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[MassAffected]

WilliamShatner wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Lord Coake wrote...

Deztyn wrote...

There's a difference between being a squadmate and love interest and having a role in the actual plot. The ME2 characters may get the former, but they can't have the latter. Liara is guarenteed to live. Either Ash and Kaidan will live and they're functionally interchangeable. None of the ME2 characters can have the significance they can in the next game.

With the probable exceptions being Garrus and Tali.

Probable?

I'm very pro Garrus and Tali in ME3, but neither are very significant plot wise after picking them up in the Citadel in ME1. However, that doesn't make them less significant to Shepard.

I don't understand the animosity from some ME1 LI supporters. Ash/Kaidan and Liara are guaranteed for ME3 and those characters have been significant to the plot thus far. So what if they weren't in ME2? That means they can't die. Garrus and Tali can (and the rest of the ME2 squad, of course), so their supporters are justifiably worried about what role they'll play in ME3 if at all.

People waited two years to continue their adventures with these characters and instead they got a kick in the nuts. That's the so what.

As for being "important to plot" - overrated.  I'm sure if you ask any of the characters' fans whether they would want them as a squad mate with lots of dialogue and interaction or a minor role that is "important to plot" they would pick the squad mate.

Also I would say Tali's role will turn out to be pretty damn significant. to the story the quarian/geth plot is played out where people think it's going.

I still fail to see the issue...I loved ME1 and I loved the characters. We got 2 out of the possible 5 back and Wrex has an extremely important role as the leader of his clan. I actually enjoyed Liara's missions in ME2, what little there were and was happy to see Kaiden doing his own thing. You have to realize and look at it in the context of the game. Sheppard was dead for 2 years...people aren't just going to sit around and wait hoping that he might magically come back...they move on with their lives.

And at the same time as Sheppard you can't expect them to drop everything and run off to save the galaxy with you just because you're back. Thats why I understood Liara's plight against the Shadow Broker and Kaiden's attitude towards me and Cerberus. They have their own problems to deal with.

I can see why fans of those characters would be slightly miffed, but look at the bigger picture. The first two games are setting the stage for the final battle. Instead of ranting on how ME2 characters and LIs should get the shaft we should instead band together and beg/plead/threaten BioWare to expand on ALL aspects of the previous two games.

[Nozybidaj]

Deztyn wrote...

But who is saying their role in the third game will be minor? It was minor in the second by necessity. They can be plot important and squadmates next time around. Which will put them on even footing with the ME2 characters if they return.

It was NOT necessity. Here I'll think up three ways right off the top of my head to both include them and have them guaranteed to be in ME3.

1) Make them squad mates.  Give them full squad dialogue and interaction and romance content if applicable.  Have them get captured when the Normandy is boarded.
2) Make them squad mates.  Give them full squad dialogue and interaction and romance content if applicable.  Give them a specific role in the suicide mission that guarantees their survival
3) Make them NPCs that are important to the story.  Give them a full set of dialogue and interactions and romance content if applicable.  Don't go on suicide mission.

There, three perfectly acceptable ways to include them, and I'm not even a professional writer.  Imagine that.

Here's a 4th one just for kicks.  If they die, just like if Shep dies, you can't import that save.

[Nozybidaj]

MassAffected wrote...

I still fail to see the issue...I loved ME1 and I loved the characters. We got 2 out of the possible 5 back and Wrex has an extremely important role as the leader of his clan. I actually enjoyed Liara's missions in ME2, what little there were and was happy to see Kaiden doing his own thing. You have to realize and look at it in the context of the game. Sheppard was dead for 2 years...people aren't just going to sit around and wait hoping that he might magically come back...they move on with their lives.

Do you even know why Liara is the way she is in ME2?

[Sharn01]

aznsoisauce wrote...

Lord Coake wrote...

Deztyn wrote...

There's a difference between being a squadmate and love interest and having a role in the actual plot. The ME2 characters may get the former, but they can't have the latter. Liara is guarenteed to live. Either Ash and Kaidan will live and they're functionally interchangeable. None of the ME2 characters can have the significance they can in the next game.

With the probable exceptions being Garrus and Tali.

Probable?

I'm very pro Garrus and Tali in ME3, but neither are very significant plot wise after picking them up in the Citadel in ME1. However, that doesn't make them less significant to Shepard.

