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[Vash3283]

Ok I am done responding in here I hope you're satisfied with all your negative feedback, steam will continue to grow, and be more popular and a better service then DRM. Good day sir.

[DaveTheJackal]

You and a couple of others were negative. In numbers of posts, talking off topic and fanboism you win.

For facts, evidence and being right, I think me and the other non-steam employees may have a point.

"Ok I am done responding in here I hope you're satisfied with all your
negative feedback, steam will continue to grow, and be more popular and
a better service then DRM. Good day sir."

1. "a better service THAN DRM. ". You claim that people without PC techincal knowledge are idiots and yet don't know the difference between then and than? Amusing ...
2. Steam IS DRM.

You say you're 'done'. I'd say 'beaten' would be a better word.

Modifié par DaveTheJackal, 07 mars 2010 - 03:06 .

[DaveTheJackal]

http://www.edge-onli...ethods?page=0,2



Number 5: EA's DRM

Number 3: Steam

[Vash3283]

I dont care about the opinion of terrible sites, with even worse magazines. The fact you think I'm a employee is the most pathetic thing I have ever read on an internet forum...sorry I'm just a loyal paying customer, anyways my facts and evidence outright won, and anyone coming in clearly saw that, the off topic was started by yourself, feeling the need to flame L4D.



The difference between then and than is very far from the difference between DX 9 and DX 11.



Nobody denied Steam being DRM, en fact my argument hardly ever went against DRM, only once did I mention my dislike for TAGES and Securom, which DO intrude on you all the time, unlike Steam.

[DVACDK]

Re-selling Steam games/profiles is against Steam Policy. When you use Steam/buy games via Steam your well aware of that fact since its commen bloody sense.

So don't like it, don't use it. Simple as that really.

[Vash3283]

Agreed I was just presenting the possibilities, as some people still do it.

[DaveTheJackal]

The difference between then and than is very far from the difference between DX 9 and DX 11.

Nobody denied Steam being DRM, en fact my argument hardly ever went against DRM, only once did I mention my dislike for TAGES and Securom, which DO intrude on you all the time, unlike Steam.

There could not be two words with as different meanings as then and than. I'm not saying it makes you stupid, I'm saying that by your standards, where ignorance means unintelligent (not my standards), it does.

Again I'm not sure the average user knows just how much steam does infringe on their system. e.g. if you keep it running in the system tray, it does stuff, uses your internet connection etc. Can't you just go in to windows services and disable the securom service if you don't like it being there? Though I'm not even sure more recent versions install one. Steam installs a service ... do you think all those steam games get to users direct from valve?

[DaveTheJackal]

DVACDK wrote...

Re-selling Steam games/profiles is against Steam Policy. When you use Steam/buy games via Steam your well aware of that fact since its commen bloody sense.
So don't like it, don't use it. Simple as that really.

I agree. Though I don't like it, I'll be reticent to buy a steam only game again without at least playing it on a friend's machine first.

I just can't see why it's a better state of affairs than MEs DRM. The same applies to the hundreds of drmtards who posted their objections on amazon as Mass Effect reviews.

Modifié par DaveTheJackal, 07 mars 2010 - 03:18 .

[DVACDK]

@Vash
And you have all that right , just stating my own 2 cents

@Dave

Most people don't complain about Steam DRM since its the lesser evil by far, sure, you can't resell your games, but i personaly see that as a way better solution then forcing a limited number of installs, constant internet connection and what not. So if you "REALLY" want to resell your game, use something els then Steam.

*edit* and for Steam only games, thats a good idea to try it on a friends pc first, as you just stated.

Modifié par DVACDK, 07 mars 2010 - 03:19 .

[Vash3283]

Now you just sound paranoid, the only thing it does with your internet is download you're games or automatically update them, if you have that feature turned on. If it wants to record your system information it asks you, its part of the hardware survey evaluation, which you can disable. Anyways if you don't like steam simply don't use it, but don't say it does things that it clearly doesn't. Securom is forced on us, for every non-Steamworks game Steam is optional.



