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[ejoslin]

I promise everyone, people who don't like Wynne are NOT dissing your grandma. I promise.

[Ramante]

Schwinni wrote...

No, she isn't joking. She really picks on Alistair heavily. This is disgusting for Emilia.

I agree. It is completely inappropriate for the situation and it is even worse if you are romancing Alistair.

The problem with Wynne is (my point of view) that she has a weird image of a Grey Warden. According to her a Warden should have the Blight on his mind and nothing else. Besides that he is not allowed to do anything that is 'evil'; blood magic, destroying the urn etc. I agree with the fact that the romance lecture is terrible, she is not my mother and I don't want her to lecture me. If you are rude to her about the romance she starts saying that the Warden is acting like a child. Wynne sometimes act likes the Warden can't think for his own and needs her to point him/her in the right direction. Something that I find very annoying.

[Noir201]

Sorry errant i'm fine with her, and must admit, she does grow on you if you give her time.

[Archereon]

Ejosolin: If you suggested something to someone, and they basically said **** you, wouldn't you be at least a BIT annoyed even if they went and followed your suggestion? Its like in all those crappy cartoons when a character suggests something, another tells them to shut up and let them think, then "comes up" with the original idea pretending it was theirs.

[barkingM1]

Herr Uhl wrote...



Hush, people from abominable Wynne thread are on the prowl.

I don't get it either. It's mostly due to her being set in her ways, she is the second oldest party-member after all. And of course her advising you not to have relationships.

See our eyes reflecting green in the campfire before we pounce . .  .

[Charsen]

filaminstrel wrote...
So are there griffons or not?

If she talked more about griffons, then my warden would totally be down for some storytime at Wynne's camp  

[Herr Uhl]

There is one major thing going for Wynne, she hates Cammen.

[Curlain]

ejoslin wrote...

Archereon wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Archereon wrote...

 I don't get why so many players list Wynne as one of their least favorite characters...

Sure she lectures you a lot if your a renegade (using ME alignments here for lack of a better word, seeing as the PC of Dragon age can never really be evil.) character, but for White Knight characters (like most of mine), Wynne can be one of the nicest characters in the game.

No, she just lectures.  She has zero faith that the Warden will live up to the picture Wynne has in her mind how Wardens are supposed to behave.  And her morals?  Well, she says the right thing but . ..  Try this.  Go to the Slavers with her, get to the point where Caladrius is nearly dead and wants to make a deal with you.  Wynne will give her opinion on the matter.  Tell her to keep her opinions to herself.  Do exactly what she agrees with.  Watch her disapprove for -18 anyway.

She worries more about being viewed as a wise counselor than you actually following her advice.  -18 approval for telling her to be quiet during an obviously tense moment.

...What game are you playing, I have a Warden on which her only lecture is the romance lecture, which she apologizes for later when you complete the romance.  

Did you read the rest of my post?  And if you want to just stick with the romance, given how LATE the Zevran romance turns to love (which is actually what triggers the apology), that's a long time to stay judgemental.  Especially with how early it can switch to adore.

To be fair though, that's more game mechanics then an accurate estimate on how judgemental Wynne is being (if the Zevran romance enabled it to turn to love earlier, she would adjust her option more quickly)

[Addai]

Herr Uhl wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: It's actually kind of funny how often Zevran and Wynne agree on things, but Zevran is far more vocal and convincing in his pleas.

If Wynne was an male elf that tried gave you earrings and sexytime, she'd probably be about as convincing 

Sure, that's all it boils down to.  Not that we actually have some original thoughts on the character or anything.

[Addai]

Maybe because I'm not much of a gamer, I don't understand the itch to "align" characters. I generally play noble-minded characters and though I liked Wynne as an NPC and team member at first, that changed over multiple playthroughs. What's the opposite of a character growing on you? Whatever it is, that's what happened.



But I don't really care to repeat all the reasons here when they're discussed in the other thread.

[Cuddlezarro]

Herr Uhl wrote...

There is one major thing going for Wynne, she hates Cammen.

[Freckles04]

I generally like Wynne. She's not perfect, and perhaps the worst thing about her is that she portrays herself as a wise old woman when, really, she's almost as clueless as the rest of us. That's not to say her input isn't somewhat valuable, because I think it is. At the end of my first playthrough, it struck me that the whole purpose for Wynne in the game is to foreshadow the choices the PC has to make at endgame.

