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[redguppie]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

redguppie wrote...

Yes, but it would have to be for a better reason then that. I personally don't care one way or another about the qurian people. Just like I don't care about the Turians, Krogans, or the Asari. I care about my squad and there the ones I'm trying to help. Helping her involved not presenting the evidence. If said evidence would stop a plague from wiping out the Quarians, then that would be the end of the Quarians.

The decision has the potential to have a big impact on ME3.  But I think that may be asking too much.

But unless you have either played the game or looked up the info you don't know what is going to be the end result of your actions.  For me that makes me ask myself what is most important to me in the situation.  For me t was my squadmate,  and since I didn't have enough peragon/renegade points to do that speech I let her get exiled.

[Sky Shadowing]

qq151069 wrote...

So.... Would betraying Tali screw up the romance?

Obviously, yes.

Modifié par Sky Shadowing, 05 mars 2010 - 04:37 .

[Pauravi]

XX55XX wrote...

Yeah, I never quite saw it as betrayal either. As much as I love Tali, she will tell damned lies to protect her pride.

But what exactly is gained by turning in the evidence?  Nothing.
All you've managed to do is get one of your loyal friends upset by leaving her father's reputation and legacy in tatters.  The only reason you were even looking for the evidence in the first place is to help clear her name.  Once it becomes clear that she would rather face the punishment, what is the purpose in revealing it?

[Mox Ruuga]

"Betray"?

Why yes, I would tell what her old man was up to. If the silly fetish object loses her loyalty about it, no big deal. She's Collector bait in the suicide mission anyway, loyal or no.

[Annihilator27]

I couldnt do that, Thats beyond backstab lol.

[cdsmith0]

Zack56 wrote...

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Waiting for the talimancers to show up...

TALIMANCERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




....but no I would never betray tali.

[redguppie]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

redguppie wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

redguppie wrote...

Yes, but it would have to be for a better reason then that. I personally don't care one way or another about the qurian people. Just like I don't care about the Turians, Krogans, or the Asari. I care about my squad and there the ones I'm trying to help. Helping her involved not presenting the evidence. If said evidence would stop a plague from wiping out the Quarians, then that would be the end of the Quarians.

The decision has the potential to have a big impact on ME3.  But I think that may be asking too much.

But unless you have either played the game or looked up the info you don't know what is going to be the end result of your actions.  For me that makes me ask myself what is most important to me in the situation.  For me t was my squadmate,  and since I didn't have enough peragon/renegade points to do that speech I let her get exiled.

I understand that.  BTW  if you save Kal Reegor at Haestrom and let Veetor go with Tali at freedom's progress instead of taking him to Cerberus for interrogation, you can still win the trial and gain her loyalty.

Yea found that out on my second play through, but my first is always my main.  On that one I make sure to avoid all spoilers and make decisions based on my own wants and needs.  Ended up I wasn't fast enough to keep Kal alive.

[The Angry One]

Sky Shadowing wrote...

qq151069 wrote...

So.... Would betraying Tali screw up the romance?

Obviously, yes.

it appears Tali will only romance a man who proves himself a lapdog who'll do whatever she says.

"Don't tell on my dad!"

"Don't side with Legion!"

Suddenly I like her more.

[KnotEngaged]

All the evidence does is split up the quarian fleet and make Tali hate you. That's a lose-lose. Don't show the evidence and keep the quarians unified, and get with Tali. Win-win.

EDIT:  Those of you waiting for the Talimancers to show up, don't hold your breath.  They never leave their 1500 page thread.  Only us casual Tali fans make it beyond the veil.

Modifié par KnotEngaged, 05 mars 2010 - 04:50 .

[Zulu_DFA]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

@Zulu_DFA
I know what you did. My question is what was your logic behind the decision. You don't get that from a portrait.

Yes you do. It's not TIM's habit to do anything "just for the hell of it".

