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[Commander Shepard]

Mass Effect has a problem that is shared by many other games: why are there no kids running around, and where are the batarian, turian, krogan, hanar, elcor, salarian, volus, and vorcha women? At least for the Asari, they provided an excuse to why we see no men. But Bioware has yet to provide an excuse for why we have only seen male people of these 8 races and why there are no kids ANYWHERE. I know the Krogan women are important and are kept in special camps but we should've seen at least one.

Do you want these included in the Mass Effect 3 universe?

[DarthCaine]

Devs were too lazy to make female models of most species

Modifié par DarthCaine, 05 mars 2010 - 09:10 .

[Dethateer]

Didn't someone in the US make a law against kids appearing in violent games or something like that?

[Commander Shepard]

Dethateer wrote...

Didn't someone in the US make a law against kids appearing in violent games or something like that?

I never heard of that. They are in Fallout 3. However, you cant kill kids in Fallout. Maybe the law was about killing kids but not including them.

[Dethateer]

Nah, I remember it being cited as a reason for the kids being removed from HL2.

[Temper_Graniteskul]

I think it's just generally frowned upon, particularly in sandbox-type games. There's a fear that some players will kill them indiscriminately or mod the game so they can be (if they're in-game immortal). Hot Coffee and player-mod nude skins for Oblivion got bad enough press - can you imagine the kerfuffle with kid-murder?

[Weskerr]

I remember reading in the codex that most Salarians are male. Their women are the political leaders of Salarian society and they're all on the Salarian homeworld.

They don't provide any explanations for the other races (in the codex).

[Collider]

Why do people want children to be in the game? It adds nothing whatsoever. We know that there are children in this universe already.

As for female versions of aliens, it has to do with resources or something I read. Not sure about the specifics, but it had something to do with a literal limit.

[Khayness]

Favourite dev quote: "How do you know you haven't seen one already?"

I think the smaller hanar shadows at Afterlife supposed to be the female ones, who knows.

As for kids and violence, ask XO Tigh about Duckrats.

[Commander Shepard]

Weskerr wrote...

I remember reading in the codex that most Salarians are male. Their women are the political leaders of Salarian society and they're all on the Salarian homeworld.

They don't provide any explanations for the other races (in the codex).

Oh yea I saw that. It said something along the lines of how Salarian customs restricts 90% of eggs have to become males.

[Weskerr]

Commander Shepard wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

I remember reading in the codex that most Salarians are male. Their women are the political leaders of Salarian society and they're all on the Salarian homeworld.

They don't provide any explanations for the other races (in the codex).

Oh yea I saw that. It said something along the lines of how Salarian customs restricts 90% of eggs have to become males.

Yep.

[Commander Shepard]

Collider wrote...

Why do people want children to be in the game? It adds nothing whatsoever. We know that there are children in this universe already.

As for female versions of aliens, it has to do with resources or something I read. Not sure about the specifics, but it had something to do with a literal limit.

People want children because it makes the game more realistic. Attention to detail

[Collider]

Commander Shepard wrote...
People want children because it makes the game more realistic. Attention to detail

There are plenty of other areas which can made more realistic. Why children in particular?

[Raygereio]

Commander Shepard wrote...
People want children because it makes the game more realistic. Attention to detail

That plus usually they just want to kill them, or complain about how they can't kill them if the game won't let them: "I can't kill children! This game is so unrealistic!" It's the same as how someone was complaining about they couldn't randomly kill NPC's in the ME universe a while back.

To quote the great Ma'iq the liar: "M'aiq believes the children are our future. But he doesn't want them ruining all of our fun."

Modifié par Raygereio, 05 mars 2010 - 09:30 .

[Darkened Dragon]

Dethateer wrote...

Didn't someone in the US make a law against kids appearing in violent games or something like that?

Its mainly that kids can't be put into violent aspects of the game. There are a few games where the US version has been altered to either remove kids or at least bring them out of direct harms way.