The differences between her romance lectures (Alistair Vs. Zevran) is remarkable. With Alistair, it's clear that she's simply concerned that one of you will be hurt. She comes across as geuinely liking the two of you, and especially Alistair (in a motherly way, of course). She doesn't mince words about Zevran, though; she heartily disapproves of him and my Dalish was quite surprised to be told she wasn't acting like a Grey Warden should. That was the first playthrough I'd ever had when I really didn't care much for her, but that fit with that PC and that game.

I also took Wynne's final banter with Alistair at RtO to be a joke--a little racy to remind him that she was old, not dead, and to smarten up. Again, not the most classy of times for that kind of rejoinder, but just more evidence that Wynne isn't perfect, as much as she would like others to believe so at times. And maybe the Fade Spirit is making her insane. That's what happens to abominations, yes?

[ejoslin]

Archereon wrote...

Ejosolin: If you suggested something to someone, and they basically said **** you, wouldn't you be at least a BIT annoyed even if they went and followed your suggestion? Its like in all those crappy cartoons when a character suggests something, another tells them to shut up and let them think, then "comes up" with the original idea pretending it was theirs.

But my warden DIDN'T say that.  She was doing her best in an extremely tense situation and Wynne tells her what to do, basically, not for the sake of the elves, mind you, but because she's so against blood magic.  So she told Wynne, in an unrude way, "Keep your opinions to yourself."  She did not do the blood magic ritual.  And -18 approval anyway.  -18!  She gives +4 for taking her to Anieran.  For bringing her peace from what has haunted her for years!

And no, Wynne asked to join, not the other way around.  She should have some faith in the warden's ability to make decisions, don't you think?

Edit: I really laughed so hard when I saw that -18 actually.  I was stunned!  I think the only time I've ever gotten a higher approval drop than that was when my warden laughed at Alistair when he gave her a rose.  Wow.  -18.

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 mars 2010 - 08:35 .

[Herr Uhl]

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: It's actually kind of funny how often Zevran and Wynne agree on things, but Zevran is far more vocal and convincing in his pleas.

If Wynne was an male elf that tried gave you earrings and sexytime, she'd probably be about as convincing 

Sure, that's all it boils down to.  Not that we actually have some original thoughts on the character or anything.

I jest, you surely must get that. And what makes your thoughts so much more original than anyone else's? And what does it matter if they are original at all?

[Darkannex]

It seems the Wynne anti-bandwagon is for what often comes across as hypocritical behavior. It's also an accumulation of meta-game knowledge. Resentments/loves from one playthrough can carry over to the next-and with Wynne I think it just snowballs.



The core eye-blinker for me is mage playthrough. She wants you to go back to the circle as a mage, wants an at peace Aneiran to go back to the circle that nearly killed him, but does not want to go back to the circle herself.

[Addai]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: It's actually kind of funny how often Zevran and Wynne agree on things, but Zevran is far more vocal and convincing in his pleas.

If Wynne was an male elf that tried gave you earrings and sexytime, she'd probably be about as convincing 

Sure, that's all it boils down to.  Not that we actually have some original thoughts on the character or anything.

I jest, you surely must get that. And what makes your thoughts so much more original than anyone else's? And what does it matter if they are original at all?

Because the OP implies that there is only one way to look at Wynne.  Unless, that is, you are eeeevil.

Sorry to be dense re. jesting etc... your emoticon looked sarcastic rather than smiley.

Modifié par Addai67, 04 mars 2010 - 08:40 .

[ejoslin]

Herr Uhl wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Edit: It's actually kind of funny how often Zevran and Wynne agree on things, but Zevran is far more vocal and convincing in his pleas.

If Wynne was an male elf that tried gave you earrings and sexytime, she'd probably be about as convincing 

Hmmm, if Zevran nagged like Wynne did, he'd probably not be getting that sexytime . . .

[Sabriana]

Wynne takes liberties she should not take. She has no right to lecture my PC about her romance, especially not in the way she goes about it.

She also is a hypocrite. I took her to Aneirin, and I thought my game glitched. She actually tried to convince the man to rejoin an organization that went after him, almost mortally wounded him and left him for dead, even though he made a point in telling everyone that he was at peace now.

She also tries to make the mageWarden to go back to the tower. What's up with that? She certainly doesn't want to go back there, not unless she's given power to rule there. Or have I not read the epilogues right?

