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[inversevideo]

LOLandStuff wrote...

It's his/her evil twin with the goatee shaved.

Good to see there are still ST fans out there!

'Mirror Mirror' is one of my favorites, and I enjoyed all of it's subsequent permutations across the franchise!

[inversevideo]

drew.winters wrote...

I think it's clear in-game that the writers consider revived-Shepherd to be the same Shepherd. Is the OP's question whether the writers think so, or whether this would be the case in the real world were the Lazarus project technology available?

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I think it depends on what the writers definition of 'same' is.

I have this feeling that they are playing fast and loose with that definition.
They are at least 'teasing' us, and perhaps challenging us to think about the issue; via the Cerberus news reports about 'President Huerta'; and in game, with the Shepard VI, plot thread.
A little socially engineered curiosity by 'BIOWARE;?

So okay, this is what I think is at the heart of things.

To a large extent, the whole series revolves around the concept of what it means to be sentient and/or alive, what it means to evolve, and the direction that evolution takes, and what it means when you meld the organic with the inorganic.

In ME1, Saren got implanted, and was a 'meld'; not so good for Saren, but bad things happen to bad people.

In ME2, Shepard gets implanted by Cerberus.  The opening movie, shows extensive implants, including two large hoop like objects in shepards 'brain pan' (go look and you will see what I mean).

While running around, after you wake, there are various laptops, that give little progress reports on the problems encountered on bringing you back. Including the deterioration of your brain, and the effects you suffered as a result of exposure.

And what an exposure!

 Shepard was dead. Ejected into space, went through re-entry, and it seems, from the video, that he began to glow on re-entry,  made planet fall, from orbit, at 32 feet per sec squared, which even if he fell from orbiting earth's moon, a body with far less gravity and no atmoshpher to worry about re-entry, to the lunar surface, s/he would leave an impact crater. Then there is the whole exposed to vacuum thing.

I don't think T.I.M has a pipeline to the creator, so turning Shep into 6 Billion Credit Man, or the Biotic Woman would mean being able to salvage Shep's brain. Which as we know, from the laptops at Lazarus, was not is good shape, there was deterioration.  

So how did they fix that? 

Miranda was concerned enough that she wanted to run extensive tests on your cognitive functions.

And there is the glowing skull just beneath the skin.

So is Shepard still Shepard?
Was Shepard somehow Cyloned, and downloaded?
Or for DollHouse fans, it would be like when Ballard was killed and they downloaded Ballard's memories into his body, which they 'dolled' for the purpose of fixing his damage and bringing him back. Ballard was Ballard, he felt the same, even though he was not, but he was.

See?

Depends on what the meaning of 'same' is.

What does it mean to say s/he is the same Shepard?

And how does that end for Shepard, when s/he figures out that Shepard is dead? But Shepard lives?

Doe s/he freak?

Side step the whole issue and 'love the one s/he's with'?

Does it change our world view, which is as I suspect is the goal, or at least to pose the question and make us think about it, of what the definition of life is?

I just don't put it past BIOWARE to pull something like this, hopefully, if that is the case, they pull it off well.

I don't think we will know, either way , until ME3.

But at some point, Shepard, 'in story', will need to start questioning just how Cerberus pulled off this miracle.

If I wer her/him, it would always be right there, at the edge of my mind, all the time.

Modifié par inversevideo, 12 mars 2010 - 01:25 .

[drew.winters]

The Mass Effect wiki as Alchera listed as having about 4/5 the gravity and 4/5 the atmospheric pressure of Earth. I'm guessing that means terminal velocity would be roughly the same on Alchera as on Earth, right? So if we assume that Shepherd's armor protected the body reasonably well from reentry (we see several pieces of it in fairly good shape in Shepherd's helmet and Legion's armor.) his/her body would easily be slowed to about 120 mph/190 kph before impact. As someone else pointed out, terminal velocity is not *always* even terminal - there are several accounts of people surviving falls from aircraft at high enough altitude to reach terminal velocity. At least one of them I've read involved landing in snow to cushion the landing - Alchera is a cold planet with plenty of snow.



In other words, no crater. It's not unreasonable (in the sci-fi sense of the word, Shep's armor must be pretty awesome) to expect that Sheperd's body was not utterly decimated by the ordeal. Granted: Miranda found the body to be in worse shape than she expected, but this does not mean Shepherd was annihilated.



