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[Cuthlan]

Viglin wrote...

Trefalen wrote...

Well for me it's just another reason not to buy DA:A, unless he is not critical and can be parked like I did in DA:O. My main groups were Lelianna, Wynne, Alistair and myself. The rest gathered dust. I did their side quests just to finish the game, otherwise they could leave and I wouldn't care. In fact I'm tempted on the next go round to dump those I don't use just to see how it ends up lol

Shoulda known it would be him, ugh.. Romance bad, crude and socially unacceptable, yep that sells games. Beer hall mentality. I bet they add "*burp* hey pull my finger.." Ohhhhhhhhh wait they did that when Lelianna thought he was mourning Branka's death.  and can we have more of Ohgren saying "Yeah I'd do her.." (his reference to Wynne) Really made me cringe, is that what bioware thinks is funny? To be honest, that's just sad..

So you basically enjoy one dimensional goody two-shoe types who have barely a concept on the real world?
Lelianna-Maker this maker that, who once had the high life
Wynne-Dotting old mother who is a high member of the Circle
Alistair-Whine whine whine, who lived in a Castle and ends up....no Spoilers allowed

I find it amusing that in a later post your talk about enjoying "deep characters".

By the way, lm 38 years old, father of 3...so dont even try that "beer hall mentatily" on me. Id rather hang with a guy whose a common warrior whose known loss and betrayl and yet spends 2 years trying to save the one he loves vs the Holy Trio your pinying over.

Easy there, puddin'-pop I like all of the companions, but that group she mentioned was my "main" group as well. Being good doesn't make you one-dimensional.

[Trefalen]

Viglin, goody goodies? Wynne is a malificar and a amourous older lady (re: comment in RTO), Lelianna is an assassin, and Alistair is the heir to the throne you're trying to defend. ROFLMAO The catch phrase for the game was "All heroes are not pure".


Oh btw Cuthlan it's HE LOL

Modifié par Trefalen, 04 mars 2010 - 10:55 .

[kwillag]

They have been working on Awakenings for about a year, I don't see why they couldn't have written dialogue for all previous companions, and have them be available based on your over all choices. So those that had Leliana stay with them at the end (instead of going off to Orlais) would have that choice. I also don't see any reason why Dog isn't there (unless you killed him to begin with or just never got him) as a ready available loyal companion. Ohgren is a bit of a shallow character and I do hope that they make him a deeper person in awakenings, whilst still having the jokes.

[Trefalen]

I'm reading Ohgren is a daddy, hopefully he has dried out and didn't try drinking a barrel of pickel juice. I've also been reading all the flack bioware has/is getting over same sex relationships, (googled Bioware) and there is a firestorm of stuff out there, they probably said give romance a rest and let things to die down. Which makes me think it may never return.

It's funny to be sure, that a game where beheading is frequent in battle and people worry about what they do back in camp. The world is a funny place, scary, and wonderful and funny.. "Go kill everything that moves, just make sure there's no..ugh.. kissing involved" ROFLMAO!

Maybe it's my age, I'm over 50 and perhaps I just don't know what's hip anymore.

Modifié par Trefalen, 04 mars 2010 - 10:57 .

[Viglin]

Trefalen wrote...

Viglin, goody goodies? Wynne is a malificar and a amourous older lady (re: comment in RTO), Lelianna is an assassin, and Alistair is the heir to the throne you're trying to defend. ROFLMAO The catch phrase for the game was "All heroes are not pure".


Oh btw Cuthlan it's HE LOL

Actually, thats Morrigan your thinking of. And while she might have a spark to her, shes still a goody goody.

Lelianna is a retired assassin and now a servant of the Maker who berates you on almost anything thats not holy in outlook.

And what does Alistair being heir to the throne have to do with him being a whine who if he wasnt a central story character, would have left the Warden for the choices he/she has to make.

[Cuthlan]

You could argue that Wynne is an abomination, though. It's not a demon, but based on the spirit warrior specialization comments about the templars, that might not mean much to them.

[BlazingSpeed]

Trefalen wrote...

Well for me it's just another reason not to buy DA:A, unless he is not critical and can be parked like I did in DA:O. My main groups were Lelianna, Wynne, Alistair and myself. The rest gathered dust. I did their side quests just to finish the game, otherwise they could leave and I wouldn't care. In fact I'm tempted on the next go round to dump those I don't use just to see how it ends up lol

Shoulda known it would be him, ugh.. Romance bad, crude and socially unacceptable, yep that sells games. Beer hall mentality. I bet they add "*burp* hey pull my finger.." Ohhhhhhhhh wait they did that when Lelianna thought he was mourning Branka's death.  and can we have more of Ohgren saying "Yeah I'd do her.." (his reference to Wynne) Really made me cringe, is that what bioware thinks is funny? To be honest, that's just sad..

