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[DaveTheJackal]

I really can't undersand all the comments about Mass Effect's DRM on amazon. What's to object about:

With secure ROM I get to install my software on multiple PCs.
Tfter they relaxed the DRM on ME1, I could even lend it to 4 friends, had I chosen to, and they could play the game at the same time as me.
Though there was a 5 activation limit, all it takes is a call to EA and, providing you're not obviously a villain, they'll supply new activations for you on demand.
Contrary to popular belief, I don't believe an actual root kit is installed.

Compare this to Steam.

With steam only one person can ever play a game at once.
I can never resell my games.
What's more, I don't own my games and should Valve decide to block my account, I lose everything. Every game I have registered on steam is gone. It's not even like a rental, it's more like temporary permission to use the game.

And yet the DRM whiners don't bother complaining steam games at all, they don't attempt to get a game low ratings, none of that nonsense.

What is their problem? Is Valve behind it all? I think we should be told! 

EDIT: I'm not suggesting Valve's DRM should be flamed, I'm asking why EA's DRM gets flamed when Valve's (which in many ways is more restrictive), doesn't.

Modifié par DaveTheJackal, 07 mars 2010 - 04:31 .

[ZMJ10]

Heartlocker wrote...

That's why I don't use steam or digital services. I either torrent [ I never do it anymore since I own a 360.] and buy games cheap from Costumer 2 Costumer auction sites. I can play the games for good quality, cheap and resell it with some profit.

Sometimes being too digital harms me.

could u tell some of those website, im interested in looking at them. thanx

[Blackadderthethird]

There are positive sides to Steam as well.



You have access to your games at any PC with a connection

Don't have to worry about DVD/CD's being scratched

No need to insert a disc to play a game

Easy to use

Fast downloads

Games are always up to date



I think Steam is brilliant, I don't mind the negative sides at all. Wish I could buy all my games through Steam

[ToJKa1]

Steam is a restrictive DRM method, yes. The difference between Steam and SecuROM however is, that Steam offers services for the customer, which means it has worth for the customer too, whereas all that SecuROM does is annoy with the "Wrong disc inserted" pop-ups and count how many times you've installed the game.

[mxfox408]

In the past I was skeptical about using steam but love it now. I don't have to worry about any Bs like getting banned but I don't have to worry about scratched or missing cds or missplaced cd keys. Steam is awsome especially with the offline mode.

Modifié par mxfox408, 05 mars 2010 - 04:47 .

[Gorn Kregore]

Only use steam to buy Valve games only. Never ever waste your cash on other games. Unless someone gifts it to you for free.

[Dethateer]

Well, Steam DOES have that extremely sweet THQ complete pack...

[LuPoM]

ToJKa1 wrote...

Steam is a restrictive DRM method, yes. The difference between Steam and SecuROM however is, that Steam offers services for the customer, which means it has worth for the customer too, whereas all that SecuROM does is annoy with the "Wrong disc inserted" pop-ups and count how many times you've installed the game.

^That's the truth!

[Dethateer]

Crysis doesn't have an activation limit.

[wollert]

Steam is only viable for older cheap games or if they offer a sick price, new games is not worth it because it´s more expensive than a physical copy and forces you to use a 3rd party software to run.



I usually buy from D2D if the price is similar and I dont want a physical case like a CE, just to avoid a couple of things that kills gaming;



Forced disc use - there is no excuse now a days, I refuse to accept the need to have a disc in my drive to play.

third party software - I do not want to install anything I do not choose to, I will not hide the fact I resort to no-dvd patches if I have to, whatever the complication it´s still better.



I even bought a second copy of ME2 to avoid using a disc and any of that bull, D2D only required inserting my code in a window and then it was done, I have no worries. But after seeing the ME2 DRM will require a disc I think I blew a fuse out my ear, after being so happy with ME1 1.02 patch removing the need of the DVD.



But hey, ANYTHING is better than Games For Windows Live..... satan IS walking amongst us.

[Varenus Luckmann]

DaveTheJackal wrote...
[...]

And yet the DRM whiners don't bother complaining steam games at all, they don't attempt to get a game low ratings, none of that nonsense.

[...]

I don't use Steam for that and many other reasons. Therefore I don't make a habit of complaining about it.

[Must have name]

I have the Steam version. Partly because I got the game in the Christmas Sale for £3, but I was waiting for it there. I would never have bought the boxed version because of the DRM.



The difference is this. SecuRom penalises me. That, and it's there, hidden in my computer. Steam doesn't. I know exactly where it is, and what I have to do to get rid of it, and it offers me a service. I don't support games (at least single player games) enforcing Steam even with a boxed install, but i'm quite happy using Steam.

[AsheraII]

Steam doesn't come with a pretty booklet or CD inlay. The only advantage it has over pirate copies is that it's legal.

Yes, I like having my games sorted on a shelf, next to my books.

[mcneil_1]

Dethateer wrote...

Crysis doesn't have an activation limit.

Did your brother have the original game or the expansion (warhead) or the doublepack (maximum)?
Crysis itself didnt (not sure about later patches) but warhead and the maximum edition did have the notsonicerom included as a freebie 

Modifié par mcneil_1, 05 mars 2010 - 10:25 .

[Dethateer]

You're talking to the wrong person.

[sirandar]

DaveTheJackal wrote...

I really can't undersant all the comments about Mass Effect's DRM on amazon. What's to object about:

With secure ROM I get to install my software on multiple PCs.
After they relaxed the DRM on ME1, I could even lend it to 4 friends, had I chosen to, and they could play the game at the same time as me.
though there was a 5 activation limit, all it takes is a call to EA and, providing you're not obviously a villain, they'll supply new activations for you on demand.
Contrary to popular belief, I don't believe an actual root kit is installed.

Compare this to Steam.

With steam only one person can ever play a game at once.
I can never resell my games.
What's more, I don't own my games and should Valve decide to block my account for, say, cheating at CS:S or somesuch, I lose everything. Every game I have registered on steam is gone. It's not even like a rental, it's more like temporary permission to use the game.

And yet the DRM whiners don't bother complaining steam games at all, they don't attempt to get a game low ratings, none of that nonsense.

What is their problem? Is Valve behind it all? I think we should be told! 

They are probably ****ing because they can't find a hacked version yet and they want the game for free.

[DaveTheJackal]

I wasn't particularly attacking steam, with it's higher than highstreet prices, from a company that sticks 5 poor multiplayer maps together, puts them in a box labelled left4dead, and calls it a full priced game, I was just wondering why the whiners weren't.

[Jonathan Shepard]

Steam is the worst thing ever. I hate it. I bought MW2 for my brother for Christmas. We want to play online. Oh, shiz. It uses steam, so now how are we going to play together? We own the game, don't we? So why can't we both play it at the same time?

SecuROM is much better. Thank you, OP, for having common sense. And? It's always cool to have the physical copy, because, in the case your OS crashes, you're screwed if you don't.

Modifié par Jonathan Shepard, 06 mars 2010 - 04:31 .

[mcneil_1]

Dethateer wrote...

You're talking to the wrong person.

Sorry for some strange the forum quoted the wrong quote

[battleship potemkin village]

SecuROM is an eff'n rootkit.

If I wanted to destabilize my PC I'd install Windows Vista.  Rootkits are a deal-breaker.  I won't install anything that effs up my computer.

Modifié par battleship potemkin village, 06 mars 2010 - 10:55 .

[RighteousRage]

DaveTheJackal wrote...
With steam only one person can ever play a game at once.

No

I have played Steam games from the same account on three different computers at the same time before; all it takes is human intelligence and mid-level familiarity with Windows