The writers make it pretty clear that ME2 Shepherd has the same memories, the same personality, and the genetic makeup as ME1 Shepherd. They even make it clear that ME2 Shep has mostly the same body. That won't stop them from possibly pulling a surprise of some sort regarding the Lazarus technology, but it would be really, really stupid for them to suddenly decide to say that Shepherd is a clone or an AI.



The cells in your body get replaced constantly. If ME2 Shep isn't the "same" Shep as ME1 Shep just because Cerberus replaced some parts, then you aren't the same you that you were a year ago. It's a tricky question, actually: what defines a person?



Mass Effect has and will obviously play with this question with EDI and the Geth - do they count? I wouldn't be completely surprised if the writers pull this question up with Shepherd as well, but I don't think it would be a very compelling dilemma given what they've already told us. I think it's more likely that Shepherd's death functioned primarily as a transition-device to force Shepherd into a difficult situation where (s)he has been alienated, isolated, and forced to work with the sort of people that Paragon Shepherd, at least, would not otherwise work with. It allows the writers to easily push the player into circumstances that present more difficult ethical dilemmas.

[inversevideo]

It looks to me like BioWare just confirmed my suspicions that Shepard is part VI.

I 'm in the Cerberus Base, where you first wake up.
I explored a bit and found a room, with a laptop, and a progress report, from Miranda  stating that exposure caused extreme degradation, but they are looking to 'synthetic analogues' to resolve the issue.

And when I logged into Cerberus Daily News, today,  I see a new article, about President Huerta, and it mentions synthentic analogues.

http://www.cerberusdailynews.com/

March 12th, 2010

Expert witness Dr. Lin Shiyin testified in the Systems Alliance trial of Ford v. Huerta today. He claimed that the former president made a full recovery from a temporarily brain-dead state. Stumbling a little when grilled on Huerta’s timeline of cognition, Lin nevertheless made the case for Huerta being in full control once his motor functions and memory were assigned synthetic analogues. “To believe that he is now a different person, a synthetic, is to draw a line where no line is needed,” he argued. “A new man did not appear on the table when the first open-heart surgery was performed. His life was merely extended beyond what was thought possible at the time.”

Coincidence? I think not.

I do believe BIoware is leaking it out, bit by bit, how Shepard was resurected.

So, I think it is a vaild question to ask, if Shepard is still Shepard?

It is starting to appear that Shepard is at least now a meld of organic and inorganic, like Saren, like the Reapers.

What does this bode for Shepard's fate, in ME3?

Or is it a change that matters?

Modifié par inversevideo, 12 mars 2010 - 06:49 .

[Cutlass Jack]

Oh I'm absolutely sure there's more to what they did to Shepard than they're telling us. I'm still certain it wasn't an accident that the one person who could have filled you in got a bullet in his skull.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 12 mars 2010 - 06:49 .

[cos1ne]

I believe it's the same Shepard as we aren't given any information to the contrary. In fact they make it quite adamant in the beginning that Shepard is still the old Shepard.



For instance, Jacob tells Shepard he's probably not a clone...also Shepard having scars would discount him being a clone, as a clone would not have any.



Also from the scans of his body in the medical scene it shows his bones all broken, yet his skull appears to be mostly undamaged. Then when it shows them stimulating his brain, I assume it's his ocular nerve, the neurons seem to fire thus indicating the tissue has been recovered. I assume the blue fluid being injected into his system is something that strengthens the cellular walls so that they don't collapse and Shepard doesn't die from internal bleeding or turning into mush when they re-hydrate him, since he essentially was vacuum sealed.



Also if you don't think that a person is still the same person even after massive brain damage just take a look at this:



That kid loses half of his brain in violent trauma and he is not only surviving but fully functional. Shepard had the benefit of suffering minor trauma (no cracked skull) to his brain and your saying that his tissue was "too far gone". Now I know cryogenics is really damaging to tissues but that's explained with the "Lazarus Project" handwave. Also there is no mention nor does it appear that Shepard's brain is being "downloaded" into a VI so his situation is nothing like the President's in the Cerberus news update.



Basically according to Bioware there is no gray area, Shepard is as much Shepard as he was in the first game, he was only legally dead. Like a man who has a heart attack it's just instead of it being for a few minutes, it's more like a few months for Shep.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Mooner911 wrote...

