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[Bhictoo]

Thanks for the charts and things OP. I tried to think of the permutations of this in my head and ended up with a mess raging in my skull. Thanks for clearing that out for me.



I think that Bioware planned Kaidan/Ash and Liara romances originally over the trilogy, with Miri and Jacob being the alternate romances in ME2, for those that either didn't play/had no li in ME or chose to 'move on' in ME2. Thane, Garrus and Tali were added in for the fans, and didn't seem as fleshed out (literally) as the Miri and Jacob ones were. Now that they're in, I think that the original lis will still be better fleshed out in ME3, with Thane, Garrus and Tali getting the same treatment as ME2.



Tali/Garrus/Thane: Oh hey Shepard...about... you know...ME2

Shepard: fling, ends it/True Lu..love, carries on

Tali/Garrus/Thane: Busy/Busy/Busy

Quest comes up.

The hit on line

The should we/shouldn't we line(s)

and finally the big pay off for all of our hard work. No more is then said... ever.

[Yeled]

kraidy1117 wrote...


Ya but you will be getting closure and such in ME3. If they pulled a ME2 on Miri and Tali then there would be no closure and that would ****** off alot of people.

Will we?  I'm not so sure.

I expect there will be some kind of acknowledgement, but it might not amount to what I'd consider closure.

[kraidy1117]

Bhictoo wrote...

Thanks for the charts and things OP. I tried to think of the permutations of this in my head and ended up with a mess raging in my skull. Thanks for clearing that out for me.

I think that Bioware planned Kaidan/Ash and Liara romances originally over the trilogy, with Miri and Jacob being the alternate romances in ME2, for those that either didn't play/had no li in ME or chose to 'move on' in ME2. Thane, Garrus and Tali were added in for the fans, and didn't seem as fleshed out (literally) as the Miri and Jacob ones were. Now that they're in, I think that the original lis will still be better fleshed out in ME3, with Thane, Garrus and Tali getting the same treatment as ME2.

Tali/Garrus/Thane: Oh hey Shepard...about... you know...ME2
Shepard: fling, ends it/True Lu..love, carries on
Tali/Garrus/Thane: Busy/Busy/Busy
Quest comes up.
The hit on line
The should we/shouldn't we line(s)
and finally the big pay off for all of our hard work. No more is then said... ever.

Jacob was the worse LI in the game. Just look at the boards or polls.

[kraidy1117]

Yeled wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...


Ya but you will be getting closure and such in ME3. If they pulled a ME2 on Miri and Tali then there would be no closure and that would ****** off alot of people.

Will we?  I'm not so sure.

I expect there will be some kind of acknowledgement, but it might not amount to what I'd consider closure.

Why do you think Bioware ledt them out? They did't do it so they could laugh at fans getting pissed off.

[Collider]

Binary.

[Marilynn-22]

Bhictoo wrote...

Thanks for the charts and things OP. I tried to think of the permutations of this in my head and ended up with a mess raging in my skull. Thanks for clearing that out for me.

I think that Bioware planned Kaidan/Ash and Liara romances originally over the trilogy, with Miri and Jacob being the alternate romances in ME2, for those that either didn't play/had no li in ME or chose to 'move on' in ME2. Thane, Garrus and Tali were added in for the fans, and didn't seem as fleshed out (literally) as the Miri and Jacob ones were. Now that they're in, I think that the original lis will still be better fleshed out in ME3, with Thane, Garrus and Tali getting the same treatment as ME2.

Tali/Garrus/Thane: Oh hey Shepard...about... you know...ME2
Shepard: fling, ends it/True Lu..love, carries on
Tali/Garrus/Thane: Busy/Busy/Busy
Quest comes up.
The hit on line
The should we/shouldn't we line(s)
and finally the big pay off for all of our hard work. No more is then said... ever.

All love interest are fan based, that is all.

[Yeled]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Yeled wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...


Ya but you will be getting closure and such in ME3. If they pulled a ME2 on Miri and Tali then there would be no closure and that would ****** off alot of people.

Will we?  I'm not so sure.

I expect there will be some kind of acknowledgement, but it might not amount to what I'd consider closure.

Why do you think Bioware ledt them out? They did't do it so they could laugh at fans getting pissed off.

At this point I'm not really sure.  A lot of what they said doesn't make sense to me anymore.

In any event, I'm not so sure the ME1 LIs will make anything more than a quick cameo in ME3, which may or may not produce feelings of satisfaction and closure.

[Nozybidaj]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ya but you will be getting closure and such in ME3. If they pulled a ME2 on Miri and Tali then there would be no closure and that would ****** off alot of people.

/shrug You had closure in ME2 right before the suicide mission where they both died.

Look, I honestly wouldn't wish what they did to the ME1 LI's on the fans of the ME2 LI's.  It completely sucked and was about the worst example of story telling I've seen in a long time.  If something doesn't give though ALL the LI's are going to suffer because of the sheer number of them.  If BW hadn't cast out the ME1 LI's in ME2 I'd be all for the new LI's getting what they deserve.