Anyways Tages is a root kit and cant be disabled, its terrible, and I will never play a game with TAGES again, that's for sure. (ANNO past experience)



Excuse my error in the use of "then and "than" I haven't slept in over 20 hours.

[DaveTheJackal]

DVACDK wrote...

@Vash
And you have all that right , just stating my own 2 cents

@Dave

Most people don't complain about Steam DRM since its the lesser evil by far, sure, you can't resell your games, but i personaly see that as a way better solution then forcing a limited number of installs, constant internet connection and what not. So if you "REALLY" want to resell your game, use something els then Steam.

Ok, don't get me wrong, and maybe I am wrong here, but I thought everytime I unistalled a game it revoked the installation. The only time you're going to run out of installs is with a phenominal number of machine crashes, where this isn't possible, and it will happen to a very small number of people.

In addition I believe they removed both the disk requirement and install limit for Bioshock 1, maybe they'll do the same for other titles in the future.

Don't you need to reconnect to Steam periodically even when playing games off line?

[DaveTheJackal]

Vash3283 wrote...

Now you just sound paranoid, the only thing it does with your internet is download you're games or automatically update them, if you have that feature turned on. If it wants to record your system information it asks you, its part of the hardware survey evaluation, which you can disable. Anyways if you don't like steam simply don't use it, but don't say it does things that it clearly doesn't. Securom is forced on us, for every non-Steamworks game Steam is optional.

Anyways Tages is a root kit and cant be disabled, its terrible, and I will never play a game with TAGES again, that's for sure. (ANNO past experience)

Excuse my error in the use of "then and "than" I haven't slept in over 20 hours.

I thought steam had something like a bit torrent client build in which is used for content delivery?

Just like WoW ... or at least that's how WoW used to work. It streamed content to other players as you played.

I checked and I have a "Steam Client Service" installed on my PC. Dunno what that is, but I expect it's to do with steam.

Modifié par DaveTheJackal, 07 mars 2010 - 03:27 .

[SithLordExarKun]

Blackadderthethird wrote...

No need to insert a disc to play a game

Not true in the case of aliens vs predator.

[Vash3283]

DaveTheJackal wrote...

DVACDK wrote...

@Vash
And you have all that right , just stating my own 2 cents

@Dave

Most people don't complain about Steam DRM since its the lesser evil by far, sure, you can't resell your games, but i personaly see that as a way better solution then forcing a limited number of installs, constant internet connection and what not. So if you "REALLY" want to resell your game, use something els then Steam.

Ok, don't get me wrong, and maybe I am wrong here, but I thought everytime I unistalled a game it revoked the installation. The only time you're going to run out of installs is with a phenominal number of machine crashes, where this isn't possible, and it will happen to a very small number of people.

In addition I believe they removed both the disk requirement and install limit for Bioshock 1, maybe they'll do the same for other titles in the future.

Don't you need to reconnect to Steam periodically even when playing games off line?

Periodically as in weeks at a time or more because of system updates.

Also as far as I know uninstalling does not revoke, atleast not with older Securom or the Securom used with BFBC2, ten installs, uninstalling doesnt count, and I get to call them up...

Which is a nuisance for people who visit, and want to play the game on a diffrent computer but uninstall it when their done for courteys sake, or even people who reformat/change their OS frequently.

[DVACDK]

Most games do have a revoke tool, or atleast will get one after a while on the market, a good example would be X2 and X3. Space combat something games not sure what to call em, but they came with a 3 activiation limit, and no revoke *as far as i remember* when launched, then after 1 year *i belive it is* the remove all forms of DRM on the game.



You only need to connect to Steam online to get updates, I have been without internet in over 2 month a while back and had never had any problems playing any steam games in offline mode.

[Vash3283]

DaveTheJackal wrote...

Vash3283 wrote...

Now you just sound paranoid, the only thing it does with your internet is download you're games or automatically update them, if you have that feature turned on. If it wants to record your system information it asks you, its part of the hardware survey evaluation, which you can disable. Anyways if you don't like steam simply don't use it, but don't say it does things that it clearly doesn't. Securom is forced on us, for every non-Steamworks game Steam is optional.

