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[Nostradamoose]

Well, you did manage to shoot your whole clip before you went red with your avenger.



And it did what it was supposed to do. It's great to use as a class that has biotics. As a matter of fact, you chump through their shields then you incapacitate them.



It's a gun that shoots a lot of bullets in a short ammount of time.

[cruc1al]

Nostradamoose wrote...

Well, you did manage to shoot your whole clip before you went red with your avenger.

No, I didn't. Look closely: there's 10 ammo left in the Avenger clip. Besides, that couldn't be true because the Geth rifle is known to have a higher rate of fire.
EDIT: which weapon do you refer to with "your whole clip"?

Modifié par cruc1al, 05 mars 2010 - 08:39 .

[Blindside002]

I personally loved it on Insanity. I had Tungsten Ammo and I was always able to get headshots with it and Adrenaline Rush. No Barrier or Shield could stand up to it with AP ammo the armor didnt stand a chance either. That and the Widow helped me destroy Insanity without a hitch.

[Nostradamoose]

cruc1al wrote...

Nostradamoose wrote...

Well, you did manage to shoot your whole clip before you went red with your avenger.

No, I didn't. Look closely: there's 10 ammo left in the Avenger clip. Besides, that couldn't be true because the Geth rifle is known to have a higher rate of fire.
EDIT: which weapon do you refer to with "your whole clip"?

I meant the Geth rifle.
My native french way of talking got into the way of forum speach.

Yea, basically what I mean is that you should not use the GPR if your ennemy doesn't have shields. Once it's down on its shields, switch up or use powers. I do believe the GPR only use is to soften the ennemy, not being your bread and butter rifle, other ARs like the revenant and the vindicator are fairly better suited for this.

[cruc1al]

Yeah i get what you mean.



However, the vindicator is much more effective at taking down shields anyway.

[Nostradamoose]

cruc1al wrote...
However, the vindicator is much more effective at taking down shields anyway.

What? What? Sorry, I think I'm losing the conversation! (fake white noise)
I'm sorry (More fake white noise), I'll have to hang up (fake white noise) *Hang up*


On a more serious note, I hate the firing rate on the Vindicator and the pulse rifle has more ammo.

I guess it all comes down to style of play. THough I have to say I used the GPR mostly on my squadmates while I use the vindicator. They soften up, I go in for the kill. Works like a charm.

Otherwise, on the collector ship, it's geth rifle all the way. I could not imagine any better way of killing collectors without it. (yea, I know, revenant, but If I don't have it)

[cruc1al]

Yeah I guess it does depend on the style of play - if you have a good aim and can pop head shots easily, the vindicator will beat even the revenant at close range. Tested on collectors. For that kind of player I wouldn't even dream of handing a geth rifle, it would suck, plain an simple. But if you're not such an accurate shot and like to rely on your powers more, the geth rifle might be justifiable against collectors and such given its high rate of fire and better accuracy at long range compared to the avenger.

Modifié par cruc1al, 05 mars 2010 - 10:21 .

[Nostradamoose]

Yea, the Over the shoulder really kills my long range accuracy. I used to play WW2 shooters with iron sights, those really made you think twice about when you were gonna shoot and how long you were willing to wait for the shot. I was a killer back then. But playing FEAR and ME 2 killed all that. Yea, I became dependant on the slow mo.

So now... In ME 2 I'm basically a power who@# and a slow-mo addict. Therefore, whenever I don't have slow-mo, I basically pick a good accurate gun that can shoot fairly well in the general direction of the ennemy so I don't have to "over-aim" like I used to do.

[Athenau]

Yeah I guess it does depend on the style of play - if you have a good aim and can pop head shots easily, the vindicator will beat even the revenant at close range. Tested on collectors

At close range you'll get tons of headshots with the Revenant as well. Vindicator can't touch the Revenant up close.



I have good aim and I prefer the Revenant. You can get lots of headshots with the Vindicator, but you lose a lot of time lining up those shots (outside adren rush at least), and the Vindicator is so horrendously ammo inefficient that you'll end up running out anyway.

[Nostradamoose]

Slow to fire as well, It is total @#$% whenever you fire it at close ranges as well.