As for the female aliens in Mass Effect, I asked myself the same and the only things I could find is the Asari have no male gender and the Salarians view the female gender to important for them to leave their homeworld due to the ratio of males to females being very unbalanced (the males outnumber the females). My guess to the Krogan is due to the Genophage. 

[DarthCaine]

Fable and Fallout had children (that sounds kinda wrong)

[Noilly Prat]

Well, you could kill kids in the old Fallout games, and Deus Ex, and, I'm sure, a handful of other games out there. There's no legal restriction that I'm aware of. I believe child-killing was possible at one point in Fable before the game was finished and released-- I remember seeing screens of this-- but it was removed from the game prior to release (though you could still smack the kids around a bit).



You can't kill random people in the hub areas in Mass Effect anyway, so it doesn't seem like it would be so tough to throw in a few kids and keep them away from the guns.



As for keeping kids in games removed from the violent content-- I haven't tried all possible outcomes throughout Dragon Age yet, but isn't there a bit in there that potentially goes against this idea?

[DaveTheJackal]

Commander Shepard wrote...

Mass Effect has a problem that is shared by many other games: why are there no kids running around, and where are the batarian, turian, krogan, hanar, elcor, salarian, volus, and vorcha women? At least for the Asari, they provided an excuse to why we see no men. But Bioware has yet to provide an excuse for why we have only seen male people of these 8 races and why there are no kids ANYWHERE. I know the Krogan women are important and are kept in special camps but we should've seen at least one.

Do you want these included in the Mass Effect 3 universe?

Juveniles of all species other than humans are aquatic. See those lakes on teh Citadel? That's where the kids are.

Humans don't take children in to space. They ship all kids born on colonies back to Earth.

It's so obvious!

[Noilly Prat]

Or maybe future cultural norms (which happen to be shared by all species in Citadel space) dictate that children should be neither seen nor heard, and consequently they're all locked away at home all the time.



I can't say I would disagree if that were the case.

[Collider]

I think it also has to be said the locations that children could possibly be in in ME2.

Citadel - Zakera Ward isn't the safest place in the Citadel, it is actually among the most dangerous if I recall.

Omega - Self explanatory.

Illium - Primarily a business world. Asari live for a 1000 years so the likelihood of seeing Asari children is much less.

[Andaius20]

Asari are mono-gendered
Turians are reptilian so don't have mammalian secondary sex traits like yo know bewbs.
Hanar are Jellyfish and it isn't know if they have genders or not.
You see how many drell in ME 2? Two?
Salarians 90% of the popoulation are male the Females are the political and leadership cast so stay on salarian homeworlds.
Humans and Quarians have both models present.
Elcor, we don't know if they have genders, or how there culture handles genders or even if thee is noticeable physical difference between the genders.
We never really see any Baatarian worlds we only see them as Merc's or pirates.
Krogan Females are extremely rare and keep to themselves on Krogan homeworlds.

I think I covered all the races.

Also note that Liara a tthe age of IIRC 300 was consitered a "child" by other asari. So you could be seeing plenty of asari "children".

Modifié par Andaius20, 05 mars 2010 - 11:59 .

[Collider]

Andaius20 wrote...

Asari are mono-gendered
Turians are reptilian so don't have mammalian secondary sex traits like yo know bewbs.

That's an assumption. Realistically, there would be no reptiles in other worlds, because reptiles were defined on earth, which hosts a very different ecosystem than other planets.

[amrose2]

There is no such law that kids can't be depicted in violence and no law that they cannot be killable.



The Witcher has killable children.



Hell, Dante's Inferno has demon babies.

[techpriest1]

Commander Shepard wrote...
 They are in Fallout 3. However, you cant kill kids in Fallout.

But you can kill some kids in Fallout2 as i remember:whistle:

[Noodlesoupninja]

amrose2 wrote...

There is no such law that kids can't be depicted in violence and no law that they cannot be killable.

The Witcher has killable children.

Hell, Dante's Inferno has demon babies.

Dead space had those creepy baby things that you could kick.

I was kinda hoping we would see the female versions of some of the species. Hopefully in a dlc, I mean in BDTS we got batarians so maybe.