Anyways Tages is a root kit and cant be disabled, its terrible, and I will never play a game with TAGES again, that's for sure. (ANNO past experience)

Excuse my error in the use of "then and "than" I haven't slept in over 20 hours.

I thought steam had something like a bit torrent client build in which is used for content delivery?

Just like WoW ... or at least that's how WoW used to work.

I checked and I have a "Steam Client Service" installed on my PC. Dunno what that is, but I expect it's to do with steam.

Steam Client Service simply allows you to connect through Steam to directly download from their servers. (I believe.) Steam does not use a bit torrent client, they allow you to not only choose where you want to download from, but also provide blazing speeds.

[DaveTheJackal]

DVACDK wrote...

Most games do have a revoke tool, or atleast will get one after a while on the market, a good example would be X2 and X3. Space combat something games not sure what to call em, but they came with a 3 activiation limit, and no revoke *as far as i remember* when launched, then after 1 year *i belive it is* the remove all forms of DRM on the game.

You only need to connect to Steam online to get updates, I have been without internet in over 2 month a while back and had never had any problems playing any steam games in offline mode.

Ah ok then, I've been lucky in my choice of games then. Meh for the ones I've had it's no worse than steam, if not better.

[DVACDK]

Anyhow despise peoples different views etc etc its a "intersting" converstation thats going here. Just don't tear each others heads off. I'm going to get some lunch now, cos i don't know about you guys, but i'm starving. So be good ya all for now ^__^

[DaveTheJackal]

http://www.ict.ox.ac...tyle=text#steam



Dunno if it's trustworthy but it's an Oxford University site:



"Steam is a content delivery system from Valve Corporation, widely used for the distribution of games and for the provision of related services. The main content delivery system within steam is based upon the BitTorrent protocol but importantly it currently only downloads content from Steam's own servers."



So no, even though it uses bittorent it doesn't use your PC for delivery (atm), I was wrong.

[Vash3283]

The way I see it Steam is simply an easier method of obtaining a game, like D2D but also provide a community, and useful overlay in the process.



DRM is a punishment to the consumer to try and stop piracy, and fail at it, while hurting only the people paying for it, by asking for disc checks all the time, being a general annoyance, and having limited installs. *Revoke tool or not its still annoying, and makes me feel like I'm being punished for paying when pirates have no DRM or revoke tools.

[Spiwerk]

At the end of the day its your money, so buy what you want. If you're happy with your purchase good for you. If you got suckered with a bad product, learn from it, deal with it and move on.

[DaveTheJackal]

DaveTheJackal wrote...

DVACDK wrote...

Most games do have a revoke tool, or atleast will get one after a while on the market, a good example would be X2 and X3. Space combat something games not sure what to call em, but they came with a 3 activiation limit, and no revoke *as far as i remember* when launched, then after 1 year *i belive it is* the remove all forms of DRM on the game.

You only need to connect to Steam online to get updates, I have been without internet in over 2 month a while back and had never had any problems playing any steam games in offline mode.

Ah ok then, I've been lucky in my choice of games then. Meh for the ones I've had it's no worse than steam, if not better.

AFAIK Mass Effect does come with revokation. Either that or I seem to have fluked about 8 diskless installs. Which makes why this happened even less understandable: http://www.amazon.co...nDateDescending

[DaveTheJackal]

Meh Steam is DRM, but with added value. Maybe other content providers could learn a thing or two from it, restrictive as it is, though I guess Valve have it patented all the way to the ceiling which may well be why others don't/can't.

Modifié par DaveTheJackal, 07 mars 2010 - 03:38 .

[Vash3283]

I don't agree with the idiotic boycotts on Amazon, there's better ways to deal with something you don't like.

[DaveTheJackal]

Vash3283 wrote...

I don't agree with the idiotic boycotts on Amazon, there's better ways to deal with something you don't like.

That's all my thread was about.