Id, Ego, and Super Ego. Shep retains all 3. Shep knows that he/she is Shep. To Shep, it is a fact and undeniable truth. All other arguments are sourced from non-first-person perspective and thus cannot be proven to be certain, factual, or truthful. For you or me to imply that Shep is or isn't Shep is moot. The only possible way that Shep is not Shep is if 'Shep' is lieing and knows him/herself to be someone else.

This makes sense. From the story's point of view not very interesting, though.

[Chamelion117]

No-
ME2 Shepard is really Darth Revan:bandit:

[marshalleck]

When you visit Haestrom's sun in ME3, Shepard's Cylon Reaper tech will become active.

Modifié par marshalleck, 12 mars 2010 - 07:36 .

[Nizzemancer]

after 11 years every cell in your body will have been replaced at least once, "same" is a very loose term.

[inversevideo]

cos1ne wrote...

I believe it's the same Shepard as we aren't given any information to the contrary. In fact they make it quite adamant in the beginning that Shepard is still the old Shepard.

For instance, Jacob tells Shepard he's probably not a clone...also Shepard having scars would discount him being a clone, as a clone would not have any.

Also from the scans of his body in the medical scene it shows his bones all broken, yet his skull appears to be mostly undamaged. Then when it shows them stimulating his brain, I assume it's his ocular nerve, the neurons seem to fire thus indicating the tissue has been recovered. I assume the blue fluid being injected into his system is something that strengthens the cellular walls so that they don't collapse and Shepard doesn't die from internal bleeding or turning into mush when they re-hydrate him, since he essentially was vacuum sealed.

Also if you don't think that a person is still the same person even after massive brain damage just take a look at this:

That kid loses half of his brain in violent trauma and he is not only surviving but fully functional. Shepard had the benefit of suffering minor trauma (no cracked skull) to his brain and your saying that his tissue was "too far gone". Now I know cryogenics is really damaging to tissues but that's explained with the "Lazarus Project" handwave. Also there is no mention nor does it appear that Shepard's brain is being "downloaded" into a VI so his situation is nothing like the President's in the Cerberus news update.

Basically according to Bioware there is no gray area, Shepard is as much Shepard as he was in the first game, he was only legally dead. Like a man who has a heart attack it's just instead of it being for a few minutes, it's more like a few months for Shep.

Yeah, .. I hear what you are saying.. but I also know it is Bioware that is playing out this scenario on the Cerebus Network, complete with 'replies' to the Cerberus news article, from across the 'extranet'.

So I would have to say that at this particular moment, Bioware is playing 'fast and loose' with the whole, this is Shepard, statement.  Clearly it is not quite, since he died.  I am only guessing that T.I.M, knows this is not Shepard, Miranda knows, Chacwa's probably knows, and Liara definitely knows, as they would have had to use the data from her mind meld with you, to reconstruct your memory.

Could I be wrong? Of course!

But my curiosity is peaqued. So I will have to see how this all plays out, as Bioware feeds us more tidbits through the Cerberus Network, and hopefully in-game (either through DLC or ME3).  

http://www.cerberusd.../?p=64#comments




Draqua says:

March 12, 2010 at 00:41

See,
this is what I’m talking about! When you make the statement that a
human mind maintained within a computer is no different from a living
human, you’re basically saying the body isn’t has important as it used
to be.
In my opinion, sense of self is tied into the physical body, both in terms of abilities and limitations.
What if all we humans start downloading our brains into computers or
onto the net? We would be giving up what makes us human in the first
place. And what if those computers or databases get hacked, misused, or
destroyed? We’d could get deleted just because of some faulty code!
Look, if you die, you die. You can’t just put yourself in a
non-biological form and say “I will live forever in this way”. Sorry,
but it is not that simple.


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Half-Blood Quarian says:

March 12, 2010 at 01:53

If
you lose an arm, a leg or an internal organ and it is replaced by a
synthetic proxy does that make you less “Human”. The brain is an organ
just lie any other essential part of your body and in that the
personality, at least in humans, is stored in the frontal lobe. How
much has to be replaced before you aren’t you?


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Paptimus Talin says:

March 12, 2010 at 03:08

I’d
say the point where you are no longer yourself is the point when those
close to you and know you can no longer tell its you. From your
appearance, to your behaviors, to your unconscious actions. The moment
all those things change is that when the point you can no longer be
considered yourself.
This trial is a waste of time. If the former president can be recognized by his family then let the man continue his position.


