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[Haventh]

No, i don't play renegade.

[gotthammer]

Gladly. Esp. if I can trade-in Tali for either Reegar or Xen in the future.

I was actually hoping there was an option (is there?) to give Xen what she wanted from the Geth-infested ship...to heck w/ Tali.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Its like everyone comes in to this thread hoping it will turn into a talimancing thread.



Onyx Jaguar Disapproves -5

[Austichar]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Its like everyone comes in to this thread hoping it will turn into a talimancing thread.

Onyx Jaguar Disapproves -5

Hey, I ain't complaining.

[The Angry One]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Its like everyone comes in to this thread hoping it will turn into a talimancing thread.

Onyx Jaguar Disapproves -5

It's the Taliban's ultimate evil plan to turn every thread into talimancing threads, even ones that aren't about Tali.

[Netzach]

No, never.

[procki]

gotthammer wrote...

Gladly. Esp. if I can trade-in Tali for either Reegar or Xen in the future.
I was actually hoping there was an option (is there?) to give Xen what she wanted from the Geth-infested ship...to heck w/ Tali.

Admiral Xen, please come with me. Tis cold in my ship, all alone...

[magnuskn]

I started a whole playthrough of ME1 just so that I would not cheat on someone else when Tali finally became a romance option. No way I'd betray her then.

[Louis deGuerre]

Not even if the fate of the galaxy depended on it.

[AzaZeLgaming]

Never.

[GenericPlayer2]

Collider wrote...

I was hoping this thread would go into hypothetical situations, rather than the trial. Oh welll. No I wouldn't betray her in the trial, there's no real point to doing so IMO. Quarian politics isn't Shepard's business so just go with what your friend desires. Apparently if you reveal her father's experiments, the fleet gets fragmented into two factions. Not good news for the Quarians or the fight against the reapers.

Tali makes it your business when she asks that the Normandy make a detour from the mission to go to the Migrant fleet. The Admirals make it your business when you are forced to represent Tali at the trial. Tali makes it your business when you are asked to go to the Alarei to find out what happened, and they make it your business when they ask you, in front of everyone, what is it you found.

If telling them the truth hurts the Quarians and fragments the fleet, then that is a problem with the Quarians, not a problem with what Shepard did.

As for Quarian help with the reaper threat. Firstly, there is nothing in Shepard's experience with the Quarians that would indicate they would be a significant ally against the reapers. Secondly, while I don't get the "ah yes..." speech from any of them, they don't seem to take anything I say about the reapers seriously enough to change their minds.

Now compare this to Legion. First time you meet him he lends a hand by taking out a few husks. I won't say he 'saved' Shepard because Shep has proven that a few husks are never an issue. He explains to Shep that they are on the same side and that not all Geth are the same. When he asks for your help, it is a welcome detour because it offers a chance to deal with the Heretics once and for all - its a great opportunity. When you arrive there he tells you what the options are, and leaves the choice to you. He does not drag you all the way there and insist that everything has to be done his way.  Moreover, his people know the Reaper threat and want to do something about it, and have a proven military capability. It becomes clear to me who the worthy ally is here.

Modifié par GenericPlayer2, 05 mars 2010 - 01:21 .

[Asheer_Khan]

thegreateski wrote...

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

The only one I respected in that quest was Shala'Raan (thats her name right), who moderates the admirals. I once let Tali get exiled as per her wishes, and the lady gave me an earful (and rightly so). She risked a lot so we would be allowed on board that ship to find out what happened, and we come back with 'nothing'

Regarding KoToR, who are we talking about? I remember Ordo's contact on some weird planet (they had beastmasters and some queen in trouble), and I had to spring him from jail - but I am pretty sure he wasn't guilty.

The first KoToR.

Nope, that was KoToR II and political fuss on Onderon between Queen Talia and her little too ambitious brother Vakluu.

And back in the ME space... No i think this was more like Shepard's loyality to Tali mission that reverse.  and test if player will be able to see much bigger picture that short term political gains (if there are such anyway) and beside after seeing outcome of Quarians action on Freedom Progres and Haelstrom i seriously start thinking that even if i would give them those data they will be slaughtered by Geth anyway.
They might be great fighters but  they are second line support units not frontline soldiers and to survive potential war whit the Geth Quarians need somebody like Shepard whit military experienceand in off charisma to actually enforced proper execution of the orders.

