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[Dr Bawbag]

Viz79 wrote...

MonkeyChief117 wrote...

Viz79 wrote...

What an odd thing to say - can you name many games that seem fresh after FIVE playthroughs? After 150+ hours, dont you think the game has given enough?

You have an expansion almost here, more DLC on the way over the next two years and the inevitable mods and adventures to add hours of gaming. There are already hours of gaming available (Fragments of Ferelden, Kal'Sharokare other campaigns and Ally of Murders expands the campaign etc). Available at the Nexus.

While im not disagreeing with you, you can't include mods as an extension of the game as a lot of DA owners have consoles (including myself and the original poster). So while mods give pc players a never ending game, i have to wait for 'official dlc,' which lets face it, is few and far between. Still Awakenings should be awesome...

Yes but regardless, 150+ gaming is way more than is expected for a single player game don't you think? I can't think of any SP game that I have played for that long  I have played many hours of multi player games (hundreds of hours in the original Team Fortress classic and 450+ hours in Neverwinter Nights because of online campaigns with other players).  But in terms of single player games, the only one I can remember is Final Fantasy X which I played for about 100 hours (a significant amount of which was just level grinding!).

The ONLY SP game I can think of that can compete is the BG1/2 with multiple options in playthroughs.  But this is its spiritual successor after after all!

The biggest flaw in your arguement is you're assuming your gaming tastes are that of who you're responding to.  For arguement sake, I've put a lot more hours into Morrowind, Oblivion etc than i have any multiplayer game.  So straight away that tells me both your opinions and my opinions become somewhat irrelevent when trying to tell others what they should or shouldn't expect from certain games.

[cella ragnarokk]

this is playtrough number 6:)



and yes...a lot of things are the same...but i have played my characters differently each time....so still...new stuff arrives....e.g. i am playing a thief this time, and suddenly a new guy popped up in denerim, with stuff for me to do....

[errant_knight]

Sylixe wrote...

warden guru wrote...

i just finished my 5th playthrough and i kinda am getting tired of the game because i know what is coming i know all the diolouge all the weapons and wer to get them and unfortunatly i dont have and downloadable content anyone have any words on this????

You should be happy it took you five times through.  I was bored out of my skull half way through the first time through. :/

Really? Then it's puzzling as to why you're on a forum devoted to something you found so dull.

To the OP: you can get the game at Future Shop or Best Buy.

Modifié par errant_knight, 07 mars 2010 - 04:30 .

[Janni-in-VA]

I've also logged more hours into Morrowind and Oblivion than I care to count. Gotta love a sandbox world! That being said, I'm finding DA:O highly replayable. Of course, I can read a good book many times over. I'm always finding little things I missed earlier. I won't tell you how many hours I put in the game before I figured out how to level up in camp. It's embarrassing, and I even read the manual. I've got eight characters, one of whom has finished and another who's at the Landsmeet, and it was just two characters back that I found the entries for the various schools of magic in the Fade. Speaking of which, the Fade is my least favorite part of the game. I'd rather take a beating, but I grit my teeth and go through it anyway. My goal now is to see how quickly I can complete just that quest.

[Cenwyn]

Janni-in-VA wrote...

I've also logged more hours into Morrowind and Oblivion than I care to count. Gotta love a sandbox world! That being said, I'm finding DA:O highly replayable. Of course, I can read a good book many times over. I'm always finding little things I missed earlier. I won't tell you how many hours I put in the game before I figured out how to level up in camp. It's embarrassing, and I even read the manual. I've got eight characters, one of whom has finished and another who's at the Landsmeet, and it was just two characters back that I found the entries for the various schools of magic in the Fade. Speaking of which, the Fade is my least favorite part of the game. I'd rather take a beating, but I grit my teeth and go through it anyway. My goal now is to see how quickly I can complete just that quest.

After 6 play throughs am still enjoying the game and am finding new things that I have seemed to missed somehow. But I am in total agreement with you, Janni-in-VA,  the part I am hating the most is going the Fade quest during the Broken Circle round. I hate that place and would rather get my fight on with an Ogre and swarm of darkspawn by myself. Be a lot more fun anyway.

