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[Erucolindo]

I've seen a few threads in here about people up in arms about Bioware allowing people to bring back there dead warden.

This obvious response is just don't do it. However, i'm bored and trying to relax, so I'll flesh that out a bit for the sake of debate..civil debate.

First of all, as the FAQ says, they are only adding the option to give people who are willing to suspend disbelief the chance to use that Grey Warden. This DOES NOT make the Ultimate Sacrafice YOUR Grey Warden made any less ultimate or sacraficial. You are in a different paralell universe (for lack of a better term) and thus are a completely different and unrelated Grey Warden.

So what do those of you who want to have a warrior in Awakenings do but killed theirs off? Make a new one, as I did. Mine first actually survived, though i was planning to go through with it. However, it was my first playthrough and I missed a lot so i've sense rerolled, gave him a different name but basically the same guy, and now he will be ready for Awakenings when i take the steps i need to take at the end.

Realize that this is more mechanic to allow dead players to still be in the game, not a story element. It's not like all our toons had to die but then t hey said "Oh frack, we made this expansion..ok ok ok..i have an idea..they weren't dead, just really really badly wounded and they are gonna wake up on the tower..oh and make sure we ignore everyone else after they died".

So please stop acting like this is going to destroy the games lore or something when it only effects individual universes.

[ExistsAlready]

Maybe they'll make a partially cremated Revenant/Arcane Horror out of the sacrificed Warden. That would be fun.

[TheRealIncarnal]

But what if I want to continue the game with the decisions my old dead character made, without making my beloved character into a horrible undead monstrosity?

[lewgiffard]

I totally agree. Expect to get lynched though, everytime I've mentioned it, it hasn't gone down well.

It's all about choice. If they had left out the option then people would have up in arms about that too.

[Fangirl17]

I agree.If you think its "BS" then just dont do it.

[Fabler4]

It's usually not that we don't like reviving our Wardens. We want our choices to be in play AND play as the Orlesian Warden. We don't usually care about bringing our character back, we care about having our choices matter.

[Diogo Gomez]

Yes I think if you don't want to, just don't play that way.



And I think you can play with the choices you made with your dead Charatcher and play with a new one.

[Myusha]

Oh well. You're not getting it, stoping crying it. They're too close to the release date by now.

[RedRobinRobber]

the mages DO have a resurrect spell

[Erucolindo]

Maviarab wrote...

Look OP....your obviously attention seeking so ill play along for a moment...

Why start this when its been covered in MUCH greater depth in the 3 existing threads?

And please do not tell me to stop doing anything, thank you

I just like starting debates about issues like this, see how many people agree with me and how many people don't.

Also, if you think someone is doing something just for attention, the best way to deal with them is to ignore them completely:)


People just seem to angry about it, calling it BS and game ruining, and I just don't see that..

[hexaligned]

Yeah I find it a pretty short sighted and selfish argument. They aren't forced to do it, they just want to take away your option to do it..even though it doesn't effect them either way. I usually make a point of not arguing with emotional disturbed people though, especially on the interwebs, I've avoided those other threads like the plague.

[lazuli]

Why is this even an issue? Load up an auto-save.

[shadowdragon8190]

People...well some of the people, aren't mad because they get an option to revive it. Most of them are mad because there is no option to keep your warden dead but have everything you did in Origins continue in Awakening. So they believe that if that were the case then they pretty much spent all that time for no significant change on Awakening. Luckily, my Warden didn't die

[Wishpig]

Maviarab wrote...

Look OP....your obviously attention seeking so ill play along for a moment...

Why start this when its been covered in MUCH greater depth in the 3 existing threads?

And please do not tell me to stop doing anything, thank you

Only 3? We must be on 50 at this point...

[Dave of Canada]

You aren't forced to buy food for your family.

[Rylor Tormtor]

Erucolindo wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

Look OP....your obviously attention seeking so ill play along for a moment...

Why start this when its been covered in MUCH greater depth in the 3 existing threads?

And please do not tell me to stop doing anything, thank you

I just like starting debates about issues like this, see how many people agree with me and how many people don't.

Also, if you think someone is doing something just for attention, the best way to deal with them is to ignore them completely:)


People just seem to angry about it, calling it BS and game ruining, and I just don't see that..

That's because you don't know what you are talking about. I hate to break it to you, but noone is pissed that people are able to bring their dead characters back.