I admit, I hate Tali as a character (for being a fetish), and due to that I (as a real life man playing a computer game) arranged an accident for her on the "suicide misson". But the "big choices" are supposed to originate in *my* Shepard's head. And "he" decided that it'd be better  to prevent the Quarians from going to war. Not for the sake of Quarians, though.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 05 mars 2010 - 04:55 .

[Yakko77]

epoch_ wrote...

yeah, did it on this play through

Holy crap!

I'm in awe of your ruthlessness.

*bows*

[The Angry One]

Kal can live if you have him attack if you go through the left side of the area to the colossus and kill all the Geth along the way. He'll missile the crap out of the colossus for you to boot.

[thegreateski]

Depends.



Am I getting paid for the betrayal?

[TheBlackBaron]

No. A real Renegade uses the Chewbacca defense and a healthy amount of swearing in that situation.

[cipher_Cero]

It's hard to say.

Rael'Zorah was not only performing weapons tests on active geth platforms, but he's endangered the Migrant Fleet. Should he lose the Alarei to them--and he did--they could hack the systems and broadcast the Fleet's location and secrets.

Yet, telling them that accomplishes nothing. It helps nobody. There's no benefit to anyone, not even you, and that's putting all personal drama aside.

If protecting the Migrant Fleet was the only goal, stopping the heretics and retaking the Alarei would have been sufficient, regardless of whether Tali is released of all charges.

Otherwise, after seeing those results, I'm just not seeing the benefit in presenting the evidence. I didn't think the political and societal ramifications would be that grave. I thought it would just come to Rael'Zorah's exile and Tali hating you, but crap if you didn't just tear a rift into what was left of the quarian people.


I definitely wouldn't do that on a playthrough I intend to carry over. I wanted to try it myself just to see what would happen, and now I have. No point in it now.

Oh, it's just a game. I haven't let go of that one.

[Zulu_DFA]

thegreateski wrote...

Depends.

Am I getting paid for the betrayal?

Only Tali thinks а it as a betrayal. You exonerate her and Shala presents "gifts" for you.

[Zulu_DFA]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

@Zulu_DFA
I know what you did. My question is what was your logic behind the decision. You don't get that from a portrait.

Yes you do. It's not in TIM's habits to do anything "just for the hell of it".

I admit, I hate Tali as a character, and due to that I (as a real life man playing a computer game) arranged an accident for her on the "suicide misson". But the "big choices" are supposed to originate in *my* Shepard's head. And "he" decided that it'd be better  to prevent the Quarians from going to war. Not for the sake of Quarians, though.

Let me guess, you kept the Collector Base intact of course.

Of course.

[Zulu_DFA]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Kal can live if you have him attack if you go through the left side of the area to the colossus and kill all the Geth along the way. He'll missile the crap out of the colossus for you to boot.

Do you know for a fact that it keeps him alive?  It is strategically better to go up the ramp ro the right and across the catwalk IMO.  That is also what he suggests BTW.  You tell him to stand down and I think it doesn't matter how defeat the Collosus.

You can prevent his death by killing off the Colossus quickly enough. On "veteran" it's a piece of cake.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 05 mars 2010 - 05:06 .

[The Angry One]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Do you know for a fact that it keeps him alive?  It is strategically better to go up the ramp ro the right and across the catwalk IMO.  That is also what he suggests BTW.  You tell him to stand down and I think it doesn't matter how defeat the Collosus.

Every time I've gone up the ramp he dies, every time I go to the left he lives.
Might be some variables like getting a Colossus beam in the face at the wrong time, but I believe going through the left (stopping a bit to kill the Geth in the middle first) increases his chance to survive a lot.
It's doesn't change anything but hey it's cooler when Kal has your back.

[thegreateski]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Depends.

Am I getting paid for the betrayal?

Only Tali thinks а it as a betrayal. You exonerate her and Shala presents "gifts" for you.

Alrighty then . . .