Ugh, Ohgren really says that about Wynne?

And yeah for the time I had Ohgren with me was a bunch of stale jokes...even Sten was more interesting than comedy relief Ohgren.

[Behindyounow]

Trefalen wrote...

I'm reading Ohgren is a daddy, hopefully he has dried out and didn't try drinking a barrel of pickel juice. I've also been reading all the flack bioware has/is getting over same sex relationships, (googled Bioware) and there is a firestorm of stuff out there, they probably said give romance a rest and let things to die down. Which makes me think it may never return.

Or y'know, its an expansion pack, and they didn't want to try and shoehorn a ridiculously short romance in.

Modifié par Behindyounow, 06 mars 2010 - 07:38 .

[Ryzaki]

Viglin wrote...

Trefalen wrote...

Well for me it's just another reason not to buy DA:A, unless he is not critical and can be parked like I did in DA:O. My main groups were Lelianna, Wynne, Alistair and myself. The rest gathered dust. I did their side quests just to finish the game, otherwise they could leave and I wouldn't care. In fact I'm tempted on the next go round to dump those I don't use just to see how it ends up lol

Shoulda known it would be him, ugh.. Romance bad, crude and socially unacceptable, yep that sells games. Beer hall mentality. I bet they add "*burp* hey pull my finger.." Ohhhhhhhhh wait they did that when Lelianna thought he was mourning Branka's death.  and can we have more of Ohgren saying "Yeah I'd do her.." (his reference to Wynne) Really made me cringe, is that what bioware thinks is funny? To be honest, that's just sad..

So you basically enjoy one dimensional goody two-shoe types who have barely a concept on the real world?
Lelianna-Maker this maker that, who once had the high life
Wynne-Dotting old mother who is a high member of the Circle
Alistair-Whine whine whine, who lived in a Castle and ends up....no Spoilers allowed

I find it amusing that in a later post your talk about enjoying "deep characters".

By the way, lm 38 years old, father of 3...so dont even try that "beer hall mentatily" on me. Id rather hang with a guy whose a common warrior whose known loss and betrayl and yet spends 2 years trying to save the one he loves vs the Holy Trio your pinying over.

*facepalms*

Yeah Oghren's really deep compared to those three. Fat burping drunk that makes crude jokes. Oh yay!

See I can make up a BS argument too!

...and you obviously know didn't get to know Leliana very well.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 06 mars 2010 - 07:41 .

[MorGothic]

@ Trefalen

Considering you seem to think Oghren's character it nothing more then a drunk, crude Dwarf tells me you have never taken him to the Guntlet with you or seen his Nightmare in the Fade which like nearly all of the character's is where you gain the most insight into them. Yet you seem to dismiss Oghren as a one dimensional character which like the rest of the compainions he is not.

If we treat the other character's like you treat Oghren the list would look something like this:-

Alister - Paladin type (with a sense of humor)
Morrigan - Cold Hearted ****
Sten - Silent humorless warrior
Lianna - sweet, innocent, religious
Zevren - cold blood assassin
Wynne - Wise, Grandmotherly

Considering none of these character's personalities are that simple I dont see why you belive Oghren's is. I have no problems with people not liking characters (I personally don't like Wynne), providing they have got to know the character. For example; how many people didn't like Sten on their first playthrough because he seemed to disapprove of everything they said and did? Yet when they understood his personalitily he became one of their favourite compainions? I know that it's true for me.

I could go on and do the rest of the charcters you haven't bothered to get to know, but I'm not going to becuase I can't be bothered.

Modifié par MorGothic, 06 mars 2010 - 08:24 .

[whodawhanow]

The funny thing is is that those people that are dismissing Oghren's writing/dialogue must never have met those exact type of people IRL. While the dialogue isn't very hard to do, the realism of having an drunken lecher is fantastic.



My first group was Alistair, Morrigan, Wynne. My current group is Sten, Morrigan, Leilana. I wouldn't mind using Oghren instead of Sten, but it takes soo long to get him.

[Viglin]

Ryzaki wrote...

Viglin wrote...

Trefalen wrote...