Remember what Casey Hudson said though "Some of the ME1 characters are back, and recruitable (more than you might think), and the ones that aren't still play an important role in the story and will be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new characters."

Don't be surprised when the new characters are getting cameo'ed and reduced roles in ME3, that is if Casey is going to live up to his words here and bring back the ME1 LI's as important parts of the story.

[kraidy1117]

Nozybidaj wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ya but you will be getting closure and such in ME3. If they pulled a ME2 on Miri and Tali then there would be no closure and that would ****** off alot of people.

/shrug You had closure in ME2 right before the suicide mission where they both died.

Look, I honestly wouldn't wish what they did to the ME1 LI's on the fans of the ME2 LI's.  It completely sucked and was about the worst example of story telling I've seen in a long time.  If something doesn't give though ALL the LI's are going to suffer because of the sheer number of them.  If BW hadn't cast out the ME1 LI's in ME2 I'd be all for the new LI's getting what they deserve.

Remember what Casey Hudson said though "Some of the ME1 characters are back, and recruitable (more than you might think), and the ones that aren't still play an important role in the story and will be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new characters."

Don't be surprised when the new characters are getting cameo'ed and reduced roles in ME3, that is if Casey is going to live up to his words here and bring back the ME1 LI's as important parts of the story.

Me or Miri never died so there is no closure. Sorry if Miri is reduced to a cameo and I am forced to either romance Ashley or dump her and pursue a new LI or osmethingl ike that I will be very disapointed. In ME2 you had a choice, in ME3 there won't be. This is the end.

[facialstrokage]

what about legion?

[Nozybidaj]

kraidy1117 wrote...
Me or Miri never died so there is no closure. Sorry if Miri is reduced to a cameo and I am forced to either romance Ashley or dump her and pursue a new LI or osmethingl ike that I will be very disapointed. In ME2 you had a choice, in ME3 there won't be. This is the end.

I had no choice in ME2 and yes I was very disappointed.  I feel for the ME2 fans I really do, and actually I don't believe the ME1 fans are going to get much better.

[Yeled]

Nozybidaj wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Me or Miri never died so there is no closure. Sorry if Miri is reduced to a cameo and I am forced to either romance Ashley or dump her and pursue a new LI or osmethingl ike that I will be very disapointed. In ME2 you had a choice, in ME3 there won't be. This is the end.

I had no choice in ME2 and yes I was very disappointed.  I feel for the ME2 fans I really do, and actually I don't believe the ME1 fans are going to get much better.

Me neither. 

Welcome to the depressing world of Liara fandom.

[Bhictoo]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Jacob was the worse LI in the game. Just look at the boards or polls.

I didn't do the Jacob romance either, my femsheps interaction with him was a turn off.  I kept the convos strictly about upgrades, the mission or before and after his quest.

My thought that Miri and Jacob were always planned as lis for ME2 was based on them having their own game leading up to the release of ME2, making them a familiar couple to the players.  Of course they can die and not appear in ME3, in which case were back to ME1 lis fleshed out and the rest, emails.

[kraidy1117]

Nozybidaj wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Me or Miri never died so there is no closure. Sorry if Miri is reduced to a cameo and I am forced to either romance Ashley or dump her and pursue a new LI or osmethingl ike that I will be very disapointed. In ME2 you had a choice, in ME3 there won't be. This is the end.

I had no choice in ME2 and yes I was very disappointed.  I feel for the ME2 fans I really do, and actually I don't believe the ME1 fans are going to get much better.

Liara will most likely be a squadmate because of all the dev Bioware has put into her, the shadow brooker plot and the fact she is the only one who can not die. You also got a kiss scene (tho it was cheesy) and she was nice to you unlike Kaidan/Ashely who told you to screw off.

[kraidy1117]

Bhictoo wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Jacob was the worse LI in the game. Just look at the boards or polls.

I didn't do the Jacob romance either, my femsheps interaction with him was a turn off.  I kept the convos strictly about upgrades, the mission or before and after his quest.

My thought that Miri and Jacob were always planned as lis for ME2 was based on them having their own game leading up to the release of ME2, making them a familiar couple to the players.  Of course they can die and not appear in ME3, in which case were back to ME1 lis fleshed out and the rest, emails.

But unlike Jacob, Miri has one of the best romances and a huge fanbase. Also the point she is VERY hard to kill means Bioware has plans for her. The thing is, majority of players will make sure everyone survives unless youare a dick and killed someone off for no reason.

[jtav]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Ya but you will be getting closure and such in ME3. If they pulled a ME2 on Miri and Tali then there would be no closure and that would ****** off alot of people.

/shrug You had closure in ME2 right before the suicide mission where they both died.