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Evan says:

March 12, 2010 at 11:11

But
what about clones then? They look like you, talk like you, hell they
even feel what you feel, but are they “you”? And if they are you, than
what if there is more than one, or even over 9000? This is a difficult
line to see, I personally don’t think the President is any less than he
was before. This is simply the next step in medicine and extending
life, it seems he is still himself…Damn capital planets, life is so
much easier in the Colonies where you only have to worry about raiders.


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Procol His says:

March 12, 2010 at 11:24

Organic
machines are imperfect, physical machines are imperfect. Organic bodies
decay and break down, so do synthetic ones. Organic minds can be
tricked, misused, or destroyed, so can artificial ones. What,
ultimately, is the difference?


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Inconspicuous_Organic says:

March 12, 2010 at 15:01

We
have searched human databases for greater insight into this issue. An
antiquated vid series called “The Ghost in the Shell” was discovered,
and proved to be an effective analogue.


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Procol His says:

March 12, 2010 at 17:06

I
remember that one! I watched it in my 21st Century Cinematic Literature
class in college. Eerie paralells with the leap from VI to AI.
classic “science fiction” is interesting to look back on – what
predictions came true, what predictions didn’t, and why. Of course,
Scifi is not nearly so popular among humans as it was 50 years ago.
Ever since humans discovered the Mass Relay network, it kinda feels
like we’ve all been living in one giant SciFi novel.


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[inversevideo]

Oh, and if you did not catch it, Bioware, err.. Cerberus operative Inconspicuous Organic makes this reference:

http://www.cerberusd.../?p=64#comments

...a good ways down through the thread, or look back at my earlier post...

Inconspicuous_Organic says:

March 12, 2010 at 15:01

We have searched human databases for greater insight into this issue. An
antiquated vid series called “The Ghost in the Shell” was discovered,
and proved to be an effective analogue.




So of course, I had to Google the reference, 'Ghost in the Shell' and the hit, at Wikipedia, .. .well see for yourselves.

http://en.wikipedia....st_in_the_Shell

Oh Bioware, you are so wicked! And I am not complaining!

Modifié par inversevideo, 13 mars 2010 - 12:21 .

[inversevideo]

So I think, since it is Bioware pointing to this reference, that there is more to what was done to Shepard, than we considered, and Bioware (our master story weavers) are asking us to think about all the implicatiions.



http://en.wikipedia....st_in_the_Shell



Philosophy of Ghost in the Shell

Overview



Ghost in the Shell takes place in the year 2029, when the world has become interconnected by a vast electronic network that permeates every aspect of life. People also tend to rely more and more on cybernetic implants and the first strong AIs make their appearance. The main entity presented in the various media is the Public Security Section 9 police force, which is charged to investigate cases like the Puppet Master and the Laughing Man.



Yet, as those criminals are revealed to have more depth than was at first apparent, the various protagonists are left with disturbing questions: What exactly is the definition of human in a society where a mind can be copied and the body replaced with a fully synthetic body? What, exactly, is the "ghost" — the essence — in the cybernetic "shell"? Where is the boundary between human and machine when the differences between the two become more philosophical than physical?

[edit] Philosophical elements

[edit] Ghosts



In Ghost in the Shell, the word ghost is colloquial slang for an individual's consciousness. In the manga's futuristic society, science has redefined the ghost as the thing that differentiates a human being from a biological robot. Regardless of how much biological material is replaced with electronic or mechanical substitutes, as long as individuals retain their ghost, they retain their humanity and individuality.

[Bogsnot1]

I'm Sparticus...



No, I'm Sparticus...



I'm Brian, and so is my wife!

[CTM1]

Evan also says "over 9000" when speaking of clones. Heh.

[Sky Shadowing]

There's one more thing everybody's missing- Shepard, in the first cut scenes, begins to wake up. If he was partially VI or anything like that, he would not have been able to do so (since they could have just flicked him back off), which indicates that his brain is active. They sedate him to keep him asleep- which indicates that his body is, in fact, alive and reactive to chemical agents.



IMO, Shepard NEVER died. The tubes referenced could have been things like artificial blood streams, IV drips, etc. You know? Artificial heart, things to keep the brain awake.

(SPOILER ALERT: REDEMPTION)

In Redemption, which I have not read but read a summary, Shepard's body is kept in a stasis pod and is referred to as being "neither dead or alive". If he were dead, a simple freezer would be more than enough to prevent decay.

(END SPOILER ALERT)



All this indicates to me that Shepard still is, at least, partially alive, or at least "recently dead" enough to resuciate him.

[binaryemperor]

Geth Knight wrote...

