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[Sabresandiego]

Anyone notice that using adrenaline rush you can kill people much faster with the viper than with the revenant? The only place I'm seeing the revenant outperform the viper is in close range.

[Frosty Ananth]

The Viper is actually one of the best weapons a Soldier has. Outdamages the Widow when given the full duration of an Adrenaline Rush with accuracy and deadliness that makes the Revenant feel secondary.



Becomes especially pronounced on Insanity where rushing headlong into close quarters with the Revenant is less of an option. Most of my fights started with the Viper.

[SmilingMirror]

Revenant does double damage at point blank range and 1.25 at short range. Snipers do not.
Also note that AR makes damage bonuses multiplictive.

So....Assault Rifle at closer ranges, sniper for long ranges seems wise.

Unfortunately, Soldier cannot go out of cover like some of the other classes, so its stuck using the sniper most of the time. Then again, I wouldn't pass up the option to use the only true class specific weapon.

Modifié par SmilingMirror, 05 mars 2010 - 11:12 .

[Sabresandiego]

I used to think the revenant was my favorite weapon, but using adrenaline rush you can pound out multiple headshots in a row with the viper. There is no comparison in kill speed because the low accuracy of the revenant makes it far weaker than the viper at anything greater than close range...

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 05 mars 2010 - 11:03 .

[RamsenC]

Thats why soldier gets both. Viper + Revenant soldier is pretty damn fun. Just use Revenant up close.

[rumination888]

...why is this even an issue? One is a sniper rifle, the other is an assault rifle. If you're attacking from far away, of course a sniper rifle will kill faster. Its not like you can't take both.

[Sabresandiego]

Its an issue because even at medium range the viper is better than the revenant. Only in close range is the revenant better.

[Frosty Ananth]

Even with the AR Accuracy upgrade, the Revenant feels more like a shotgun than it does an assault rifle. Accuracy is the issue.



The Viper is also the most Adrenaline Rush friendly weapon in the game. It's a little jarring.

[RamsenC]

Running out of ammo would be an issue with the Viper I think. The Viper is an awesome weapon though, probably my favorite outside of the Evi.

[rumination888]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Its an issue because even at medium range the viper is better than the revenant. Only in close range is the revenant better.

No, at medium range both are on par with each other.
The Revenant can be fired on full-auto without any trouble at medium range during an Adrenaline Rush.
The Revenant can fire 25 bullets during a 'rush, Viper only gets 6.

[Frosty Ananth]

That's usually the pace of fights. Start with the Viper. Take out some big enemies. Clean up with the Revenant.

[Frosty Ananth]

rumination888 wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

Its an issue because even at medium range the viper is better than the revenant. Only in close range is the revenant better.

No, at medium range both are on par with each other.
The Revenant can be fired on full-auto without any trouble at medium range during an Adrenaline Rush.
The Revenant can fire 25 bullets during a 'rush, Viper only gets 6.

Except the part where most of those bullets miss with the Revenant and 6 Viper Shots, especially head shots, do a hell of a lot of damage.

[Sabresandiego]

I still usually use the revenant at medium range over the viper just because I love using that weapon on full auto, its an awesome feeling and I like to conserve the sniper ammo for longer ranges. But adrenaline rush viper headshots are simply more effective even at medium range.

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 05 mars 2010 - 11:40 .

[rumination888]

Frosty Ananth wrote...

Except the part where most of those bullets miss with the Revenant and 6 Viper Shots, especially head shots, do a hell of a lot of damage.

Are you saying the Revenant bullets will miss because you have to switch targets?
Because if you have to switch targets, the Viper isn't going to hit 6x during a 'rush either.

[Frosty Ananth]

rumination888 wrote...

Frosty Ananth wrote...

Except the part where most of those bullets miss with the Revenant and 6 Viper Shots, especially head shots, do a hell of a lot of damage.

Are you saying the Revenant bullets will miss because you have to switch targets?
Because if you have to switch targets, the Viper isn't going to hit 6x during a 'rush either.

No, I'm saying they will miss because the gun is inaccurate.  The Revenant is not a bad gun.  But even in mid-range, I would never switch to it if I had Viper rounds left.

edit:  I'm probably being pretty biased, though.  I get a significantly higher dopamine hit from headshots than I do from spraying bullets.  

Modifié par Frosty Ananth, 05 mars 2010 - 11:52 .

[rumination888]

Frosty Ananth wrote...

No, I'm saying they will miss because the gun is inaccurate.

The Revenant is not a bad gun.  But even in mid-range, I would never switch to it if I had Viper rounds left.

I said this earlier, "The Revenant can be fired on full-auto without any trouble at medium range during an Adrenaline Rush."

Not sure how you can miss when Adrenaline Rush basically halves your recoil to the point where it becomes as accurate as a non-'rushed Viper.

[Frosty Ananth]

Edited at the same time you posted. You're right. With the Accuracy Upgrade, they probably preform about the same in medium range.



I think I'm wired to get more of a kick out of the Viper though. My bad.

[Athenau]

Viper is a beast. Viper + revenant = highest dps assault rifle + highest dps sniper rifle.

[Sabresandiego]

Either way they are two of the best guns in the game. Scimitar is my fav though