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[DaveTheJackal]

Vash3283 wrote...

RENTAL: Then the ME1 DRM protesters have nothing to complain about, since, by your definition, that's not rental either. Why do they protest ME1 and not L4D? You will see from here that though some definitions of rental include mention of a limited period, others don't. The difference between rental and ownership being that you pay for use of the item with rental, not the item itself.

L4D DLC: http://www.bit-tech....c-coming-soon/1

You can sell your account, resale isnt completely void, its simply discourged and harder to do. Either way its not a rental.

I could find videos of valve representatives saying stuff like "we're going to be producing plenty of free DLC over the next few months", if I could be bothered.

You could. And their defination of plenty of free DLC could be what they released, which was more then 1 DLC and could be defined as plenty. I'm not saying it isnt a cheap copout but it doesnt break the law, or lie.

And
someone was arguing PC game buyers weren't unintelligent. PS that's
also an argumentum ad polulum. Millions of people were ****s (wow it
bleeps ****s, the name for the people who followed a guy with the
initial A H)  in WW2. It didn't make them right.

Just because you dont like something doesnt mean it isnt good. Also most PC gamers are intelligent with tech, they have to deal with alot more problems then Consolers do. (More complex then a red ring, send in and get a replacement)

So what you're saying is that every game I get I can register on a seperate steam account just in case one is a duffer? And this is more convenient than SecureROM?

Hey, how do I change the e-mail on my account so the new owner can take advantage of it ... ?

Modifié par DaveTheJackal, 07 mars 2010 - 01:42 .

[Vash3283]

DaveTheJackal wrote...

http://www.shacknews...article.x/54485

"The company plans to add new scenarios to the game's initial 4, as well as new bosses and weapons."

BS.

Things they planned to add, yet never promised to be in retail, or even make it.

Hey, how do I change the e-mail on my account so the new owner can take advantage of it ... ?

Hey, limited installs is just as bad.

Modifié par Vash3283, 07 mars 2010 - 01:47 .

[DaveTheJackal]

Dethateer wrote...

I don't return them at all. I keep them. Wait, why would I buy a game twice?

So you end up with negative IQ based on a IQ to game resale correlation. Sorta.

[DaveTheJackal]

Vash3283 wrote...

DaveTheJackal wrote...

http://www.shacknews...article.x/54485

"The company plans to add new scenarios to the game's initial 4, as well as new bosses and weapons."

BS.

Things they planned to add, yet never promised to be in retail, or even make it.

At least we're agreed they failed to deliver what was promised and that your lies about what they promised have been exposed.

Though, they did delivered some of it, it was just L4D2. rather than free DLC.

[Dethateer]

No, seriously, why would I buy a game twice? The only game I've had trouble with was ME1, I spent two days tweaking and messing with it to get it to work. If a disk is damaged, I return it instantly and ask for another one. And I still fail to see how this relates to the Steam vs EA discussion.

[Vash3283]

At least we're agreed they failed to deliver what was promised and that your lies about what they promised have been exposed.

Though, they did delivered some of it, it was just L4D2. rather than free DLC.

Not once did they make any of those things, or should I say he the ONE specific employee not the company making an offical statement, promise those things.

[DaveTheJackal]

Vash3283 wrote...

DaveTheJackal wrote...

http://www.shacknews...article.x/54485

"The company plans to add new scenarios to the game's initial 4, as well as new bosses and weapons."

BS.

Things they planned to add, yet never promised to be in retail, or even make it.

Hey, how do I change the e-mail on my account so the new owner can take advantage of it ... ?

Hey, limited installs is just as bad.

I'm not saying they're not.

Please note: my original post was not that ME1's DRM wasn't a restriction but that no one launches spamming campaigns against steam on Amazon, and that was a mystery to me.

PS installs can be revoked and more are just a cheapish skype call or an e-mail or two away, whatever country you are in. You can never change your steam e-mail.

[Dethateer]

Haven't changed my email in... 9 years. And I lost those installs before the revoke tools were released.

[DaveTheJackal]

Vash3283 wrote...

