Sabriana wrote...
I can see your point, Helios. However, this is not a real world. There are races abound who think the maker and Andraste are a crock. Or that the maker is not a true god. Although I'm not a catholic, not by a long shot, I would never do a thing like that because I know that Catholics revere that symbol and it means much to them.
A dwarf wouldn't know diddly about the 'maker' and 'Andraste'. Sten could care less about that particular religion and might even revile it. A dalish has no cause to value the chantry, quite the contrary. A mage might resent the chantry and the whole Andraste worship as the cause of her life-long imprisonment. This is a holy relic only to those who believe in it. To others it's a waste bin. Nothing more. Wynne is called an agnositc. Why does she attempt to destroy the two GWs, the only hope for Ferelden at this point. In doing so she would rather doom the whole of the country than just accept the leader's actions. She can rant and rave later. After the Blight. By trying to kill the only hope for her country she is willing to sacrifice it - all of it. Sacrifice it for a believe that she herself claims is not hers. Everything will die, including the mages. Including herself if she doesn't make it to Orlais, Antiva, or anywhere else in time.
Also a good response. Certainly food for thought, but I don't think you give the other races enough credit.
A dwarf would know about the Maker and Andraste. Granted, their knowledge probably amounts to, "Oh, those are the guys the silly humans above revere as gods."
The Dalish, I think, possess more intimate knowledge of Andraste and the Maker, both because they marched with Andraste against the Tevinter Imperium, and through their war againts the Chantry.
They may not believe in the Maker or his bride, but they know enough about the religion to single the Urn of Sacred Ashes out as a religious artifact that many people treasure... espectially with Genitivi giving you the basic run-down.
Desecrating the ashes because you're a dwarf or elf, to me, is no different than an atheist spray-painting the walls of a church. Just because you don't believe in something, or are of a different race, doesn't mean you receive a 'get out of jail' free card for soiling a holy relic.
I'm not trying to say that you shouldn't desecrate the urn--it completely boils down to the character you're playing--but Wynne's reaction really shouldn't come as a surprise if you do.
Typically, an agnostic is someone who is skeptical of the existence of 'God' (in this case, the Maker), but they do not profess true atheism. You can be agnostic and believe in a higher power, it just means you question that higher power's involvement in your life, and whether or not you'd ever be capable of truly 'knowing' it. An agnostic is also someone who believes that people are limited by their experiences.
I can see how finding Andraste's ashes--the experience of being there, in that moment--would compel a person with agnostic beliefs to truly believe in the Maker's bride. People will change their minds at the drop of a hat for certain things.
And I think it's good character development. I like it when characters evolve, even when it's for religious purposes.
@Helios:
Would you believe that most people aren't clear on why they were rioting? XD
Obviously they were protesting the Olympics. I know there are some people who disliked the idea of hosting such an event during a 'time of financial unrest', but whether or not that was the true purpose of breaking windows and damaging people's cars... I have no idea, especially since later reports claimed these anarchist protestors (that's what they were) came from America. Why would they care about our financial stability? xD
It must have been something else.
Modifié par MorningBird, 06 mars 2010 - 01:18 .
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