Problem whit Quarians is that they are too obsessed whit reclaiming thier homeworld by all cost idea that they don't even try to take under consideration that there could be another less or even  non confronting way to achieve what they need and honestly... last thing what is needed now is war between Quarians and the Geth when Reapers fleet is right beyond horizon.

[Mnemnosyne]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

Regarding KoToR, who are we talking about? I remember Ordo's contact on some weird planet (they had beastmasters and some queen in trouble), and I had to spring him from jail - but I am pretty sure he wasn't guilty.

The first KoToR.

Nope, that was KoToR II and political fuss on Onderon between Queen Talia and her little too ambitious brother Vakluu.

No, the first one is right.  The event referenced earlier in the thread is the trial on Manaan with Jolee Bindo's friend, who murdered a Sith agent when he found out she was getting information out of him.  You can bring forward this evidence, or you can suppress it in order to get him found innocent.

[Terraneaux]

If it came down to, say, saving the galaxy or Tali, I'd choose saving the galaxy. But I'd still be torn up about it.

[FlyinElk212]

No. Anyone who betrays Tali is a stupid idiot and deserves to die horribly.

[Annjul666]

I did ]:> i needed renegade points to recruit Morinth ;D so... it was easy , although i dont hate Tali or sth..

[Blindside002]

I could see why people would do it just to do some evil stuff, although the first game just seemed like Renegade was a person who would get the mission done no matter what, and Paragon was someone who always followed the rules and shows compassion. In this game sadly it seemed more based around Good and Evil rather than being a badass or hero.

[CmdrFenix83]

The Angry One wrote...

Unsurprising given BioWare's mindset.
Back in KotOR there was that bit where you were defending this Republic agent from a murder charge.
Now, he was guilty. But you got light side points for getting him off by... intimidating or force persuading witnesses and witholding evidence.
Telling the truth and letting the witnesses say what actually happened was considered the dark side option!

I actually played this quest just yesterday in my most recent playthrough.  You don't get any LS or DS points for the trial itself, and using Force Persuade to get an answer when you're personally questioning the witnesses *does* result in Dark Side points.

Regardless, when you tell the judges you'd like to be the Arbiter, you have to remember that you're supposed to be an impartial representative of your client's wishes.  If you try and plead guilty off top without presenting the recording, the trial commences anyway because Sunry does not wish to plead guilty, and the judges demand that you represent your client.

On topic, there's absolutely nothing to gain from turning Rael in.  You ****** off your squadmate, splinter the fleet, and destroy the reputation of a good man that made a horrible mistake.  You gain nothing.  Turning in the evidence is just being a douche for the sake of being a douche.

[brent2605]

id never betray tali

[redguppie]

you gain no real advantage from betraying her. It isn't stated they will go to war without the evidence and it isn't stated they wont. from the way it is played your actions in this game and Me3 will determine how the Quarian/Geth conflict will end. They won't decide what happens with the war until a new admiral is put in place( which won't be a 24 year old engineer). I would speculate that your actions here and the next game will have a impact on that decision. Like say you do everything a certain way and Kal Reeger becomes the next admiral.

The only thing that accomplishes is pissing off a crew-mate, fracturing the flotilla, and making sure at least half the flotilla ends up attacking the geth.

As for those who keep saying **** the quarians there getting what they deserve. Keep in mind that the ones you are dealing with aren't the ones that created the geth and got themselves exiled. they're the ones who have had to live with the consequences, they already have paid for their stupidity.

And for gods sake please think for yourselves. I get tired of reading all these people hating a certain character, be it Liara, Tali, Miranda, or Garrus, simply because of the fans of that character. If you are going to hate a character figure out one for yourself and stop letting others dictate your actions.
(End rant)

As for Paragon/Renegade= It's based on the developers morality, not yours, so trying to justify it based on your own outlook is foolish.
If I was to hazard a guess it isn't good and bad
large scale decisions
Paragon= what is good for the galaxy as a whole
Renegade= what is good for Humanity while in particular
smaller decisions
Paragon=stereotype good
Renegade=stereotype bad

That tranquil/frantic crap is an asspull

Modifié par redguppie, 05 mars 2010 - 08:35 .

[redguppie]

oops, first double post

Modifié par redguppie, 05 mars 2010 - 08:34 .

[Daralii]

In her trial? No



If she decides to aid the Flotilla in beginning a war with the Geth? Yes