I don't understand the animosity from some ME1 LI supporters. Ash/Kaidan and Liara are guaranteed for ME3 and those characters have been significant to the plot thus far. So what if they weren't in ME2? That means they can't die. Garrus and Tali can (and the rest of the ME2 squad, of course), so their supporters are justifiably worried about what role they'll play in ME3 if at all.

I have been on the board's since the release of ME2 pretty reguarly, and I can say that there was not much animosity for the ME2 squadmates in the beginning.  It was brought about as time passed and people got agrier with their speculation's with no official comment's to set their minds at ease. 

Add to this the fact that many people constantly posted their anger and hatred for the ME1 cast for the way they where portrayed in ME2 by people on the forum when those who stayed loyal to their ME1 incarnation where tyring to defend them. 

Top it off with some troll's who constantly bashed them and spouted how glad they where that they where gone and hoped they never returned, and you are left with a bunch of bitter people who want the people trolling them to feel the way they do.

Most of the ME1 LI fan's do not want the ME2 fan's to get burned, but it almost seem's like people are picking sides and think that one side has to lose for the other to get what they want.  The ME1 LI fans are in a bad spot right now while the ME2 LI fans are riding high, so them coming to the support of the ME2 LI is going to be rare, but I think the animosity would dwindle considerably if not go away completely if some of the ME2 LI fans starting showing the old squadmates some support.

Modifié par Sharn01, 05 mars 2010 - 05:59 .

[Nozybidaj]

Deztyn wrote...

But who is saying their role in the third game will be minor? It was minor in the second by necessity. They can be plot important and squadmates next time around. Which will put them on even footing with the ME2 characters if they return.

And another thing.  They are not on "even footing" anymore.  In fact if they are the LI you are actually a game behind now thanks to the reset on the romances.  The ME2 Li's are ready to roll right into ME3 full speed ahead while those with an ME1 LI will have to retread the whole romance just to get back to where they ME2 LI's currently are.  So unless the ME1 Li's are going to get twice the content the ME2 Li's get they are always going to end up further behind in progression of their story.

[Deztyn]

Nozybidaj wrote...
It was NOT necessity.
*Cutting the rest*

If Liara's business with the Shadow Broker and Kaidan/Ashley's work for the Alliance is important to the plot of ME3, none of those options are viable. I touched on that in an earlier post.

And another thing.  They are not on "even footing" anymore.  In fact if
they are the LI you are actually a game behind now thanks to the reset
on the romances.  The ME2 Li's are ready to roll right into ME3 full
speed ahead while those with an ME1 LI will have to retread the whole
romance just to get back to where they ME2 LI's currently are.  So
unless the ME1 Li's are going to get twice the content the ME2 Li's get
they are always going to end up further behind in progression of their
story.

Two games for the original characters, two games for the ME2 characters. (Three for the fan favorites.)
And I would imagine that if you chose to be faithful to your ME1 love interest it won't matter much that you were apart for one game. They might very well just decide to pick up where they left off. No retread required.

Modifié par Deztyn, 05 mars 2010 - 06:08 .

[MassAffected]

Nozybidaj wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

I still fail to see the issue...I loved ME1 and I loved the characters. We got 2 out of the possible 5 back and Wrex has an extremely important role as the leader of his clan. I actually enjoyed Liara's missions in ME2, what little there were and was happy to see Kaiden doing his own thing. You have to realize and look at it in the context of the game. Sheppard was dead for 2 years...people aren't just going to sit around and wait hoping that he might magically come back...they move on with their lives.

Do you even know why Liara is the way she is in ME2?

I've read part of the comics that lead into it, it might have something to do with the Drell that was helping her out. So, no, I don't know exactly why she is the way she is. Does it matter? Its all part of the bigger picture. The only rationalle that I can honestly see behind you being upset is that YOU didn't get what you wanted so now you're mad. Like I've said, I really enjoyed Liara and Kaiden in the first game...I even had them in my party every single time I beat the game. I also see why BioWare did what they did with them in the second and I'm not upset with them nor do I feel like they have "kicked me in the nuts" or "gave me the finger"...I mean come on. Look at what some of you folks are saying.