At least we're agreed they failed to deliver what was promised and that your lies about what they promised have been exposed.

Though, they did delivered some of it, it was just L4D2. rather than free DLC.

Not once did they make any of those things, or should I say he the ONE specific employee not the company making an offical statement, promise those things.

Do I really have to go through and try to drag up all the videos I watched (assuming they're still around) in which both before and at launch, numerous steam employers say the same thing?

If it wasn't an official Valve line, where are the retractions and notices that it's not what they intended?

From the article: "The company plans to add new scenarios to the game's initial 4, as well
as new bosses and weapons. "There were strong hints at a flamethrower
coming not long after launch," 1UP reported after talking to Faliszek.
"

Modifié par DaveTheJackal, 07 mars 2010 - 01:54 .

[DaveTheJackal]

Dethateer wrote...

Haven't changed my email in... 9 years. And I lost those installs before the revoke tools were released.

You'd have to change it if you wanted to transfer all the features of a steam account to another player.

e.g. password recovery.

How would you feel about buying a steam account if everytime you needed this feature, e.g. after reinstalling windows, you had to rely on someone else sending you an e-mail which they could use to take the account back?

Modifié par DaveTheJackal, 07 mars 2010 - 01:56 .

[Vash3283]

DaveTheJackal wrote...

Vash3283 wrote...

At least we're agreed they failed to deliver what was promised and that your lies about what they promised have been exposed.

Though, they did delivered some of it, it was just L4D2. rather than free DLC.

Not once did they make any of those things, or should I say he the ONE specific employee not the company making an offical statement, promise those things.

Do I really have to go through and try to drag up all the videos I watched (assuming they're still around) in which both before and at launch, numerous steam employers say the same thing?

If it wasn't an official Valve line, where are the retractions and notices that it's not what they intended?

From the article: "The company plans to add new scenarios to the game's initial 4, as well
as new bosses and weapons. "There were strong hints at a flamethrower
coming not long after launch," 1UP reported after talking to Faliszek.
"

Thats what shacknews reported(falsely on their part) however they only reported on one person, who is not Gabe Newell, and thus does not have full control over "the company". Honestly when did you think that sentance had any credientals at all, from the musings of a L4D WRITER.

If you are making new accounts for each steam game, you would have to do the same with emails, may as well provide them with the buyer as well.

Modifié par Vash3283, 07 mars 2010 - 01:58 .

[DaveTheJackal]

Vash3283 wrote...

DaveTheJackal wrote...

Vash3283 wrote...

At least we're agreed they failed to deliver what was promised and that your lies about what they promised have been exposed.

Though, they did delivered some of it, it was just L4D2. rather than free DLC.

Not once did they make any of those things, or should I say he the ONE specific employee not the company making an offical statement, promise those things.

Do I really have to go through and try to drag up all the videos I watched (assuming they're still around) in which both before and at launch, numerous steam employers say the same thing?

If it wasn't an official Valve line, where are the retractions and notices that it's not what they intended?

From the article: "The company plans to add new scenarios to the game's initial 4, as well
as new bosses and weapons. "There were strong hints at a flamethrower
coming not long after launch," 1UP reported after talking to Faliszek.
"

Thats what shacknews reported(falsely on their part) however they only reported on one person, who is not Gabe Newell, and thus does not have full control over "the company".

If you are making new accounts for each steam game, you would have to do the same with emails, may as well provide them with the buyer as well.

Shack news, 1UP ... not to mention the VIDEOS I've seen of valvonauts saying the same. Are you a  valve employee btw? Just checking.

From 1UP:

Keeping on the online bonanza, writer Chet Faliszek said that Valve
plans to get the DLC rolling much more quickly with Left 4 Dead than it
has been able to for Team Fortress 2.
Plans already in the works call for new campaigns, weapons, and boss
infected (the game's zombie enemies). In addition, there were strong
hints at a flamethrower coming not long after launch.

Modifié par DaveTheJackal, 07 mars 2010 - 01:59 .

[Vash3283]

Yet nothing from Gabe Newell or an official representative, thus not making it a company statement, regardless what any news, or reporting network states.