Herr Uhl. Wynne as a sexyshmexy elf? Are you trying to give me nightmares? Rofl.

[blademaster7]

You guys really shouldn't use Wynne's "you're quite taken with each other" speech as an argument.

Did you try romancing Morrigan? Or how about the Ultimate sacrifice when romancing Leliana? Yeah... I did both and I felt terrible for making Wynne apologize to me because she was absolutely right.

With that said, I didn't like her preachy attitute. Nobody does. But at least I respect the fact that she tried to warn me, regardless of whether she really cared about me getting hurt or not(and Leliana for that case).

There are dozens of other preachy lines that can make Wynne look like a terrible charactrer. Use those.

Modifié par blademaster7, 04 mars 2010 - 09:04 .

[Cuddlezarro]

fun fact:none of us where using Morrigans, Leliena and Alistairs for a reason

she comes off as concerned for either you, your lover or both of you in those talks

the same cant be said about her conversation about Zevran,,,oh and we also have an entire topic dedicated to why we dont like wynn and its more than just the romance advise

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 04 mars 2010 - 09:09 .

[ejoslin]

blademaster7 wrote...

You guys really shouldn't use Wynne's "you're quite taken with each other" speech as an argument.

Did you try romancing Morrigan? Or did you go for the Ultimate sacrifice when romancing Leliana? Yeah... I did both and I felt terrible for making Wynne apologize to me because she was absolutely right.

With that said, I didn't like her preachy attitute. Nobody does. But at least I respect the fact that she tried to warn me, regardless of whether she really cared about me getting hurt or not(and Leliana for that case).

There are dozens of other preachy lines that can make Wynne look like a terrible charactrer. Use those.

The Wynne "you're quite taken with each other" triggers at 71+ (adore).  It's a bit late for sparing anyone pain.

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 mars 2010 - 09:06 .

[blademaster7]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

fun fact:none of us where using Morrigans, Leliena and Alistairs for a reason

she comes off as concerned for either you, your lover or both of you in those talks

the same cant be said about her conversation about Zevran,,,oh and we also have an entire topic dedicated to why we dont like wynn and its more than just the romance advise

Haven't seen her speech about Zevran before. Can you elaborate? And does she apologize later?

[Sabriana]

Her speech about Zevran is really nasty. You have to listen to it, reading it will not show the vileness of it. Her apology comes so very late, especially because the Zevran romance does not conclude until way late into the game.

[CalJones]

Noir201 wrote...

Sorry errant i'm fine with her, and must admit, she does grow on you if you give her time.

I found the reverse to be true. Initially I liked her and couldn't understand why she got so much flack. But the more I played with her, the more she began to annoy me.

The problem isn't Wynne, per se, but the lack of sufficient comebacks on the part of the Warden.

Wynne: Blah blah Blight blah blah what if you had to choose between your lover and your duty?
Warden: Well of course I'd do my duty - I'm a Warden.

Wynne: Aneirin thinks you should be First Enchanter. What a great idea!
Warden: I'm a Warden now.
Wynne: Think about it, though.
Warden: There's nothing to think about. I'm a Warden. End of story.
Wynne: But...
Warden: C'mon, Wynne - you've spent every second lecturing me about my duties as a Warden. Now you're suggesting I give them up to become First Enchanter? I'm a Warden. W-A-R-D-E-N. I take my duties very seriously, just as you told me to. Now you're suggesting I abandon them? Stop being such a bloody hypocrite.

[Cuddlezarro]

blademaster7 wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

fun fact:none of us where using Morrigans, Leliena and Alistairs for a reason

she comes off as concerned for either you, your lover or both of you in those talks

the same cant be said about her conversation about Zevran,,,oh and we also have an entire topic dedicated to why we dont like wynn and its more than just the romance advise

Haven't seen her speech about Zevran before. Can you elaborate? And does she apologize later?

she does apologize later however dew to how long it takes to get Zevran to hit love (he will only hit love once you kill Talisan) it means she wont apologize till near the end of the game

with zevran her tone of voice is harsher and has nothing to do with how you or your lover might be hurt but more about how she feels its unfitting for a warden to be in relationship with him and acts like you will drop your responcabilities at the drop of a hat like a hormonal teenager

however her aplogy is the nicest its exactly the same as the other apologies but her tone of voice is different