[Nozybidaj]

MassAffected wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

I still fail to see the issue...I loved ME1 and I loved the characters. We got 2 out of the possible 5 back and Wrex has an extremely important role as the leader of his clan. I actually enjoyed Liara's missions in ME2, what little there were and was happy to see Kaiden doing his own thing. You have to realize and look at it in the context of the game. Sheppard was dead for 2 years...people aren't just going to sit around and wait hoping that he might magically come back...they move on with their lives.

Do you even know why Liara is the way she is in ME2?

I've read part of the comics that lead into it, it might have something to do with the Drell that was helping her out. So, no, I don't know exactly why she is the way she is. Does it matter? Its all part of the bigger picture. The only rationalle that I can honestly see behind you being upset is that YOU didn't get what you wanted so now you're mad. Like I've said, I really enjoyed Liara and Kaiden in the first game...I even had them in my party every single time I beat the game. I also see why BioWare did what they did with them in the second and I'm not upset with them nor do I feel like they have "kicked me in the nuts" or "gave me the finger"...I mean come on. Look at what some of you folks are saying.

Uh yeah, Liara is the one that recovered Shep's body and gave it to Cerberus.  She KNOWS he is coming back.  She is the whole reason he is coming back at all.

[MassAffected]

Nozybidaj wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

I still fail to see the issue...I loved ME1 and I loved the characters. We got 2 out of the possible 5 back and Wrex has an extremely important role as the leader of his clan. I actually enjoyed Liara's missions in ME2, what little there were and was happy to see Kaiden doing his own thing. You have to realize and look at it in the context of the game. Sheppard was dead for 2 years...people aren't just going to sit around and wait hoping that he might magically come back...they move on with their lives.

Do you even know why Liara is the way she is in ME2?

I've read part of the comics that lead into it, it might have something to do with the Drell that was helping her out. So, no, I don't know exactly why she is the way she is. Does it matter? Its all part of the bigger picture. The only rationalle that I can honestly see behind you being upset is that YOU didn't get what you wanted so now you're mad. Like I've said, I really enjoyed Liara and Kaiden in the first game...I even had them in my party every single time I beat the game. I also see why BioWare did what they did with them in the second and I'm not upset with them nor do I feel like they have "kicked me in the nuts" or "gave me the finger"...I mean come on. Look at what some of you folks are saying.

Uh yeah, Liara is the one that recovered Shep's body and gave it to Cerberus.  She KNOWS he is coming back.  She is the whole reason he is coming back at all.

Yes, I remember that part when she tells Sheppard and I responded that I was glad that she had done that. So Liara knows, but that doesn't mean that she still has to drop every little thing and go running into Sheppard's arms. They are adults with their own problems. And I think that she stole the body from one of the Shadow Broker's agents that was going to give it to the Collectors right? Another reason for her to have a huge vendetta against the SB.

[Sharn01]

MassAffected wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

I still fail to see the issue...I loved ME1 and I loved the characters. We got 2 out of the possible 5 back and Wrex has an extremely important role as the leader of his clan. I actually enjoyed Liara's missions in ME2, what little there were and was happy to see Kaiden doing his own thing. You have to realize and look at it in the context of the game. Sheppard was dead for 2 years...people aren't just going to sit around and wait hoping that he might magically come back...they move on with their lives.

Do you even know why Liara is the way she is in ME2?

I've read part of the comics that lead into it, it might have something to do with the Drell that was helping her out. So, no, I don't know exactly why she is the way she is. Does it matter? Its all part of the bigger picture. The only rationalle that I can honestly see behind you being upset is that YOU didn't get what you wanted so now you're mad. Like I've said, I really enjoyed Liara and Kaiden in the first game...I even had them in my party every single time I beat the game. I also see why BioWare did what they did with them in the second and I'm not upset with them nor do I feel like they have "kicked me in the nuts" or "gave me the finger"...I mean come on. Look at what some of you folks are saying.

I think the vast majority are upset becuase of the lack of proper dialog choices.  If you romanced Liara and she does her talk about how she gave you to Cerberus because she couldn't let you go, you should have more to respond to her with then "It's ok, because my mission is important" or "This is all your fault", at no point in any of the Liara dialog could Shepard even hint at how s/he felt, if that was the player's desire.

If you can't admit that something was wrong with the dialog choices then you are being biased, and people refusing to acknowledge this and constantly telling people the appearance was fine, they will get a big role next game, just ticks a lot of people off.  "Yeah, I think they could have done a lot better, they did screw that up, but cross your finger's it will get explained or fixed later." , would go a long way to make people stop argueing.