Chet Faliszek - Writer

We are all still trying to figure out exactly what it is that Chet does at
Valve, but at the very least he occupies office space on the 11th floor as
self-proclaimed Mr. Awesome.

Yes, his statements are definatly a company policy.
<_<
http://www.valvesoft...com/people.html

Modifié par Vash3283, 07 mars 2010 - 02:03 .

[DaveTheJackal]

Vash3283 wrote...

Yet nothing from Gabe Newell or an official representative, thus not making it a company statement, regardless what any news, or reporting network states.

Chet Faliszek - Writer

We are all still trying to figure out exactly what it is that Chet does at
Valve, but at the very least he occupies office space on the 11th floor as
self-proclaimed Mr. Awesome.

Yes, his statements are definatly a company policy.
<_<
http://www.valvesoft...com/people.html

http://half-life.wik...i/Chet_Faliszek

Chet Faliszek is the co-writer, along with Marc Laidlaw and Erik Wolpaw, of the Half-Life 2: Episode One, Half-Life 2: Episode Two, and Portal stories. He also wrote the story for Left 4 Dead. He is, with Wolpaw, the creator of the now defunct website Old Man Murray. Today he shares an office at Valve with Wolpaw and Laidlaw. The latter states about Wolpaw and Faliszek on his personal blog that "for years, Chet and Erik were legendary figures of mythic status to me. They still are, except now I can throw things over my shoulder and hit them."[1]

Look inside your game manual, you'll see him credited there too.

Modifié par DaveTheJackal, 07 mars 2010 - 02:09 .

[Vash3283]

DaveTheJackal wrote...

Vash3283 wrote...

Yet nothing from Gabe Newell or an official representative, thus not making it a company statement, regardless what any news, or reporting network states.

Chet Faliszek - Writer

We are all still trying to figure out exactly what it is that Chet does at
Valve, but at the very least he occupies office space on the 11th floor as
self-proclaimed Mr. Awesome.

Yes, his statements are definatly a company policy.
<_<
http://www.valvesoft...com/people.html

http://half-life.wik...i/Chet_Faliszek

Chet Faliszek is the co-writer, along with Marc Laidlaw and Erik Wolpaw, of the Half-Life 2: Episode One, Half-Life 2: Episode Two, and Portal stories. He also wrote the story for Left 4 Dead. He is, with Wolpaw, the creator of the now defunct website Old Man Murray. Today he shares an office at Valve with Wolpaw and Laidlaw. The latter states about Wolpaw and Faliszek on his personal blog that "for years, Chet and Erik were legendary figures of mythic status to me. They still are, except now I can throw things over my shoulder and hit them."[1]

Look inside your game manual, you'll see him credited there too.

I never said he wassnt apart of Valve, just that his opinion has as much weight as mine for a place I work for, Example: I work within a paper company and announce to the NYtimes that my companywill now discontinue paper, when all I do is help manage the files.

It means nothing, unless an offical represenative or the CEO of my company states something. He was simply leaking Valves plans, not promises for the future.

[DaveTheJackal]

Don't be an idiot Vash, if he was such a liability why'd they put him on official EA L4D2 prerelease videos?

Valve made promises they didn't keep. Get over it.

Hey I get it now! Is your name Chet, second name Faliszek> Trying to cover our tracks are we? Hmmmm... ?

Modifié par DaveTheJackal, 07 mars 2010 - 02:21 .

[Vash3283]

You are the idiot here, they never promised you ANYTHING, they planned something, plans change, for every company including Bioware, get over it.

BTW: All those articles state their plans, which are NEVER promised to come to fruition.

Modifié par Vash3283, 07 mars 2010 - 02:26 .

[DaveTheJackal]

Vash3283 wrote...

You are the idiot here, they never promised you ANYTHING, they planned something, plans change, for every company including ME2, get over it.

There's a difference. ME2 is a full game, it's pretty much got everything that was promised. With L4D the line was "don't worry about the lack of content, there's plenty more coming".

Of course plans change, promises are broken. The only thing I'm arguing is that plans did changed and promises were broken. I'm glad you agree on that.