I always believed that Shepard was just in the fringe of orbit and re-entry till he was picked up. With out an atmosphere to promot decomp, he would be fine. I assume its the same Shepard from ME1

Yeah, everyone assumed he entered the atmosphere of the planet he died over. It did look like it from the video, but if he really DID enter the lower atmosphere and hit the ground, there wouldn't be anything left but bits of ceramic from his suit. He had to be in orbit.

EDIT: or maybe he is a Reaper cyborg.

Modifié par binaryemperor, 13 mars 2010 - 01:53 .

[drew.winters]

Sky Shadowing wrote...

There's one more thing everybody's missing- Shepard, in the first cut scenes, begins to wake up. If he was partially VI or anything like that, he would not have been able to do so (since they could have just flicked him back off), which indicates that his brain is active. They sedate him to keep him asleep- which indicates that his body is, in fact, alive and reactive to chemical agents.

That's a good point, I think.

IMO, Shepard NEVER died. The tubes referenced could have been things like artificial blood streams, IV drips, etc. You know? Artificial heart, things to keep the brain awake.
(SPOILER ALERT: REDEMPTION)
In Redemption, which I have not read but read a summary, Shepard's body is kept in a stasis pod and is referred to as being "neither dead or alive". If he were dead, a simple freezer would be more than enough to prevent decay.
(END SPOILER ALERT)

All this indicates to me that Shepard still is, at least, partially alive, or at least "recently dead" enough to resuciate him.

The exact quote is "I do know where Commander Shepherd is.  But you won't like what I have to tell you."  "Dead?"  "Yes -- or close to it.  It's hard to say, the body has been recovered, in some kind of stasis pod --  if not dead, then certainly not alive."  (Redemption #1)

The issue brought up here is actually a hot topic in the medical field - what defines "death" and conversely, what defines "life"?  If you shoot me through the heart, I will "die" - and yet the vast majority of my body's cells will remain living for some time - some longer than others.  Then, once a cell "dies" (i.e., ceases to function) it doesn't simply vanish or disintegrate, it just stops working until it is destroyed through some other means.  So what is death?  What is life?  Is an otherwise perfectly-functional but brain-dead person still alive?

I don't think we need to discuss that question here.  I only bring it up to argue that the comic is pointing out that "death" is actually a sort of grey area.  I think it otherwise makes clear that Shepherd is, by any current, common definition, dead.  In nearly every other case, the comic (written by the lead writer of ME2 according to the cover) refers to Shepherd as "dead", "a corpse", "a dead body", etc.  As to why it's in a stasis pod rather than a freezer, I can only speculate that a stasis pod would not cause the cellular damage a freezer would.  While freezing dead tissue will keep bacteria from decomposing it (by freezing the bacteria) the freezing process destroys the cells - as the water in the cells freezes, it expands and ruptures the cells.  Apparently, this sort of damage was the largest obstacle for the Lazarus team, as Shepherd's exposure to cold and vacuum had caused much cellular damage.

I don't think Shepherd is a Reaper either, but I did notice a similarity in appearance between Shepherd's glowing scars and the glowing emanating from the Harbinger-possessed Collectors.  I think it's possible that Lazarus used some Reaper-tech and that may come into play later - but I still think Shepherd is the *same* Shepherd in any useful sense of the word.

Also, we do see him/her re-enter the atmosphere - but remember that it is common practice for 20th/21st century space probes to use aerobraking manuevers to slow down.  That is, just because something enters the atmosphere does not necessarily mean it hits the ground.  It's possible Shepherd only skipped through the atmosphere and remained in orbit.  Even if (s)he hit the ground, as I've said before, it would happen at terminal velocity - not orbital velocity.  No crater.

Modifié par drew.winters, 14 mars 2010 - 02:24 .

[drew.winters]

Also, we may get more info on this in Redemption #4. I wouldn't count on it, but it is possible.

[marshalleck]

I'm saddened to discover that a Mass Effect fan had to google Ghost in the Shell. <_<

Modifié par marshalleck, 14 mars 2010 - 03:44 .

[NYG1991]

i'll wait till the next novel comes out. they usually give little nuggets of info as to the basic plot points of the next game

[Nizzemancer]

drew.winters wrote...

Sky Shadowing wrote...

There's one more thing everybody's missing- Shepard, in the first cut scenes, begins to wake up. If he was partially VI or anything like that, he would not have been able to do so (since they could have just flicked him back off), which indicates that his brain is active. They sedate him to keep him asleep- which indicates that his body is, in fact, alive and reactive to chemical agents.

