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[madisk]

Busomjack wrote...


So you're saying lobbying is democratic?  I'd argue it is more plutocratic since it is power determined by wealth.

I went for the sarcastic approach, sorry. I just said that certain interest groups with enough resources can push trough favorable laws in the US, for the effect of pointing out that your government is not governed by people who know better. In the end, the decisions should still be up to the people, and that's why I'm an advocate of the democratic process, change trough discussion.

Busomjack wrote...

Well I don't live in a democracy.  I live in a representitive republic
and I think that is a better means of legislating and interpreting law
since your average citizens doesn't know a damn about good governance

[madisk]

Never mind.

Modifié par madisk, 07 mars 2010 - 05:57 .

[meznaric]

Many people have asked to see the actual content of my posts. This was a pretty long and heated discussion in a thread that started with criticising Bioware's story telling. I did not encourage anyone to break the law, all I want is to express my opinion as to what the law should be (http://social.biowar...5/index/1472548).



I do not dispute EA's legal right to remove me from the forum as a result but do think that the example shows that freedom of speech is not the same as freedom from censorship.



In any case, I paid for the game as evidenced by my presence on this forum. I received a Cerberus Network code with my game and am now unable to access it... I don't think this is right, no matter whether you agree or disagree with what I said above and in the other thread.

[Sir Shendar]

As I said, you should contact EA support (call them or use chat). I don't think Bioware staff can help you with this.

[KentGoldings]

I bet they can ban your indefinitely if you violate the TOS in the fine print. Since the Cerberus was basically a free giveaway...I'm sure they'll give you a full refund.

[meznaric]

The problem is you can only contact the EA support if you are not banned. Technically, I am still banned (although I should not be, since it was mean to be only for 72 hours). If you click on e-mail us it asks you for your username/password, which do not work for me anymore... I can only remain logged in wherever I happen to be logged in already (because of their "smart" cookie system).

[Varenus Luckmann]

I am Robin Hood.

[Nibroc17]

Busomjack wrote...

madisk wrote...

OP, could you please reference us to the post that got you in trouble in the first place? For the sake of discussion

Busomjack wrote...

Even though I despise people who act as apologists to piracy, I actually do feel a bit sorry for the OP.

I don't necessarily agree that disagreeing with the DRM limitations and other questionable ways the publishers 'protect' their investments is advocating piracy. Furthermore I think that DMCA is ridiculous and unnecessarily limits the rights of the end user who paid for their product. No matter how hard they try, they'll never eliminate piracy, and introducing new 'countermeasures' against it will only limit the rights of the people who legitimately own the software.

Name one game / software product that hasn't successfully been cracked by the cracking community, please.

Busomjack wrote...

I think putting piracy which is a criminal action in a sympathetic light is tacit advocacy.

I think you have a flawed perception of the democratic process.

I actually agree with you that DRM is an ineffective way for dealing with piracy.  Personally, I would deal with it the way ancient Islamic cultures dealt with thieves.  Cut off their hands. 

It would be interesting to see them try their "LOL TORRENT FTW!" with no hands.

In all seriousness though, I don't like DRM but that doesn't make piracy ok.

As for your second point about "the democratic process" interpretation of the law is not democratic.  Piracy is not a moral term, it is a legal term and the law says that it is illegal.  Just because you dissagree with the law doesn't give you the right to break it.

AHHHH RUN!!!!! TERRORIST!!!!! lol.

Ok i will stop you there.... Do you even know what America is?? Do you know why America is now a country?? It's now a country because people were getting tired of being pushed around by the british and all their laws. First and formost America is Rebellious, breaking laws we don't agree with is what this country is about. But now we want to shoot those who are doing just what our founding fathers showed us we had in us to stand up for what is our inheritance.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Busomjack wrote...

[...]

As for your second point about "the democratic process" interpretation of the law is not democratic.  Piracy is not a moral term, it is a legal term and the law says that it is illegal.  Just because you dissagree with the law doesn't give you the right to break it.

Sure it does. In fact, in some nations, if a law is unfair and unjust, it's even my obligation to do so.

[LeoInterVir]

America broke away in part to lack of representation in the British government and an over burden of taxes. Most people followed the laws of government as they do now.

Modifié par LeoInterVir, 08 mars 2010 - 10:24 .

[meznaric]

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[meznaric]

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[meznaric]

Can someone from Bioware PLEASE take a look at the original post that started this thread and resolve the matter for me? Or alternatively tell me how to contact EA while being flagged as banned.

[Kanye150]

i don't know if they did it on purpose or what. Is kinda weird that they suspended u. Maybe a mad employee?

[madisk]

If I was OP I'd consult a lawyer.

[tempAE0F]

Wtf is this horse****. Has this guy really lost his access to the game merely for posting an unpopular view on this forum?

[Sinister316]

meznaric wrote...