I actually timed myself and I made it out in 1 hour including killing the sloth demon and freeing everyone. Just got the forms, some of the essence points and got out.  then to top it off you have to go back into the Fade to battle more Rages and a Demon to save Connor. Ugh, have I said how much I hate the Fade?
Let me know how long it takes you to get out of )

[Viz79]

Dr Bawbag wrote...

Viz79 wrote...

MonkeyChief117 wrote...

Viz79 wrote...

What an odd thing to say - can you name many games that seem fresh after FIVE playthroughs? After 150+ hours, dont you think the game has given enough?

You have an expansion almost here, more DLC on the way over the next two years and the inevitable mods and adventures to add hours of gaming. There are already hours of gaming available (Fragments of Ferelden, Kal'Sharokare other campaigns and Ally of Murders expands the campaign etc). Available at the Nexus.

While im not disagreeing with you, you can't include mods as an extension of the game as a lot of DA owners have consoles (including myself and the original poster). So while mods give pc players a never ending game, i have to wait for 'official dlc,' which lets face it, is few and far between. Still Awakenings should be awesome...

Yes but regardless, 150+ gaming is way more than is expected for a single player game don't you think? I can't think of any SP game that I have played for that long  I have played many hours of multi player games (hundreds of hours in the original Team Fortress classic and 450+ hours in Neverwinter Nights because of online campaigns with other players).  But in terms of single player games, the only one I can remember is Final Fantasy X which I played for about 100 hours (a significant amount of which was just level grinding!).

The ONLY SP game I can think of that can compete is the BG1/2 with multiple options in playthroughs.  But this is its spiritual successor after after all!

The biggest flaw in your arguement is you're assuming your gaming tastes are that of who you're responding to.  For arguement sake, I've put a lot more hours into Morrowind, Oblivion etc than i have any multiplayer game.  So straight away that tells me both your opinions and my opinions become somewhat irrelevent when trying to tell others what they should or shouldn't expect from certain games.

Not really.  You don't really have to take my word for it - the average SP game lasting around 20 hours these days is considered lengthy. ff its a RPG game, 40 hours is considered to be very lengthy. High replayability increases that as well.  Games that are 100+ hours are extremely rare and likely old school i.e. BG.  The fact you put 100+ hours into Oblivion just shows how much gameplay is possible in a sandbox game.  But to consider it a flaw that DA is boring after 5 playthroughs is ridiculous considering very few games produce that much gameplay. Why don't you just take a look at other game lengths eh?

[Dr Bawbag]

What games are we exactly comparing it to? The Sims, FPS, adventure games? Certain games/genres are bought/played with differing expectations, so simply telling me to look at other games isn't gonna cut. I don't buy games like Batman AA thinking I'm going to clock over 200 hours worth of gaming from them, i buy them because they offer something different to the likes of Morrowind and DA:O.

[Viz79]

Okay well why don't we stick to the genre at hand then? RPGs in the same vein as DA (and not sandbox i.e. Oblivion which compromises story for the sake of open world). Similar games would then be Fallout 1/2, BG 1/2 etc, Planescape, Icewind Dale, Arcanum, NWN (offline only), NWN2 and whatever else you can think of. If your average DA run is 40 hours, 5 runs would be 200 hours. How is that inferior significantly to any of those in the list (note that Planescape factors in with significantly low roleplay but is considered one of the best RPGs ever made and that apart from BG series, none of those others are ever going to close in on the 200 mark APART from NWN online gaming where I have ha over 450+ because of adventures WITH other players).

Basically all I can see is that DA excels at gameplay length and replayability in its genre - RP single player non sandbox.

P.S I am not aware of many genres that compare with RPG SP length other than strategy games. So in terms games IN GENERAL, it is impressive as well.

Modifié par Viz79, 07 mars 2010 - 09:12 .

[orpheus333]

Honestly I was struggling after my first play through. Managed to finish my second a few weeks ago. I'm currently trying to play a mage but i doubt i will be doing anything more than this character.

