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[d1sciple]

Yvell wrote...

You know, I actually prefer the theory that the first reapers were made by the races themselves. Look at how the baby-reaper was made. The human-smoothie makers? Well, perhaps the original race the reapers were made from faced extinction. They must have been very advanced in tech and, rather than fading away into obscurity, they decided to 'save' their genetics and make themselves into the 'reapers'.

Now, how they went from there to genocide, I dunno. But think of what Harbinger says. "We are your salvation through destruction." Perhaps they eventually came to the consensus that the most powerful of races in each cycle will become new reapers, taking out what they deem an illusion of choice and making them into reapers as well. But, it's just a theory that I've heard, so...yes, speculation. *Nods softly*

you mean the Borg lol? any answer that seriously looks at them honestly 'saving' organics basically just turns them into Borg. anyone remember these?

-Brave words. I've heard them before, from thousands of species across
thousands of worlds, since long before you were created. But, now they
are all Borg.

-Small words from a small being, trying to attack what it doesn't understand.


-I am the beginning. The end. The one who is many. I am the Borg.


-We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will
add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your
culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.


sounds like synopsis of Sovs little speech huh? lol

[XxPRYNExX]

d1sciple wrote...

XxPRYNExX wrote...

 This is what i believe based on the Info given, not all the info is confirmed true... but that doesn't mean it isn't.

1-Soveriegn "says" the were not created (unconfirmed)

2-When they invade, they repurpose the species they find into a reaper(ex: the human reaper shep found), or some sort of slave (collectors and i believe keepers)

3-When talking to soveriegn, he speaks as a collective similar to how legion speaks, but is independent of the other reapers, explained by legion as the future they strive for.

4-Harbinger also says "That which you know as reapers are your salvation through desturction."

Now, the conclusion i came to with this info (assumeing its all true) is that the reapers created themselves. Now let me explain...

I don't believe the reapers were always reapers, but were a galactic civilization themselves, but they went further than they let current civilization go and found a way to become immortal, to become reapers. They combinded themselves into a reaper vessal and that is where the collective speach is from. That would explain how they have no creator, why Harbinger says they are salvation, indicating that they wish to save them, and possibly why they want shepered alive. They might believe he is the greatest of the race and want him in prime control of the human reaper.

So this is my theory, they created themselves to become immortal and that they believe they are "saving" sentient life from the eternal slumber of death. Any species that can't become reapers for some reason, (protheans & keepers) are still repurposed to something usefull. Cold, calculating, self-rightous.

but there's a real, menacing hate directed at organics and an utter disdain for sentient life for that to be the case. they have no mercy, and that goes against the idea of a race hellbent on ascending us whether we like it or not.
if they were omnipotent they would not have worked behind the scenes in the shadows and if they were benevolent Saren would not of had his epiphany nor would Harby of treated the Collectors like it did.
they're also evolving through each cycle, this shows us that they actually need organics for their own purposes, not for ours.

hmm... you may be right, but the theory of how they came about still holds solid for me.

[MaleekM]

Mass Effect 1 spoilers only Reapers are interesting.

[GaM3RN3RD1]

Of course they were created...Machines just don't pop out of no where. Its not like organic life and how they evolve.

[GaM3RN3RD1]

Davescarface wrote...

Personally I will be disappointed in the story if it does turn out that the Reapers were created by aliens in our own galaxy. It just seems so less epic too me if they were made by somebody else  I like the idea better where they do not originate from our galaxy at all. But they evolved into machines themselves someplace else in the earlier universe. Why do we really need to understand everything about their origins anyway? Sometimes its better when things like this stay a bit of a mystery. And you can't always get the answer to everything in real life anyway.

Well I don't think they even come from the Milky Way, or why would they reside in Dark Space for? and the fact that they need resources from organics to survive is telling me that they've probaly been traveling in Dark Space for a long time and then found the Milky Way and then started to harvest organic life in order to survive. Idk, but this is all speculation

[Johnny Shepard]

JMKnave wrote...

This is what you must do:

1. Prove that something can materialize out of nothing.
2. Prove that an organic/machine hybrid organism can come to be or "evolve" without being created by something else.
3. Prove that something can be created from something that is younger in age than it is.

Here's a hint though to save you some time. Physics has a thing or two to say about Point #1 and Point #2. And I haven't read any scientific studies to show anything of Point #2 ever existing in nature.

I know this is ooold but, what does physics say about how the universe started? Did it materialize out of nothing or has it always been there?
When you guys say that Reapers has to have been created because nothing just exists for ever, you tend to forget about the universe it self. Sure, a big bang made it but what was it that whent bang? And even if you belive God made the universe, then he has always existed.
The truth is, things can always have existed, iot's just us humans who can't grasp it. We have to have a beginning.

That said, I myself think that Reapers was created but I don't se that it has to be like that. Maybe they just came to being like the universe. No life that became life that made bodys to be in. Who knows.

[Reorte]

Johnny Shepard wrote...

I know this is ooold but, what does physics say about how the universe started? Did it materialize out of nothing or has it always been there?
When you guys say that Reapers has to have been created because nothing just exists for ever, you tend to forget about the universe it self. Sure, a big bang made it but what was it that whent bang?

Nothing. That was the start of time. "Always" only goes back to then, there was no "before" for it to go bang in. Possibly time is non-linear anyway, so you can't go back to zero, only approach it asymptotically. Or the whole theory could be wrong.

[KeylessDaNNe]

 Okey, I'm gonna post my theory to why the Reapers were invented.

Let's call the ones that created the Reapers, "The Creators".

Alright, The Creators created AI synthetics for whatever use they wanted and the synthetics made themselves believe that The Creators were a threat to their existence, like the Geth and the Quarians. So The Creators and The Synthetics engaged in a war that lasted for quite some time so that The Synthetics could create more evolved Synthetics to battle with. The Creators noticed that The Synthetics grew in numbers instead of decreased. So they were loosing the war, that's when they thought of creating a much more evolved Synthetic (The Reapers) than the ones they were fighting. Let's say they spent several lifetimes creating The Reapers so that no mistake would be made.

They finished The Reapers hoping that they would not start believing the same thing as the first Synthetics they created.
The Reapers however maybe thought that instead of doing what The Creators told them they would kill all intelligent Organic life as well as the Synthetics, thus harvesting all intelligent life in the galaxy to let the primitive life evolve. The Creators realised this and tried to stop The Reapers but it was all in vain.
So The Reapers cleansed the galaxy of all intelligent life and the Synthetics they were created to kill. And they told themselves that this needed to be done every 50.000th year to stop Synthetics from killing off all Organic life.

So The Reapers created the Mass Relays to be able to travel faster through the galaxy and then created The Citadel to use as the Relay that would bring them back from dark space. But to activate the Citadel's conduit they needed a Reaper to go activate it, this being Sovereign and/or some other Reaper/s.

And this continued for thousands of years.
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