[SurfaceBeneath]

MassAffected wrote...
I also see why BioWare did what they did with them in the second and I'm not upset with them nor do I feel like they have "kicked me in the nuts" or "gave me the finger"...I mean come on. Look at what some of you folks are saying.

I've been barking up that tree since several months before ME2 came out. Don't expect to convince many people who feel this way that their feelings are unjustified. It just leads to a lot of shouting back and forth

[WilliamShatner]

MassAffected wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

aznsoisauce wrote...

Lord Coake wrote...

Deztyn wrote...

There's a difference between being a squadmate and love interest and having a role in the actual plot. The ME2 characters may get the former, but they can't have the latter. Liara is guarenteed to live. Either Ash and Kaidan will live and they're functionally interchangeable. None of the ME2 characters can have the significance they can in the next game.

With the probable exceptions being Garrus and Tali.

Probable?

I'm very pro Garrus and Tali in ME3, but neither are very significant plot wise after picking them up in the Citadel in ME1. However, that doesn't make them less significant to Shepard.

I don't understand the animosity from some ME1 LI supporters. Ash/Kaidan and Liara are guaranteed for ME3 and those characters have been significant to the plot thus far. So what if they weren't in ME2? That means they can't die. Garrus and Tali can (and the rest of the ME2 squad, of course), so their supporters are justifiably worried about what role they'll play in ME3 if at all.

People waited two years to continue their adventures with these characters and instead they got a kick in the nuts. That's the so what.

As for being "important to plot" - overrated.  I'm sure if you ask any of the characters' fans whether they would want them as a squad mate with lots of dialogue and interaction or a minor role that is "important to plot" they would pick the squad mate.

Also I would say Tali's role will turn out to be pretty damn significant. to the story the quarian/geth plot is played out where people think it's going.

I still fail to see the issue...I loved ME1 and I loved the characters. We got 2 out of the possible 5 back and Wrex has an extremely important role as the leader of his clan. I actually enjoyed Liara's missions in ME2, what little there were and was happy to see Kaiden doing his own thing. You have to realize and look at it in the context of the game. Sheppard was dead for 2 years...people aren't just going to sit around and wait hoping that he might magically come back...they move on with their lives.

And at the same time as Sheppard you can't expect them to drop everything and run off to save the galaxy with you just because you're back. Thats why I understood Liara's plight against the Shadow Broker and Kaiden's attitude towards me and Cerberus. They have their own problems to deal with.

I can see why fans of those characters would be slightly miffed, but look at the bigger picture. The first two games are setting the stage for the final battle. Instead of ranting on how ME2 characters and LIs should get the shaft we should instead band together and beg/plead/threaten BioWare to expand on ALL aspects of the previous two games.

That would infer that I think Shepard dying at the beginning of the game was a good idea.  I don't.

Ashley/Kaidan's and Liara's role in ME2 is akin to Han Solo being frozen in carbonite in Empire Strike Back after two minutes and Lucas telling fans come back in three years to see him in Return of the Jedi!  And yes, we might have gotten Han back in ROTJ but we would still have missed all his scenes and development in Empire.

[Nozybidaj]

MassAffected wrote...
...snip....

Fine, whatever.  BW is going to do whatever they want regardless of what the fans think anyway.  I've shown my displeasure in the entire direction ME2 took.  You obviously don't care about it.  Nothing we can do about it except wat ANOTHER two years now to see what BW is going to do with it. <_<

[Nozybidaj]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

MassAffected wrote...
I also see why BioWare did what they did with them in the second and I'm not upset with them nor do I feel like they have "kicked me in the nuts" or "gave me the finger"...I mean come on. Look at what some of you folks are saying.

I've been barking up that tree since several months before ME2 came out. Don't expect to convince many people who feel this way that their feelings are unjustified. It just leads to a lot of shouting back and forth

Why do you feel the need to convince me my feelings are unjustified?  Why aren't YOUR feelings the ones that are unjustified?

[MassAffected]

Sharn01 wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

MassAffected wrote...

