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[sedrikhcain]

Karstedt wrote...

As epic as it would be to have the reapers be tools for a race from another galaxy, I wouldn't put money on things going that direction.

I have no interest in seeing that. Introducing that kind of total overhaul of the established plot in the third portion of a trilogy would be unforgiveable.

[DvS-Design]

The idea that such a highly advanced (harvesting) machine race who believe that they just "are",

can't even answer the questions that where asked on Virmire because we simply wouldn't understand makes my head spin, he didn't even try... ;P



In any case, i sure as hell can't wait for what they wrote down on the storyboards for ME3!



>_<

[Saetanigera]

The Cerberus News network has the story of a politician that died a year ago and was brought back to life by fusing a VI with the dead politician's mind. This was so successful that the VI completely assimilated that individual's life. This process could therefor greatly extend an individual's life span (no one wants to die, after all).

Now fast forward to where this technology is common place and accepted. Quasi-immortality is available, but every time you use this technology part of what makes you, you is lost (and eventually the immortal's mind falls apart).

Now add in the ability of biotics (Asari are a good example here), to pass on your memories to others. This is imperfect as the other person is separate from you and therefor resists your imprint. You learn how to create a device that will negate these barriers to make a group into one cohesive mind, but the drawback is that fully developed individuals go mad or burn out from the forced mental connection.

Now, using this device means you are almost immortal, but you are no longer able to function within a society or reproduce normally . You are aware that reproduction by continual cloning will -eventually- result in your death (and you have a long, long time to work on this).

The next logical step to prevent the deterioration of your collective would be to inhabit *one* perfect body rather than many that fail one by one.



Possible addendum: a hive-mind race to start, limited resources for all these immortals, and a reason why the race is going to die off.



This doesn't even get into the Quarian/Geth situation. In that case there was no one moment of creation. The simple creations extrapolate themselves into becoming intelligent. If your son wins a football game did you win that game or did your son? The natural answer is your son. Therefore, it's not outside reason to state the Geth didn't create themselves and thus the Reapers could have created themselves.

[kingcole225]

In theory a robot could be made via evolution. In fact the universe (or multiverse) is so crazy that it could definitely happen. Of course the game ME didn't want to blow peoples minds with all this crazy stuff that could be real so it is probable that ME 3 will end with a giant realization of how the Reapers were created, or maybe the Bioware will take a more realistic approach and explain that they were created like we were (I mean if you break it down all of our functions are pretty robotic). All though I am pretty damn sure that Reapers are created in some way (play ME2 and you'll gain some insight into this). The fact of the matter is that Reapers may be created by other Reapers as a way a reproduction while the first Reaper was created by something else (such as a Reaper queen using insect terminology) or they may have just been created by nature. Either way we are going to find out something in ME3.

[binaryemperor]

It could be that the robot is technically considered the next stage in organic evolution or something. I think the Animatrix hinted towards a theme like that. If humans made sentient machines and eventually went extinct, couldn't the remaining machines move on to become their own race, essentially becoming one of humanity's greatest legacies?

I remember a story that had something like that. Humanity was destroyed by an aggressive alien race, but the machines they built continued to fight for them after their destruction, becoming sentient and defeating the conquesting race before they could destroy other beings.

Modifié par binaryemperor, 17 mars 2010 - 02:08 .

[stegabba19]

i'm probably wrong i have played both games and they are great, but i just got this feeling that so little is actually known about the reapers except the say so of other species and scientific analysis that somethin else on a much larger scale uses the reapers as its ultimate weapon



therefore knows the only possible way for the weapons to upgrade slowly is by letting organic life evolve up until the required level, it may take millions of years for any affect on the actual shape or the power of the reaper to take affect, what this much larger thing is that controls the reapers i do not know, but it maybe one of the first lifeforms in the galaxy that wishes to detroy all life known throughout the galaxy and needs the reapers at full potential to make this possible.





hey its just what i think lol dont argue back with me at its says this or that is the right way or wrong lol im just givin my opinion of what i can imagine.

[Netzach]

wrong forum.

Modifié par kanuvis, 13 juillet 2010 - 01:31 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

kanuvis wrote...

wrong forum.

 *borrows your pic*

[HARGFTEW]

Hey guys

Im a little speculative about all your theories

You say that the reapers couldnt have just 'appeared' -so to speak- like organic life did in our universe

But my theory is that machines couldnt have 'appeared' is as far as our science goes.

So far thats what our knowledge tells us.

But as someone mentioned before, we also thought that the earth was flat, its clearly not.

So what im saying is that MAYBE its possible, with some strange force, maybe dark matter, etc.

that a sentient machine 'appeared' in the same way that organic life did.



Anyways if you want to discuss this farther, add me on MSN and hotmail "sovereignofdestruction@hotmail.com"

[Cody]

The reapers are a synthetic/organic race. They are both machine and organic. In other words they came to be like other organic lifeforms. They just added more "parts" to themselves...so to speak.