[Missouri Tigers]

I loved it on Insanity as a Sentinel, really helped against barrier and shields.  I used it everywhere unless there was an armored enemy, in which case I switched to the Predator.

[Arde5643]

Vindicator is awesome to use if you're an adept or vanguard who likes to use shockwave at long range.



Cast a heavy/area shockwave at some enemies at long range (before they can even shoot at you), watch them stagger, fire a couple of bursts, shoot another shockwave, fire a couple more bursts -either one of them dies or some of them won't have anymore defenses left (in insanity btw).



GPR can probably be of great use if you're an adept who likes to stunlock people with wide singularity at medium range.

[Canned Bullets]

Just use the Revenant or M-8 if you're on insane.

[Comrade Bork]

I LOVE the GPR, it was my favorite AR, until I get the AR Accuracy upgrade. Then I pull out the revenant and own. But seriously, the GPR was a far better gun for me to use than the Avenger. I don't compare it to the Vindactor because they serve different purposes.

[SmilingMirror]

Nostradamoose wrote...

Slow to fire as well, It is total @#$% whenever you fire it at close ranges as well.

Good point, the Geth Rifle is a weird gun because the actual rate of fire depends on how far you've used your clip.

I love the GSR and Avenger personally. Vindicator is technically better but it really depends on your play style.

Modifié par SmilingMirror, 06 mars 2010 - 12:13 .

[Arde5643]

I find avenger the ****tiest crap POS weapon in the game - even compared to the shuriken machine pistol.

[Mallissin]

cruc1al wrote...

Nostradamoose wrote...

It kills shields fast, that's how you should see it. It is a fast shield killer.

Is it?


Geth Pulse Rifle versus Avenger, damage to shields

I did a comparison of the two rifles. I put the video clips side by
side and slowed down the action so you can watch the shield bar drain
on both sides for comparing.

No offense meant, I'm glad people are making these kind of videos, but that Hunter is at two different distances in your tests and guns have different modifiers depending on distance. While the Avenger and Geth Pulse both have the same modifiers, if some of those shots against the Hunter with the Avenger were in the "Point-blank" range, you would have had a 2.0 modifier instead of a 1.25 which easily overtakes the shield advantage of the Geth rifle.

Meanwhile, the Avenger and Vindicator have the same armor/shield/barrier numbers, and the Geth Pulse has 0.10 less on armor while 0.10 more on shield and barrier. Add the increased rate of fire and amount of ammo, and the Geth Pulse is better than the other two overall. It's not a huge advantage, but it's a definite advantage.

The Revenant has a lot more damage potential, with the same amount of ammo as the Geth weapon and twice the damage per shot, but it is WAY LESS accurate.

Anyway, Bioware wouldn't give us a crappy weapon as a reward for beating one of the hardest missions in the game on the highest difficulties. That Colossus was a royal pain in the ass for my Infiltrator. Must have taken me at least two dozen tries and in the end the only reason I survived was because a group of geth with a destroyer got stuck on a glitch.

Modifié par Mallissin, 06 mars 2010 - 02:25 .

[NICKjnp]

I use it... and enjoy it.  On my adept insanity plathrough I used it for medium-long range shield removal (after I threw out a singularity of course) and then I would slap a group with a warp bomb.  Fun stuff.

Modifié par NICKjnp, 06 mars 2010 - 03:39 .

[cruc1al]

Mallissin wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

Nostradamoose wrote...

It kills shields fast, that's how you should see it. It is a fast shield killer.

Is it?


Geth Pulse Rifle versus Avenger, damage to shields

I did a comparison of the two rifles. I put the video clips side by
side and slowed down the action so you can watch the shield bar drain
on both sides for comparing.

No offense meant, I'm glad people are making these kind of videos, but that Hunter is at two different distances in your tests and guns have different modifiers depending on distance. While the Avenger and Geth Pulse both have the same modifiers, if some of those shots against the Hunter with the Avenger were in the "Point-blank" range, you would have had a 2.0 modifier instead of a 1.25 which easily overtakes the shield advantage of the Geth rifle.

Meanwhile, the Avenger and Vindicator have the same armor/shield/barrier numbers, and the Geth Pulse has 0.10 less on armor while 0.10 more on shield and barrier. Add the increased rate of fire and amount of ammo, and the Geth Pulse is better than the other two overall. It's not a huge advantage, but it's a definite advantage.