I still fail to see the issue...I loved ME1 and I loved the characters. We got 2 out of the possible 5 back and Wrex has an extremely important role as the leader of his clan. I actually enjoyed Liara's missions in ME2, what little there were and was happy to see Kaiden doing his own thing. You have to realize and look at it in the context of the game. Sheppard was dead for 2 years...people aren't just going to sit around and wait hoping that he might magically come back...they move on with their lives.

Do you even know why Liara is the way she is in ME2?

I've read part of the comics that lead into it, it might have something to do with the Drell that was helping her out. So, no, I don't know exactly why she is the way she is. Does it matter? Its all part of the bigger picture. The only rationalle that I can honestly see behind you being upset is that YOU didn't get what you wanted so now you're mad. Like I've said, I really enjoyed Liara and Kaiden in the first game...I even had them in my party every single time I beat the game. I also see why BioWare did what they did with them in the second and I'm not upset with them nor do I feel like they have "kicked me in the nuts" or "gave me the finger"...I mean come on. Look at what some of you folks are saying.

I think the vast majority are upset becuase of the lack of proper dialog choices.  If you romanced Liara and she does her talk about how she gave you to Cerberus because she couldn't let you go, you should have more to respond to her with then "It's ok, because my mission is important" or "This is all your fault", at no point in any of the Liara dialog could Shepard even hint at how s/he felt, if that was the player's desire.

If you can't admit that something was wrong with the dialog choices then you are being biased, and people refusing to acknowledge this and constantly telling people the appearance was fine, they will get a big role next game, just ticks a lot of people off.  "Yeah, I think they could have done a lot better, they did screw that up, but cross your finger's it will get explained or fixed later." , would go a long way to make people stop argueing.

I agree about the dialog choices. Never really thought about it like that. Still, and you've explained it in a previous post, I think this attitude of "we want you guys to get shafted like we did with our ME1 LIs" is rather silly. I really hope that ME3 gives those fans what they are looking for, just like I hope that it delivers for those of us that went after the ME2 LIs.

[Nozybidaj]

WilliamShatner wrote...

That would infer that I think Shepard dying at the beginning of the game was a good idea.  I don't.

Ashley/Kaidan's and Liara's role in ME2 is akin to Han Solo being frozen in carbonite in Empire Strike Back after two minutes and Lucas telling fans come back in three years to see him in Return of the Jedi!  And yes, we might have gotten Han back in ROTJ but we would still have missed all his scenes and development in Empire.

Or not having Han in Empire at all, then creating a comic book where he gets frozen in carbonite, then have Jedi open with saving Han who is now, frozen in carbonite.  Lucas would have been laughed out of the film industry.

[Deztyn]

Reposting because my edit probably got lost in the new posts

Nozybidaj wrote...

And another thing. They are not on "even footing" anymore. In fact if they are the LI you are actually a game behind now thanks to the reset on the romances. The ME2 Li's are ready to roll right into ME3 full speed ahead while those with an ME1 LI will have to retread the whole romance just to get back to where they ME2 LI's currently are. So unless the ME1 Li's are going to get twice the content the ME2 Li's get they are always going to end up further behind in progression of their story.

Two games for the original characters, two games for the ME2 characters. (Three for the fan favorites.)



And I would imagine that if you chose to be faithful to your ME1 love interest it won't matter much that you were apart for one game. They might very well just decide to pick up where they left off. No retread required. At least no more retreading than would be required for Kaidan/Ash/Liara after two years without Shepard.

[MassAffected]

Nozybidaj wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

MassAffected wrote...
I also see why BioWare did what they did with them in the second and I'm not upset with them nor do I feel like they have "kicked me in the nuts" or "gave me the finger"...I mean come on. Look at what some of you folks are saying.

I've been barking up that tree since several months before ME2 came out. Don't expect to convince many people who feel this way that their feelings are unjustified. It just leads to a lot of shouting back and forth

Why do you feel the need to convince me my feelings are unjustified?  Why aren't YOUR feelings the ones that are unjustified?

*sigh* I think that you feeling upset and let down by what you thought would happen is perfectly fine. Like I said, I hope that you get what you're looking for in ME3 and I also hope that you can at least extend that same courtesy to those of us that want more for our ME2 LIs. Best wishes, but I really don't want to argue.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Nozybidaj wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

MassAffected wrote...
I also see why BioWare did what they did with them in the second and I'm not upset with them nor do I feel like they have "kicked me in the nuts" or "gave me the finger"...I mean come on. Look at what some of you folks are saying.