What people are pissed about is that it was implied that the Orlaisien Warden would be available for those who sacrificed themselves, and hence, the descisions and consequences from the from the Dead Warden would affect the world that the new Warden lives in.

This is not a case.

So good job on spouting off on a topic you don't understand.

[Angel of Nessus]

Rylor Tormtor wrote...

Erucolindo wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

Look OP....your obviously attention seeking so ill play along for a moment...

Why start this when its been covered in MUCH greater depth in the 3 existing threads?

And please do not tell me to stop doing anything, thank you

I just like starting debates about issues like this, see how many people agree with me and how many people don't.

Also, if you think someone is doing something just for attention, the best way to deal with them is to ignore them completely:)


People just seem to angry about it, calling it BS and game ruining, and I just don't see that..

That's because you don't know what you are talking about. I hate to break it to you, but noone is pissed that people are able to bring their dead characters back.

What people are pissed about is that it was implied that the Orlaisien Warden would be available for those who sacrificed themselves, and hence, the descisions and consequences from the from the Dead Warden would affect the world that the new Warden lives in.

This is not a case.

So good job on spouting off on a topic you don't understand.

If they killed off their character, then that's their fault.  It's a new game with the Orlesian, so of course your decisions would play little part in that route.  Complaining will solve NOTHING at all; deal with it or don't play the game.  Maybe they'll  find a work around later on, but for now all that bringing this issue up does is bother people needlessly.  

[RPGlover732]

Why do people always talk before they think? "well if you dont like it dont do it" no duh, but basicly they ruined our sacrificed character. they ended that "time line" if you will. they dont GIVE us the option to contunie that "world" which is what we want to do.

They gave us two options:

1. import your character and ruin the story



2. dont and ruin the "world"



Now lets pretend bioware said lets make it so everyone characters died just to make it easier, wouldnt that make you mad?

[Angel of Nessus]

TheRealIncarnal wrote...

But what if I want to continue the game with the decisions my old dead character made, without making my beloved character into a horrible undead monstrosity?

You... you would not want to play as an undead monstrosity?  What kind of unholy fiend are you?  My only regret about this game is that you cannot play as a revenant in the first place.  We need a Dragon Age where we can raise an undead army to fight both the darkspawn and humanity.  Can you REALLY say that being an undead monstrosity in this universe would be a bad thing?

[Wicked 702]

relhart wrote...

Yeah I find it a pretty short sighted and selfish argument. They aren't forced to do it, they just want to take away your option to do it..even though it doesn't effect them either way. I usually make a point of not arguing with emotional disturbed people though, especially on the interwebs, I've avoided those other threads like the plague.

Odd. This discussion seems familiar somehow....

Oh that's right! Politics! People wanting to take away my option to do things.

I'm with you. I can't understand these people. I find them insane.

[Angel of Nessus]

RPGlover732 wrote...

Why do people always talk before they think? "well if you dont like it dont do it" no duh, but basicly they ruined our sacrificed character. they ended that "time line" if you will. they dont GIVE us the option to contunie that "world" which is what we want to do.
They gave us two options:
1. import your character and ruin the story

2. dont and ruin the "world"

Now lets pretend bioware said lets make it so everyone characters died just to make it easier, wouldnt that make you mad?

Course it would, but that's not the case.  Problem here is there is no solution that will make everyone happy and can be implemented in the time we have left.  One side has to get it in the dumps, and they will always whine about how "the story/game is ruined whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine", no matter what BioWare does.

Here's an idea for you- stop worrying about whether or not Alistair is king or not in your original story; don't cry about how they don't mention how you helped Dagna get to the Tower of Magi; stop obsessing over whether or not some of the chanter's board questgivers remember you or not.  Take it with a grain of salt, and enjoy the NEW story they worked on, instead of crying over what is literally the past.

[Rylor Tormtor]

Angel of Nessus wrote...

Rylor Tormtor wrote...

Erucolindo wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

Look OP....your obviously attention seeking so ill play along for a moment...

Why start this when its been covered in MUCH greater depth in the 3 existing threads?

And please do not tell me to stop doing anything, thank you

I just like starting debates about issues like this, see how many people agree with me and how many people don't.

Also, if you think someone is doing something just for attention, the best way to deal with them is to ignore them completely:)


People just seem to angry about it, calling it BS and game ruining, and I just don't see that..