That's a good point, I think.

IMO, Shepard NEVER died. The tubes referenced could have been things like artificial blood streams, IV drips, etc. You know? Artificial heart, things to keep the brain awake.
(SPOILER ALERT: REDEMPTION)
In Redemption, which I have not read but read a summary, Shepard's body is kept in a stasis pod and is referred to as being "neither dead or alive". If he were dead, a simple freezer would be more than enough to prevent decay.
(END SPOILER ALERT)

All this indicates to me that Shepard still is, at least, partially alive, or at least "recently dead" enough to resuciate him.

The exact quote is "I do know where Commander Shepherd is.  But you won't like what I have to tell you."  "Dead?"  "Yes -- or close to it.  It's hard to say, the body has been recovered, in some kind of stasis pod --  if not dead, then certainly not alive."  (Redemption #1)

The issue brought up here is actually a hot topic in the medical field - what defines "death" and conversely, what defines "life"?  If you shoot me through the heart, I will "die" - and yet the vast majority of my body's cells will remain living for some time - some longer than others.  Then, once a cell "dies" (i.e., ceases to function) it doesn't simply vanish or disintegrate, it just stops working until it is destroyed through some other means.  So what is death?  What is life?  Is an otherwise perfectly-functional but brain-dead person still alive?

I don't think we need to discuss that question here.  I only bring it up to argue that the comic is pointing out that "death" is actually a sort of grey area.  I think it otherwise makes clear that Shepherd is, by any current, common definition, dead.  In nearly every other case, the comic (written by the lead writer of ME2 according to the cover) refers to Shepherd as "dead", "a corpse", "a dead body", etc.  As to why it's in a stasis pod rather than a freezer, I can only speculate that a stasis pod would not cause the cellular damage a freezer would.  While freezing dead tissue will keep bacteria from decomposing it (by freezing the bacteria) the freezing process destroys the cells - as the water in the cells freezes, it expands and ruptures the cells.  Apparently, this sort of damage was the largest obstacle for the Lazarus team, as Shepherd's exposure to cold and vacuum had caused much cellular damage.

I don't think Shepherd is a Reaper either, but I did notice a similarity in appearance between Shepherd's glowing scars and the glowing emanating from the Harbinger-possessed Collectors.  I think it's possible that Lazarus used some Reaper-tech and that may come into play later - but I still think Shepherd is the *same* Shepherd in any useful sense of the word.

Also, we do see him/her re-enter the atmosphere - but remember that it is common practice for 20th/21st century space probes to use aerobraking manuevers to slow down.  That is, just because something enters the atmosphere does not necessarily mean it hits the ground.  It's possible Shepherd only skipped through the atmosphere and remained in orbit.  Even if (s)he hit the ground, as I've said before, it would happen at terminal velocity - not orbital velocity.  No crater.

Low angle of descent = bouncing off the atmosphere.

A bit of a plothole is the enviroment in space. It's VERY cold - just a few degrees above 0K, a very unpleasant way to die. Everything in his/her body would freeze almost instantly, and the rapid freezing would destroy every cell in his/her body...with RL science there would be no way to even get any DNA to clone him/her from after an experience like that.

[Nizzemancer]

marshalleck wrote...

I'm saddened to discover that a Mass Effect fan had to google Ghost in the Shell. <_<

Yeah because if you like Mass Effect you are into Manga by proxy, right?

[Llandaryn]

Is Shepard really Shepard?

No. Shepard is a lovely little sausage named Baldrick.

[Kurt M.]

justinnstuff wrote...

I like the conspiracy theory, and with the way the scars and eyes work, Shep definitely has more machine in him than we want to think. I still think he has some reaper parts. If this was the case though, why didn't TIM just make Shep controllable if he wanted a loyal soldier?

Miranda already explains it if you talk to her after meeting TIM for the first time, and before going to Freedom's Progress. If a control chip would have been implanted, TIM thinks that Shepard would have not been the same (as he wanted Shepard to be), and I think he's right. As soon as Shepard would have known he had a control chip, it'd have had several dramatic changes to his personality, surely reducing it's leadership and bravery, or even sacrificing all chances of *naturally* becoming loyal to Cerberus at most, effectively turning him more into a robot/mech than a human (a very expensive mech ).

Modifié par Gladiador2, 14 mars 2010 - 08:30 .