I've been barking up that tree since several months before ME2 came out. Don't expect to convince many people who feel this way that their feelings are unjustified. It just leads to a lot of shouting back and forth

Why do you feel the need to convince me my feelings are unjustified?  Why aren't YOUR feelings the ones that are unjustified?

See, already with the accusations!

And that was me just being glib. What I meant to say was, "Don't try to convince them that there might have been a very good reason for why certain characters were handled in a specific way that will lead to the overall enrichment of the plot as a whole by the third game"

Again, yelling and insulting and all that good internet drama.

[Nozybidaj]

Deztyn wrote...

Reposting because my edit probably got lost in the new posts

Nozybidaj wrote...
And another thing. They are not on "even footing" anymore. In fact if they are the LI you are actually a game behind now thanks to the reset on the romances. The ME2 Li's are ready to roll right into ME3 full speed ahead while those with an ME1 LI will have to retread the whole romance just to get back to where they ME2 LI's currently are. So unless the ME1 Li's are going to get twice the content the ME2 Li's get they are always going to end up further behind in progression of their story.

Two games for the original characters, two games for the ME2 characters. (Three for the fan favorites.)

And I would imagine that if you chose to be faithful to your ME1 love interest it won't matter much that you were apart for one game. They might very well just decide to pick up where they left off. No retread required. At least no more retreading than would be required for Kaidan/Ash/Liara after two years without Shepard.

So after over two years, the brush offs, the bad meetings, and them turning their back on Shep they are just gonna run up at the begining of ME3 all smiles and hugs and kisses?

[MassAffected]

Deztyn wrote...

Reposting because my edit probably got lost in the new posts

Nozybidaj wrote...
And another thing. They are not on "even footing" anymore. In fact if they are the LI you are actually a game behind now thanks to the reset on the romances. The ME2 Li's are ready to roll right into ME3 full speed ahead while those with an ME1 LI will have to retread the whole romance just to get back to where they ME2 LI's currently are. So unless the ME1 Li's are going to get twice the content the ME2 Li's get they are always going to end up further behind in progression of their story.

Two games for the original characters, two games for the ME2 characters. (Three for the fan favorites.)

And I would imagine that if you chose to be faithful to your ME1 love interest it won't matter much that you were apart for one game. They might very well just decide to pick up where they left off. No retread required. At least no more retreading than would be required for Kaidan/Ash/Liara after two years without Shepard.

Yeah, Liara didn't seem to need any convincing when she laid one on Sheppard if you romanced her. The fire and feelings are still there, but there are pressing issues that must be dealt with before they can continue their relationship with Sheppard. Errr, but I'm slipping back into the argument again...sooo I'll just excuse myself here.

[Nozybidaj]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

there might have been a very good reason for why certain characters were handled in a specific way that will lead to the overall enrichment of the plot as a whole by the third game"

So back to the "oh sorry, just wait two more years again and it'll all be good lolz" excuse again?

[Nozybidaj]

MassAffected wrote...

Yeah, Liara didn't seem to need any convincing when she laid one on Sheppard if you romanced her. The fire and feelings are still there, but there are pressing issues that must be dealt with before they can continue their relationship with Sheppard. Errr, but I'm slipping back into the argument again...sooo I'll just excuse myself here.

Agreed, so why not deal with them instead of shelving them?  Now I have to spend the last chapter of the trilogy "dealing" with them before they can "continue their relationship".  Gee thanks, I'm just a tingle.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Nozybidaj wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

there might have been a very good reason for why certain characters were handled in a specific way that will lead to the overall enrichment of the plot as a whole by the third game"

So back to the "oh sorry, just wait two more years again and it'll all be good lolz" excuse again?

Who's sorry? I certainly would not be sorry as an author if I decided that keeping a character in a minimal role for 1/3 of a story resulted in the enrichment of my story.

[Nozybidaj]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

there might have been a very good reason for why certain characters were handled in a specific way that will lead to the overall enrichment of the plot as a whole by the third game"

So back to the "oh sorry, just wait two more years again and it'll all be good lolz" excuse again?

Who's sorry? I certainly would not be sorry as an author if I decided that keeping a character in a minimal role for 1/3 of a story resulted in the enrichment of my story.

Same way they shouldn't be sorry shelving the ME2 crew in ME3 if it "enriches the story"?