[Taiko Roshi]

lol I haven't even finished my first playthrough and find it boring ^^

[Viz79]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

lol I haven't even finished my first playthrough and find it boring ^^

Heh, I would love to know how you would have played the original BG games then.  No way would you have managed to play that without the fancy extras that are in DA!

[Chromie]

MonkeyChief117 wrote...

Well doing pretty much anything 5 times in a row will get boring - even great games. Unfortunately i've reached the same stage as you . . . but thank god for Awakenings in a few days!

Not everything...REPRODUCtion is always fun...

[Dr Bawbag]

Viz79 wrote...

Okay well why don't we stick to the genre at hand then? RPGs in the same vein as DA (and not sandbox i.e. Oblivion which compromises story for the sake of open world). Similar games would then be Fallout 1/2, BG 1/2 etc, Planescape, Icewind Dale, Arcanum, NWN (offline only), NWN2 and whatever else you can think of. If your average DA run is 40 hours, 5 runs would be 200 hours. How is that inferior significantly to any of those in the list (note that Planescape factors in with significantly low roleplay but is considered one of the best RPGs ever made and that apart from BG series, none of those others are ever going to close in on the 200 mark APART from NWN online gaming where I have ha over 450+ because of adventures WITH other players).

Basically all I can see is that DA excels at gameplay length and replayability in its genre - RP single player non sandbox.

P.S I am not aware of many genres that compare with RPG SP length other than strategy games. So in terms games IN GENERAL, it is impressive as well.

What you're overlooking in all this is you're trying to impose your likes and dislikes onto someone else. I'm not saying you're incorrect with your 150 hours comment, i'm just trying to point out what games you've played and enjoyed enough to play for +200 hours isn't necessarily the rule of thumb for everyone and vice versa. 

Now, as a case in point, I thought NWN 1 and 2 were rubbish.  Hated them and was lucky if i spent 10 hours trying to get into them.  So this begs the question;  who's correct - you or me?

[dan_12345]

I am pretty bored of it, too, after a couple playthroughs. I think the main problem for me is the story and characters. If it has a great story and enjoyable characters, like KOTOR, I can replay it forever. Bioware's attempts to be "dark" just result in wooden characters and dull plotlines, as also seen in ME, and probably even more so in ME2. Just like their attempt to be "Asian" resulted in boring characters and plot for Jade Empire. They should just write a story and let the characters dictate the plot, instead of forcing something like "dark" or "asian" on it. In fact, I have come to believe that story is Bioware's biggest weakness in general in their games, and artwork is their biggest strength.



I also think the battle system is boring; this WoW style combat is lame, with all this DPS and tank crap. I guess gameplay is another bad characteristic of Bioware. It's like they want to make something like Gears of War, so they make ME2, or they want to do WoW, so they make DAO. Or they want to do an action game, so they make Jade Empire. And then they just slap "RPG" on these things, as if making it into an RPG is a secondary consideration. Instead of saying, let's make a great RPG, and then creating a battle system that stems out of creating a great role-playing experience.



It's a shame, because they make such visually impressive stuff, with such big budget production values. If they would get their priorities straight, they could make another KOTOR.

[this isnt my name]

Im on playthrough 2 and its still fun, but damn I hate the mages tower fade mission, and ostagar, but soon my playthroughs will be ready for the expanion. Then I need another playthrough ot two to romance lelina and then I will find a new game I assume, but this game lasts longer than most so I cant complain.

[agrocato]

[quote]dan_12345 wrote...

I am pretty bored of it, too, after a couple playthroughs. I think the main problem for me is the story and characters. If it has a great story and enjoyable characters, like KOTOR, I can replay it forever. Bioware's attempts to be "dark" just result in wooden characters and dull plotlines, as also seen in ME, and probably even more so in ME2. Just like their attempt to be "Asian" resulted in boring characters and plot for Jade Empire. They should just write a story and let the characters dictate the plot, instead of forcing something like "dark" or "asian" on it. In fact, I have come to believe that story is Bioware's biggest weakness in general in their games, and artwork is their biggest strength.