That's because you don't know what you are talking about. I hate to break it to you, but noone is pissed that people are able to bring their dead characters back.

What people are pissed about is that it was implied that the Orlaisien Warden would be available for those who sacrificed themselves, and hence, the descisions and consequences from the from the Dead Warden would affect the world that the new Warden lives in.

This is not a case.

So good job on spouting off on a topic you don't understand.

If they killed off their character, then that's their fault.  It's a new game with the Orlesian, so of course your decisions would play little part in that route.  Complaining will solve NOTHING at all; deal with it or don't play the game.  Maybe they'll  find a work around later on, but for now all that bringing this issue up does is bother people needlessly.  

So, if Alistair became king then it would play little part? If you slaughtered all the elves with the werewolves that wouldn't matter? The actual king of Orzammar is irrelevant?

Course it would, but that's not the case.  Problem here is
there is no solution that will make everyone happy and can be
implemented in the time we have left.  One side has to get it in the
dumps, and they will always whine about how "the story/game is ruined
whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine", no matter what BioWare does.

Here's an
idea for you- stop worrying about whether or not Alistair is king or
not in your original story; don't cry about how they don't mention how
you helped Dagna get to the Tower of Magi; stop obsessing over whether
or not some of the chanter's board questgivers remember you or not.
 Take it with a grain of salt, and enjoy the NEW story they worked on,
instead of crying over what is literally the past.

Most of us buy Bioware games for the story. Which includes our choices. You know, the player. It is called continuity. Also, it is called an expansion pack. They are going on and on about their "Choice 2.0", but when a major ending is disregarded, that' s just sad. If Bioware talks the talk, then they should walk the walk.

But the arguing is useless. Most of the people on these boards that the carry over from ME to ME2 was deep and meaningful, so maybe I am just out of touch with game development today.

EDIT - You know, I wish they would bring back the game listings from before, as well as original join dates for the old boards.

Modifié par Rylor Tormtor, 05 mars 2010 - 02:28 .

[Angel of Nessus]

Rylor Tormtor wrote...

Angel of Nessus wrote...

Rylor Tormtor wrote...

Erucolindo wrote...

Maviarab wrote...

Look OP....your obviously attention seeking so ill play along for a moment...

Why start this when its been covered in MUCH greater depth in the 3 existing threads?

And please do not tell me to stop doing anything, thank you

I just like starting debates about issues like this, see how many people agree with me and how many people don't.

Also, if you think someone is doing something just for attention, the best way to deal with them is to ignore them completely:)


People just seem to angry about it, calling it BS and game ruining, and I just don't see that..

That's because you don't know what you are talking about. I hate to break it to you, but noone is pissed that people are able to bring their dead characters back.

What people are pissed about is that it was implied that the Orlaisien Warden would be available for those who sacrificed themselves, and hence, the descisions and consequences from the from the Dead Warden would affect the world that the new Warden lives in.

This is not a case.

So good job on spouting off on a topic you don't understand.

If they killed off their character, then that's their fault.  It's a new game with the Orlesian, so of course your decisions would play little part in that route.  Complaining will solve NOTHING at all; deal with it or don't play the game.  Maybe they'll  find a work around later on, but for now all that bringing this issue up does is bother people needlessly.  

So, if Alistair became king then it would play little part? If you slaughtered all the elves with the werewolves that wouldn't matter? The actual king of Orzammar is irrelevant?

Pretty much, yeah.  Deal; it could only be changed in a perfect world.

[Dave of Canada]

Angel of Nessus wrote...

If they killed off their character, then that's their fault.  It's a new game with the Orlesian, so of course your decisions would play little part in that route.  Complaining will solve NOTHING at all; deal with it or don't play the game.  Maybe they'll  find a work around later on, but for now all that bringing this issue up does is bother people needlessly.  

It was said that the Orlesian was sent to the keep to replace your character's warden, the Ultimate Sacrifice was my personal favorite ending of all and now it's gone. It's not "my fault" for choosing it, and I know complaining won't fix anything, but if people sat down and were complete tools and accepted everything without complaining then there would never be any advancement.

I wanted it to be that my King Alistair, with his queen Anora, would talk about my Human Noble who sacrificed himself. My character would've been a backround plot of the entire game world as an Orlesian Gray Warden, he'd adventure through the world in a second-hand sight of the changes.

We'll deal with it, but we won't like it - and saying us to shut up won't help.