Well for me it's just another reason not to buy DA:A, unless he is not critical and can be parked like I did in DA:O. My main groups were Lelianna, Wynne, Alistair and myself. The rest gathered dust. I did their side quests just to finish the game, otherwise they could leave and I wouldn't care. In fact I'm tempted on the next go round to dump those I don't use just to see how it ends up lol

Shoulda known it would be him, ugh.. Romance bad, crude and socially unacceptable, yep that sells games. Beer hall mentality. I bet they add "*burp* hey pull my finger.." Ohhhhhhhhh wait they did that when Lelianna thought he was mourning Branka's death.  and can we have more of Ohgren saying "Yeah I'd do her.." (his reference to Wynne) Really made me cringe, is that what bioware thinks is funny? To be honest, that's just sad..

So you basically enjoy one dimensional goody two-shoe types who have barely a concept on the real world?
Lelianna-Maker this maker that, who once had the high life
Wynne-Dotting old mother who is a high member of the Circle
Alistair-Whine whine whine, who lived in a Castle and ends up....no Spoilers allowed

I find it amusing that in a later post your talk about enjoying "deep characters".

By the way, lm 38 years old, father of 3...so dont even try that "beer hall mentatily" on me. Id rather hang with a guy whose a common warrior whose known loss and betrayl and yet spends 2 years trying to save the one he loves vs the Holy Trio your pinying over.

*facepalms*

Yeah Oghren's really deep compared to those three. Fat burping drunk that makes crude jokes. Oh yay!

See I can make up a BS argument too!

...and you obviously know didn't get to know Leliana very well.

You mean, after getting her to kill her ex mentor/lover, hardening her and then having a 4-four at the tavern with her, Zev, the female pirate/duelist trainer and myself....and still dont get a gift from her.
Yup, didnt get to know her at all......

Dont give up your day job Sherlock.

[Viglin]

MorGothic wrote...

@ Trefalen

Considering you seem to think Oghren's character it nothing more then a drunk, crude Dwarf tells me you have never taken him to the Guntlet with you or seen his Nightmare in the Fade which like nearly all of the character's is where you gain the most insight into them. Yet you seem to dismiss Oghren as a one dimensional character which like the rest of the compainions he is not.

If we treat the other character's like you treat Oghren the list would look something like this:-

Alister - Paladin type (with a sense of humor)
Morrigan - Cold Hearted ****
Sten - Silent humorless warrior
Lianna - sweet, innocent, religious
Zevren - cold blood assassin
Wynne - Wise, Grandmotherly

Considering none of these character's personalities are that simple I dont see why you belive Oghren's is. I have no problems with people not liking characters (I personally don't like Wynne), providing they have got to know the character. For example; how many people didn't like Sten on their first playthrough because he seemed to disapprove of everything they said and did? Yet when they understood his personalitily he became one of their favourite compainions? I know that it's true for me.

I could go on and do the rest of the charcters you haven't bothered to get to know, but I'm not going to becuase I can't be bothered.

Well said sir.

[Vim]

Giltspur wrote...

Morrigan is probably already in Orlais. (All her endings push her towards it.)

Morrigan only ends up in Orlais if both a) the player -never- had sex with her -AND- the ritual wasn't performed.  That isn't all her endings, it isn't even half of them.  In most of her endings she's pregnant with a child that is either the player's, Alistair's or Loghain's.  But I agree with you that there isn't appropriate for Morrigan to be in Awakening. That's what DA 2 is for.

Leliana can easily get there from her endings.

Leliana -only- travels to Orlais if she isn't in love with the pc -AND- Marjolaine is still alive. If she's in love with the pc she stays with the pc, and if he wants to rebuild the wardens she helps him rebuild the wardens in Amaranthine. If he wants to travel she travels with him. If he marries Anora (and is hardened) she becomes his mistress.  If Marjolaine is dead and she's hardened but not in love with the pc, Leliana starts an investigation into the Darkspawn.  If she's in a romance with a pc then he can offer to help her out with that investigation and she'll tell she'd like that.  The majority of Leliana's endings not only are conducive to placing her in Amaranthine (or in the deep roads below) with the warden, but it turns into something of a surprise that she isn't involved if you've gotten one of those endings. And that's why there are quite a few frustrated players who had expected Leliana would be joining them.

So they're probably being saved for Dragon Age 2, which I'm guessing will be in Orlais.

Given that none of the outcomes for Morrigan that say she's pregnant say that she's heading for Orlais I don't buy that.  It's only the single ending where she isn't pregnant that she gets connected to Orlais.