Wow, that is a first, most people - myself included - love Bioware because of their talent for story-telling. Jade Empire, KOTOR and now DAO are the only RPGs which managed to make me really feel with my character. Fury (just think about the betrayels in some of the origin stories), sadness, joy, ... you will all find and feel it in these games. That's what makes these games special and replayable.

As concerns the "boring" "Asian", I personally loved Jade Empire. Never understood why it didn't succeed as well as other Bioware games. The background was highly original, the artwork was great and the moral choices the game offered you went very far (especially the evil path had a really twisted dimension). And don't forget the companions: where else do you get a tiny baker escaping from his wife's grip as a companion? Another cliché dwarf like Oghren just pales in comparison.

Modifié par agrocato, 08 mars 2010 - 12:41 .

[orpheus333]

I don't believe its DAOs fault thinking on it i am just not able to dedicate my time to a game through multiple playthroughs now compared to my first few stints at BG2. Having said that BG2 is no different to DAO when it comes to content or the dynamics of that content. Perhaps its the personal nature of the story that drew me in again and again.

[Taiko Roshi]

Viz79 wrote...

Taiko Roshi wrote...

lol I haven't even finished my first playthrough and find it boring ^^

Heh, I would love to know how you would have played the original BG games then.  No way would you have managed to play that without the fancy extras that are in DA!

I played BG 1/2 (three times), Icewind Dale (2 times), NWN 1/2 (4 times), Jade Empire (2 Times), KoTOR 2 (six times). I'm struggling to stay ingaged with DA:O ATM. But I think it may be due to the fact that I've got a full-time job whereas with the other games I was a student with plenty of spare time.

 

[cella ragnarokk]

i see that some people say the game is boring...well...yes...i thougt it was boring with mage to...couldent finish..(I rearly play mage in any game) so...if you find it boring in your first playtrough....start over with a different character:)

[Never]

warden guru wrote...

i just finished my 5th playthrough and i kinda am getting tired of the game because i know what is coming i know all the diolouge all the weapons and wer to get them and unfortunatly i dont have and downloadable content anyone have any words on this????

Go buy Mass Effect!

[thegreateski]

After 5 plathoughs this game gets kinda boring.

Modifié par thegreateski, 08 mars 2010 - 07:16 .

[asaiasai]

I did 9 straight plays then i took a month off to play ME and ME2 which i was only able to get 4 before i was bored. DAO provided so much more content than both ME and ME2 combined, i actually just finished my second female human noble sword and board, and am starting my fourth female mage (i have 2 female elves and humans) different schools this time so i guess i am on play 11 now. I am gearing the new ones up for the expansion taking different story outcomes for each one just to see if there is going to be any real difference in the continuation of the character.

To those of you that have a particular class that you find boring, yea i have the rogue class i can add to that pile, i have not been able to finish any of the 2 rogues i started. I like the warrior and mage class, the mage class can be boring, especially once you figure out how to tweak a mage into an Uber death machine laying waste to large swaths of land.

Asai

Modifié par asaiasai, 08 mars 2010 - 07:25 .

[Vaeliorin]

asaiasai wrote...
I did 9 straight plays then i took a month off to play ME and ME2 which i was only able to get 4 before i was bored. DAO provided so much more content than both ME and ME2 combined, i actually just finished my second female human noble sword and board, and am starting my fourth female mage (i have 2 female elves and humans) different schools this time so i guess i am on play 11 now. I am gearing the new ones up for the expansion taking different story outcomes for each one just to see if there is going to be any real difference in the continuation of the character.

To those of you that have a particular class that you find boring, yea i have the rogue class i can add to that pile, i have not been able to finish any of the 2 rogues i started. I like the warrior and mage class, the mage class can be boring, especially once you figure out how to tweak a mage into an Uber death machine laying waste to large swaths of land.

Asai

I feel inadequate now.  I'm only on playthrough 7 (a warrior archer, to fill out my all warrior/rogue weapon specs + an arcane warrior.)  I needed a Dalish for Awakening too, since my first Dalish is no more.

I still need to play a caster-style mage, though.

[The_Abyss]

thegreateski wrote...

After 5 plathoughs this game gets kinda boring.

Can't be a gaming forum without a picard facepalm somewhere.