Look, I honestly wouldn't wish what they did to the ME1 LI's on the fans of the ME2 LI's.  It completely sucked and was about the worst example of story telling I've seen in a long time.  If something doesn't give though ALL the LI's are going to suffer because of the sheer number of them.  If BW hadn't cast out the ME1 LI's in ME2 I'd be all for the new LI's getting what they deserve.

Remember what Casey Hudson said though "Some of the ME1 characters are back, and recruitable (more than you might think), and the ones that aren't still play an important role in the story and will be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new characters."

Don't be surprised when the new characters are getting cameo'ed and reduced roles in ME3, that is if Casey is going to live up to his words here and bring back the ME1 LI's as important parts of the story.

Me or Miri never died so there is no closure. Sorry if Miri is reduced to a cameo and I am forced to either romance Ashley or dump her and pursue a new LI or osmethingl ike that I will be very disapointed. In ME2 you had a choice, in ME3 there won't be. This is the end.

For a non-trivial number of players, their LI might be dead. I think Mirand has a great chance to come back, but we might also have to settle for the same amount of content the Ash/Kaidan fans got. There's always the option of staying single in ME3 if need be.

[Yeled]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Me or Miri never died so there is no closure. Sorry if Miri is reduced to a cameo and I am forced to either romance Ashley or dump her and pursue a new LI or osmethingl ike that I will be very disapointed. In ME2 you had a choice, in ME3 there won't be. This is the end.

I had no choice in ME2 and yes I was very disappointed.  I feel for the ME2 fans I really do, and actually I don't believe the ME1 fans are going to get much better.

Liara will most likely be a squadmate because of all the dev Bioware has put into her, the shadow brooker plot and the fact she is the only one who can not die. You also got a kiss scene (tho it was cheesy) and she was nice to you unlike Kaidan/Ashely who told you to screw off.

Most Liara fans hate that scene.  In fact its one of our biggest complaints.  It wasn't cheesy, it was confusing and frustrating and left most of us stunned.  I doubt you'll be satisfied with a scene like that for Miranda in ME3.

[Bhictoo]

Marilynn-22 wrote...

All love interest are fan based, that is all.

I know that!  The lis I mentioned were made for the fans that weren't happy with the ones that were put in ME1.  Bioware says that this is why Thane/Garrus and Tali were added!

[Br0th3rGr1mm]

Someone needs another hobby....

[kraidy1117]

Yeled wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
Me or Miri never died so there is no closure. Sorry if Miri is reduced to a cameo and I am forced to either romance Ashley or dump her and pursue a new LI or osmethingl ike that I will be very disapointed. In ME2 you had a choice, in ME3 there won't be. This is the end.

I had no choice in ME2 and yes I was very disappointed.  I feel for the ME2 fans I really do, and actually I don't believe the ME1 fans are going to get much better.

Liara will most likely be a squadmate because of all the dev Bioware has put into her, the shadow brooker plot and the fact she is the only one who can not die. You also got a kiss scene (tho it was cheesy) and she was nice to you unlike Kaidan/Ashely who told you to screw off.

Most Liara fans hate that scene.  In fact its one of our biggest complaints.  It wasn't cheesy, it was confusing and frustrating and left most of us stunned.  I doubt you'll be satisfied with a scene like that for Miranda in ME3.

You still got something while people who romanced Ashley/Kaidan got a big F-u. It might have been porly done but at least you got something. Doing something like that to Miri is not logical BECAUSE this is the last ME game with Shepard and his team. There needs to be closure for all LI and not some lame camoe.

[Madecologist]

kraidy1117 wrote...

But unlike Jacob, Miri has one of the best romances and a huge fanbase. Also the point she is VERY hard to kill means Bioware has plans for her. The thing is, majority of players will make sure everyone survives unless youare a dick and killed someone off for no reason.

True that, just go to youtube and watch end videos, people are asking how to get a full survival and others saying how to do it. Overall, most people attempt to have everyone survive. In a way, it is like a score and no one wants to be second place.

[Never]

Well they have to be doing something different with the LIs from 1 and 2, after they said that you'd be rewarded for staying loyal to your ME1 LI.

[Yeled]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Yeled wrote...

Most Liara fans hate that scene.  In fact its one of our biggest complaints.  It wasn't cheesy, it was confusing and frustrating and left most of us stunned.  I doubt you'll be satisfied with a scene like that for Miranda in ME3.

You still got something while people who romanced Ashley/Kaidan got a big F-u. It might have been porly done but at least you got something. Doing something like that to Miri is not logical BECAUSE this is the last ME game with Shepard and his team. There needs to be closure for all LI and not some lame camoe.

I don't disagree that there should be closure for all LIs.  I'm just saying its not a sure thing, or maybe even likely.

I'd really like all the LIs to be squadmates with the option to continue the romance in a new way, adding depth beyong the boy meets girl (or girl meets girl or human meets alien) formula Bioware has used for about 10-15 years now.  I just doubt that will happen.