Wynne can be in Awakenings. She's just not in your party.

Wynne always leaves to do her own thing.  One of those possibilities is travelling with Sten back to his homeland believe it or not. So she's one of the characters I'd least expect to see in Awakenings.

Sten is going to his homeland. So he can't be in Amaranthine.

agreed.

Alistair is king or dead or drunk or something else.

Not necessarily. If you kill Loghain and pick Anora for Queen then Alistair remains a Grey Warden and talks about rebuilding them with you. 

With some imports he could be in your party, sure. But given that he's king in a lot of games, he's not worth the investment as a party member in this expansion with limited slots for recruitable npc's.

But yes, I agree with you that he ends up King in a lot, perhaps even most of the games. So that might disqualify him. Then again that didn't stop his father King Maric from going off on his adventure in Dragon Age: The Calling.

Zevran, Dog, Oghren, Shale, Wynne are the only real options Bioware had.

I disagree on Wynne for the reason I mentioned earlier.  I also believe Leliana should be added back into the list as well.  The only reason why Oghren works is because you didn't get a chance to reject him the way you did Leliana or kill him the way you did Zevran or Alistair.  Bioware has no excuse for not including Dog however, and I'm still a bit disappointed that after establishing such a great plot hook to include Leliana (the darkspawn investigation)  they didn't execute on it.

Modifié par Vim, 07 mars 2010 - 07:53 .

[MassEffect762]

kwillag wrote...

They have been working on Awakenings for about a year, I don't see why they couldn't have written dialogue for all previous companions, and have them be available based on your over all choices. So those that had Leliana stay with them at the end (instead of going off to Orlais) would have that choice. I also don't see any reason why Dog isn't there (unless you killed him to begin with or just never got him) as a ready available loyal companion. Ohgren is a bit of a shallow character and I do hope that they make him a deeper person in awakenings, whilst still having the jokes.

A) Bioware genuienly(sp?) wanted to go this direction.

$$$$$$$

I thinks it's abit of both with "B" being dominant.

I'll play it and enjoy it regardless.


Also as hard as I tried to "accept" Ohgren I just couldn't do it, he's not my kind of character. I look down on drunks and clowns in general.

Modifié par MassEffect762, 07 mars 2010 - 07:51 .

[Vicious]

Leliana crybabies make me LOL. Sorry!

[Ryzaki]

Viglin wrote...

Dont give up your day job Sherlock.

Yeah you too.
Oghren is really deep he is really deep indeed [/sarcasm] So deep that he makes the rest of the group look like kiddy pools. <_<

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 mars 2010 - 08:25 .

[Giltspur]

To Vim.

On Morrigan's pregnant endings, it mentions she's crossing Frostback Mountains. I infer from that she's heading Westward, which would put her in Orlais. The game doesn't confirm it. It's just what I get out of it. In some endings she's already in Orlais. In the other endings she's traveling in that direction.

As for Leliana, I only mean to suggest she can get to Orlais from all her endings--not that she's already there. She only has one ending that already puts her in Orlais, it's true. The others (ignoring the suicide one) are short-term endings: they talk about something she's going to do at the moment. Continue traveling with the warden for awhile. Stay in Denerim with Warden for the time being. Lead some templars to Andraste's Ashes. Investigate Darkspawn. But none of that stuff is until the end of time. So it leaves Bioware free to put her wherever they want should they want to continue her character. I'm guessing they'll put her wherever Dragon Age 2 is. (Which I further guess is going to be Orlais.)

As for the Leliana and Zevren endings that involve rebuilding the Wardens, yeah, those are the tough ones to explain away. I mean, given the lack of time stamps on most of the endings you can sort of make the story work in your head in terms of getting to Awakenings. But those two are awkward.

EDIT: To Eli, yeah US ending + Leliana romance = suicide.  Or at least it sure reads like suicide even though it doesn't call it that.  I've heard if you "harden "her but do US ending, she doesn't commit suicide.  Am not sure though.

Modifié par Giltspur, 07 mars 2010 - 08:45 .

[Ponce de Leon]

You do know Oghren was probably chosen as the returning favorite before any of us could have played Origins, yes? An old favorite doesn't mean THE old favorite either. In fact, I am pretty sure THE old favorite is nonexistent. At least one person will hate someone in the game... except Sergeant Kylon... don't see why he would be hated by someone.

[Wompoo]

Make Oghren a Warden? no way, all I want to do is stab Duncan in the face with a rusty spoon for poisoning me. So, no to Warden slavery.