of a mystery, he would make a great traitor in Mass Effect 3. In fact, I'm thinking he may even be Mass Effect 3's main antagonist.


That would be freaking epic....the only problem is that he can die in ME2


Technically he can't die his platform can be destoryed, but he could always get a new one since the geth body's are platform's and they can download themselves into new platform's. All he would have to do is send every part of himself via FTL network, it's possible he could do that even if his platform his destoryed, cause TIM contacts you I assume via the FTL network when inside the Collector base.


If you have Legion on last mission and he dies he is trying to do something like that and he says something like he is not abble to connect with network (don't remember sorry) or something like that

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Saren is the Illusive Man.

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Miranda wouldnt make sense as a traitor becaause in the end, if you take her with you to fight the reaper, and you decide to destroy the base, the illusive man will tell her to stop Shepard and save the base. She quits Cerberus there so she can remain loyal to you.
I think Kaiden/Ashley might join up and betray you. On Horizon (s)he clearly gets frozen by the swarms but then  comes to talk to you.

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Here's the twist ME3 needs:

In the end we find out that this was all just an elaborate fantasy being played out in the mind of some guy on LSD.

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Bann Duncan wrote...

lorderon99999 wrote...

I think traitors like Yoshimo from BG2 brings a lot of emotions and OMFG feeling....do you think a traitorous crew member would be cool? If yes who?

I think a good traitor would be Miranda...she works for Cerebus and we all know TIM is going to betray us

What do you think?


Thanks for the BG2 spoiler. I just started it. :(


Haha no worries though.


That sucks...

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Geth Knight wrote...

Bercilak de Hautdesert wrote...

Well, if you think of Shepard as, oh. . .say, a shepherd in the metaphorical sense who was resurrected in a very real sense, and then you think about the fact that he has twelve disciples squad members, you might be able to reach that conclusion.

I'm jes' sayin'.



Shepard is not Jesus. No matter how much of a Messiah he looks like or acts. That's silly talk.


Oh yeah. . . ?

The Commander is my Shepard; I shall not die.

He maketh me to lie down with Miranda Lawson:
He leadeth me beside the dead Reapers.
He increaseth my level:
He leadeth me in the paths of Paragon for His name's sake.
 
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the planet Tarith, I will fear no evil: For thou art with me;
Thy gun and thy armor, they comfort me. 

Thou preparest a grenade before me in the presence of mine enemies;
Thou protectest my head with barrier; My heat clip runneth over.
 
Surely gethness and Kelly shall follow me all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the House of the Shepard forever.

See?  Proof positive!  ;)

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Well I've heard theories that someone planted a transmitter on the Normandy, which is why it was found by the collector ship at the beginning of the game, if that turns out to be true it would mean there was a traitor



I however simply believe the stealth systems didn't work because the collectors have more advanced technology

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Commander Shepard wrote...

Miranda wouldnt make sense as a traitor becaause in the end, if you take her with you to fight the reaper, and you decide to destroy the base, the illusive man will tell her to stop Shepard and save the base. She quits Cerberus there so she can remain loyal to you.
I think Kaiden/Ashley might join up and betray you. On Horizon (s)he clearly gets frozen by the swarms but then  comes to talk to you.

That's a good point. Kaiden/Ashley do become mysteriously un-frozen. However, the truth is that Kaiden is actually Saren and Ashley is actually Sovereign. That's why they were so chummy in the first game. Whoever you Virmire'd actually transmogrified into a flying teli-tubby and escaped unharmed.

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RUDAL wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

lorderon99999 wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I don't want the traitor to be someone who the player has no chance of even figuring out might be a traitor.
Tali as a traitor would be a bad idea because there is absolutely nothing about her that might suggest she is one. We know too much about Tali and we know she couldn't possibly betray Shepard.
Legion on the other hand is still a bit of a mystery, he would make a great traitor in Mass Effect 3. In fact, I'm thinking he may even be Mass Effect 3's main antagonist.


That would be freaking epic....the only problem is that he can die in ME2


Technically he can't die his platform can be destoryed, but he could always get a new one since the geth body's are platform's and they can download themselves into new platform's. All he would have to do is send every part of himself via FTL network, it's possible he could do that even if his platform his destoryed, cause TIM contacts you I assume via the FTL network when inside the Collector base.


If you have Legion on last mission and he dies he is trying to do something like that and he says something like he is not abble to connect with network (don't remember sorry) or something like that


Didn't know that never had him die during any of my suicide run's.

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Bercilak de Hautdesert wrote...

Geth Knight wrote...

Bercilak de Hautdesert wrote...

Well, if you think of Shepard as, oh. . .say, a shepherd in the metaphorical sense who was resurrected in a very real sense, and then you think about the fact that he has twelve disciples squad members, you might be able to reach that conclusion.

I'm jes' sayin'.



Shepard is not Jesus. No matter how much of a Messiah he looks like or acts. That's silly talk.


Oh yeah. . . ?

The Commander is my Shepard; I shall not die.

He maketh me to lie down with Miranda Lawson:
He leadeth me beside the dead Reapers.
He increaseth my level:
He leadeth me in the paths of Paragon for His name's sake.
 
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the planet Tarith, I will fear no evil: For thou art with me;
Thy gun and thy armor, they comfort me. 

Thou preparest a grenade before me in the presence of mine enemies;
Thou protectest my head with barrier; My heat clip runneth over.
 
Surely gethness and Kelly shall follow me all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the House of the Shepard forever.

See?  Proof positive!  ;)


Haha!

I must say that truly is impressive.

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Shadowrun1177 wrote...

RUDAL wrote...

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

lorderon99999 wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

I don't want the traitor to be someone who the player has no chance of even figuring out might be a traitor.
Tali as a traitor would be a bad idea because there is absolutely nothing about her that might suggest she is one. We know too much about Tali and we know she couldn't possibly betray Shepard.
Legion on the other hand is still a bit of a mystery, he would make a great traitor in Mass Effect 3. In fact, I'm thinking he may even be Mass Effect 3's main antagonist.


That would be freaking epic....the only problem is that he can die in ME2


Technically he can't die his platform can be destoryed, but he could always get a new one since the geth body's are platform's and they can download themselves into new platform's. All he would have to do is send every part of himself via FTL network, it's possible he could do that even if his platform his destoryed, cause TIM contacts you I assume via the FTL network when inside the Collector base.


If you have Legion on last mission and he dies he is trying to do something like that and he says something like he is not abble to connect with network (don't remember sorry) or something like that


Didn't know that never had him die during any of my suicide run's.


He can die on Normandy then he says nothing  :lol: or on Collectors Base and then he says that line.

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Pythonicus wrote...

People are right to say that none of the current ME2 squad could be traitors as any of them could well be dead. A good traitor would be someone from both games that Shepard trusts that hasn't given him reason to doubt their loyalty. Only one person that I can think of fits that description.

Captain/Counselor Anderson

Puts a lump in my throat just thinking about it.


I've said this for a while now, that would be epic deep.. And I'd so kill Anderson out of anger if that happens.

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Collider wrote...

I don't think Legion would turn on Shepard unless he did something against the Geth. I think the most likely to turn on Shepard would be Samara if Shepard does stuff she disagrees with or Zaeed if he is hired to kill Shepard.


No Zaeed isn't some idiot and understands the bigger picture. Killing Shepard who is trying to stop the Reapers would be a stupid idea.