ME1's DRM is no worse than Steam, neither ever included a root kit. IMO Steam is more restrictive, whatever the benefits, but I don't have any real problems with either, other than the fact I couldn't sell L4D. 

And yet the whiners tried to blacklist ME1. Why? Are you ever going to address the subject of this thread? Don't you realise you're completely off topic here?

Modifié par DaveTheJackal, 07 mars 2010 - 02:28 .

[Vash3283]

DaveTheJackal wrote...

Vash3283 wrote...

You are the idiot here, they never promised you ANYTHING, they planned something, plans change, for every company including ME2, get over it.

There's a difference. ME2 is a full game, it's pretty much got everything that was promised. With L4D the line was "don't worry about the lack of content, there's plenty more coming".

Of course plans change, promises are broken. The only thing I'm arguing is that plans did changed and promises were broken. I'm glad you agree on that.

ME1's DRM is no worse than Steam, neither ever included a root kit. IMO Steam is more restrictive, whatever the benefits, but I don't have any real problems with either, other than the fact I couldn't sell L4D.

That wassnt the line they used ,"Get Infected" was I believe, thats your line. No promise was broken, because no promise was made. Please dont make me outline the diffrence between a PLAN and a PROMISE.

Also ME2 has free DLC for a reason, the Hammerhead was actually promised.

Modifié par Vash3283, 07 mars 2010 - 02:34 .

[DaveTheJackal]

Vash3283 wrote...

DaveTheJackal wrote...

Vash3283 wrote...

You are the idiot here, they never promised you ANYTHING, they planned something, plans change, for every company including ME2, get over it.

There's a difference. ME2 is a full game, it's pretty much got everything that was promised. With L4D the line was "don't worry about the lack of content, there's plenty more coming".

Of course plans change, promises are broken. The only thing I'm arguing is that plans did changed and promises were broken. I'm glad you agree on that.

ME1's DRM is no worse than Steam, neither ever included a root kit. IMO Steam is more restrictive, whatever the benefits, but I don't have any real problems with either, other than the fact I couldn't sell L4D.

That wassnt the line they used ,"Get Infected" was I believe, thats your line. No promise was broken, because no promise was made. Please dont make me outline the diffrence between a PLAN and a PROMISE.

I could argue the point. But who really cares. I didn't like L4D from the get go, once I realised it was basically the demo x 4. Long before any promised or planned DLC failed to materialise. The point is Steam has just as many, if not more, drawbacks as SecurROM, depending on how you look at it, it's even more of a rental system for one.

Where are the anti-steam whiners? I have no complaints about Secure ROM or Steam, other than the fact I couldn't resell L4D.

[Vash3283]

Free DLC was released you know.. anyways if you have no complaints about steam stop flaming it constantly and let the thread die.



Tens of millions beg to differ about it being a third party application to purchase games not rent them.

[Cascadus]

Dudes. This guy is a troll. No matter how much logic and hilarious wit you infuse into your posts, the troll still wins by virtue of him getting a rise out of you people. Just let this thread die like every other troll thread does eventually.

[DaveTheJackal]

The L4D Promises Thread

http://forums.steamp...ad.php?t=891994

Other stuff
http://ve3d.ign.com/...ad-DLC-Promised
http://www.escapistm...2-Boycott-Group

Modifié par DaveTheJackal, 07 mars 2010 - 02:54 .

[DaveTheJackal]

Cascadus wrote...

Dudes. This guy is a troll. No matter how much logic and hilarious wit you infuse into your posts, the troll still wins by virtue of him getting a rise out of you people. Just let this thread die like every other troll thread does eventually.

How can it be a troll thread, when I'm not the one trolling!?!?!?!

Modifié par DaveTheJackal, 07 mars 2010 - 02:46 .

[DaveTheJackal]

Vash3283 wrote...

Free DLC was released you know.. anyways if you have no complaints about steam stop flaming it constantly and let the thread die.

Tens of millions beg to differ about it being a third party application to purchase games not rent them.

They obviously haven't read the EULA of their software.