The Revenant has a lot more damage potential, with the same amount of ammo as the Geth weapon and twice the damage per shot, but it is WAY LESS accurate.

Anyway, Bioware wouldn't give us a crappy weapon as a reward for beating one of the hardest missions in the game on the highest difficulties. That Colossus was a royal pain in the ass for my Infiltrator. Must have taken me at least two dozen tries and in the end the only reason I survived was because a group of geth with a destroyer got stuck on a glitch.

You're right, there's a possibility the avenger is actually close enough to be considered 'point blank'. Though I doubt that, since the difference between 2.0 multiplier and 1.25 is so large that I would expect to see a different result to the one I got, based on the testing experience. If it were true that the Avenger and the GPR do equal damage with multipliers 2.0 and 1.25, respectively, then it would also be true that with multiplier 2.0, the Geth rifle should do 37.5% more damage than the Avenger. That wasn't the impression I was left with based on the testing.

Though I suppose I could test it again and make sure I'm at the same distance.

Regarding your conclusion that the Geth Pulse rifle has a definitive advantage over the Vindicator - I'm afraid you're wrong. No small damage multiplier difference can offset the fact that the Vindicator, when manually tap-fired to lower the burst pause from 0.625s to 0.300s, does over 220 damage per second (DPS) compared to Geth pulse rifle's DPS which is comparable to Avenger's DPS of 153. Add in the fact that the Vindicator is much more accurate than a full-auto GPR, there's just no contest.

I think this experiment is evidence that Bioware actually did give us a pretty crappy weapon. Saying "Bioware wouldn't do that" doesn't help the case.

Modifié par cruc1al, 06 mars 2010 - 04:05 .

[Atmosfear3]

After giving it a try myself on my hardcore Adept run on the collector ship, I can confirm the GPR is garbage no matter what way you cut it. I switched back to my tempest for the rest of the run.

[Comrade Bork]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

After giving it a try myself on my hardcore Adept run on the collector ship, I can confirm the GPR is garbage no matter what way you cut it. I switched back to my tempest for the rest of the run.

Well I ran through the collector ship with the GPR on insanity, so I would respectfully disagree.

[WillieStyle]

In these sort of threads, people often write, "well I finished [difficult mission] easily on Insanity with [X weapon] therefore it must be good."

That isn't evidence that [X weapon] is good. It's evidence that you are good.

If you had used [Y weapon] instead, you'd have completed [difficult mission] even more easily (faster).

[cruc1al]

Comrade Bork wrote...

Atmosfear3 wrote...

After giving it a try myself on my hardcore Adept run on the collector ship, I can confirm the GPR is garbage no matter what way you cut it. I switched back to my tempest for the rest of the run.

Well I ran through the collector ship with the GPR on insanity, so I would respectfully disagree.

You could easily do that with the avenger too. ARs are easy.

[themaxzero]

WillieStyle wrote...

In these sort of threads, people often write, "well I finished [difficult mission] easily on Insanity with [X weapon] therefore it must be good."
That isn't evidence that [X weapon] is good. It's evidence that you are good.
If you had used [Y weapon] instead, you'd have completed [difficult mission] even more easily (faster).

You also get people like Atmosphere3 who say "I used this weapon and didn't like it so it sucks."

I like the GPR because it's an accurate Avenger.

Modifié par themaxzero, 06 mars 2010 - 04:04 .

[Nostradamoose]

SmilingMirror wrote...

Nostradamoose wrote...

Slow to fire as well, It is total @#$% whenever you fire it at close ranges as well.

Good point, the Geth Rifle is a weird gun because the actual rate of fire depends on how far you've used your clip.

I love the GSR and Avenger personally. Vindicator is technically better but it really depends on your play style.

I actually meant that the Vindicator was **** in close quarter. Once you get too close, repeatedly tapping the fire button simply doesn't fire fast enough. You can't get in as much CQC with the vindicator as you can with a fast-firing weapon like the GPR, avenger or Revenant.

Basically, the close you are engaging, the better those last 3 guns get. While the opposite is true as well for the vindicator. Close quarter combat litteraly kills you with that.