[Sursion]

It's probably the same as what happened to the Quarians, but on a larger scale.

[mrmike_1949]

Actually, Reapers started out in the vacuum of space, as vacuum tubes, .then evolved into integrated circuits, ...then logic........ cpus...........AIs:whistle:

all according to Moore's Law

[Atomic_Boom22]

My theory is that a race built the Reapers to transfer their consciousness into. This would explain why the Reapers see themselves as the pinnacles of evolution. As well as giving them the god-like mentality seeing as they are mostly immortal.

[RedjohnAndsan]

this is all just a chicken and the egg arguement.



However, look at it like this.. as some have said, Reapers may have been lying about their creation, and maybe they were lying about the prothians being just another part of the cycle.. Could the protheans really have created all of the tech, and similar to the geth-quarian situation, the reapers became who they are, and protheans wanted to cover their mess up?

[Simpfan]

Does it really matter who created the Reapers?



I for one really hope they dont go the route of: evil ancient machines > find last remnant of info on evil ancient machines even more ancient creators > use info to deus ex machina the reapers into dust.



If they themselves dont acknowledge having a creator, and these cycles have been going on for millions of years any info on the Reapers creators would be long gone, and Im fine with that. Its like the Borg in Star Trek, I dont really care how they got started, but they are here now and are a problem.



So I guess you can put me in the camp of "Doesnt want Reaper origin in ME3"

[Simpfan]

RedjohnAndsan wrote...

this is all just a chicken and the egg arguement.

However, look at it like this.. as some have said, Reapers may have been lying about their creation, and maybe they were lying about the prothians being just another part of the cycle.. Could the protheans really have created all of the tech, and similar to the geth-quarian situation, the reapers became who they are, and protheans wanted to cover their mess up?

That would be such a cop out for the story, Im sorry.
The entire twist at the end of ME1 when you find out the Reapers have made it all so they can kill everything would be made pointless if it turned out the Protheans created everything after all.
Plus any sympathy for the Collectors who were manipulated by the Reapers would be gone, since it would be their fault.

[mrmike_1949]

RedjohnAndsan wrote...

this is all just a chicken and the egg arguement.

However, look at it like this.. as some have said, Reapers may have been lying about their creation, and maybe they were lying about the prothians being just another part of the cycle.. Could the protheans really have created all of the tech, and similar to the geth-quarian situation, the reapers became who they are, and protheans wanted to cover their mess up?

You do know that Science has just recently determined that the Chicken came first!!?
www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/07/14/2010-07-14_which_came_first_the_chicken_or_the_egg_the_chicken_researchers_say.html

[vehzeel]

Why do people tend to assume that info in the game really is correct? The codex says things that humans say are true, but other races might not agree on the "truth". Many things are really about perspective and point of view.



Soverign might be lying about the Reapers creating the Citadel and mass relays. He might say it only to inspire fear, awe and hoplessness.If enemy morale is broken, the conquest will be smoother. Soverign might also believe in what he says, which doesn't make him a liar - only what he says is untrue.

[The Unfallen]

The Reapers have much more of a personality than the Geth or any AI seen in Mass Effect. I believe they were once a metaphysical race of beings, or near-metaphysical, and then their technology became so advanced that it bonded with their nature and then the Reapers were born after many billions of years, and so they must regretfully and reluctantly harvest Humans and other races to live. I believe Humans are just the first, and they were going to harvest the other races as well. But yeah just because it is a machine does not mean it had to be made, or that it couldn't have been organic once. In fact, humanity is well on their way down this path right now. A reason for the Reapers' actions could be because they don't want the other species to suffer the same fate, although it could be much stranger and much more outlandish than this as well.

[Anezay]

The reapers are egotistical robots that got all uppity with their creators and decided to annihilate all sapient life every few years so they can feel good about themselves.

[ShamieGTX]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Nobody sayed they werent build by someone... just because a machine tells you that nobody created it doesn't mean it's telling you the truth, only a moron would belive that since as you pointed out - they are machines. Probobly will be explained in ME3.

what if they where organics before that? they reached a point in there evolution where they merged with machines?
I think OP is asking what are the origins of the reapers

[Commander Steve]

guys. isnt it obvious? they were made by the Allsparks evil pyramid shaped brother the NoneFlame, and the final battle in ME3 will be the Transformers versus the Reapers and Optimus Prime and the Autobots will put up a valient fight,but are ultimately no match for the Reapers. Then, when all seems lost, Liberty Prime flys in and blasts those flying red chinese communist lobsters back into dark space, and not even the Reapers' MIRV will be enough to stop him. then the Brotherhood will come in after and declare the galaxy a territory of the Tunnel Snakes.

"Welcome to the Milky Way. Our Motto:' Tunnel Snakes rule." Question answered.