Can someone from Bioware PLEASE take a look at the original post that started this thread and resolve the matter for me? Or alternatively tell me how to contact EA while being flagged as banned.

After spending the time to read the thread that started this whole thing I have to ask the OP, are you really surprised your banned?

Really

You do realise you came across like someone who has a collection of thousands of pirated games and movies with his legal defense all ready to go incase the law kicks in his door. You spent an awful amount of time denfending piracy like it really matters to you. Nobody who didn't steal, yes it is stealing no matter what your opinion is, would waste that amount of time defending piracy if they bought all their games and cd's.

In the end whether you bought the game or not is irrelevent, you spent as much time advocating and brushing off piracy as discussing your original topic so you got what you desereved.

This time the banhammer was righteous.

[tempAE0F]

Sinister316 wrote...

This time the banhammer was righteous.

Yeah, losing his Cerberus access was completely justified for merely stating an opinion.

What is it with these authoritarian ****tards in these forums?

And all he did was merely state, quite correctly, that piracy isn't equal to stealing. And he's right. The correct legal term is copyright infringement. Stealing implies losing a physical object and access to it. No such thing happens when one copies 0's and 1's.

This isn't just a whimsical opinion, it's a legal precedent.

Modifié par tempAE0F, 15 mars 2010 - 02:57 .

[Wolfehunter]

Busomjack wrote...

Well I don't live in a democracy.  I live in a representitive republic and I think that is a better means of legislating and interpreting law since your average citizens doesn't know a damn about good governance.  If law were interpreted by people in the USA then the civil rights act would've been a failure since the turning point was a court ruling that went against the majority of people.  There is a difference between advocating for different laws and breaking them.  What you're suggesting seems to fall more under the latter.  There are a lot of laws I don't like either but I sure as Hell am not going to break a law just because I don't agree with it.
Where I live, people don't interpret the laws, judges do and people do not elect judges.  They are appointed by politicians.  Those judges have said that piracy is illegal and their ruling must be respected because that is what it means to live in a lawful society.
I don't know what North Korea has to do with this discussion since private ownership doesn't even exist there to begin with but I would rather live in a dictatorship than live in a completely lawless society.

I rather live far away from all the crazies... Lawless or law fanboyz...   But where live sharing isn't ilegal.. Yet..  though certain US lead interest groups are working hard to change the laws here... Thanksfully our politicians have balls and say No.

[OneBadAssMother]

This is rather shocking news. But not anything I didn't expect from EA anyway.

I play without DLC anyway, don't like being online in an offline game. Game is great enough as it is made by Bioware.

Modifié par OneBadAssMother, 15 mars 2010 - 03:01 .

[Sinister316]

tempAE0F wrote...

Sinister316 wrote...

This time the banhammer was righteous.

Yeah, losing his Cerberus access was completely justified for merely stating an opinion.

What is it with these authoritarian ****tards in these forums?

And all he did was merely state, quite correctly, that piracy isn't equal to stealing. And he's right. The correct legal term is copyright infringement. Stealing implies losing a physical object and access to it. No such thing happens when one copies 0's and 1's.

This isn't just a whimsical opinion, it's a legal precedent.

EA and and other developers that run forums like these have the right to determine what is acceptable for discussion on these forums. Forums like these are made to discuss game issues related to the forum, not to engage in political, social, or legal debate. It has nothing to do with free speech, it has to do with the forum being used in a way its not intended to be.
 
I'll say it again, the OP spent as much time brushing off piracy and advocating it as some kind of retarded free marketing for the publisher as he did discussing his original topic. If you believe you have the right to advocate piracy on a game developers forum then your bread must be half baked.

Kudos to EA, a ban well deserved.

[meznaric]

Sinister316 wrote...

tempAE0F wrote...

Sinister316 wrote...

This time the banhammer was righteous.

Yeah, losing his Cerberus access was completely justified for merely stating an opinion.

What is it with these authoritarian ****tards in these forums?

And all he did was merely state, quite correctly, that piracy isn't equal to stealing. And he's right. The correct legal term is copyright infringement. Stealing implies losing a physical object and access to it. No such thing happens when one copies 0's and 1's.

This isn't just a whimsical opinion, it's a legal precedent.

EA and and other developers that run forums like these have the right to determine what is acceptable for discussion on these forums. Forums like these are made to discuss game issues related to the forum, not to engage in political, social, or legal debate. It has nothing to do with free speech, it has to do with the forum being used in a way its not intended to be.
 
I'll say it again, the OP spent as much time brushing off piracy and advocating it as some kind of retarded free marketing for the publisher as he did discussing his original topic. If you believe you have the right to advocate piracy on a game developers forum then your bread must be half baked.

Kudos to EA, a ban well deserved.

I am not saying that the EA does not have a right to remove me from the forums. But it is one thing to remove me from the forum and quite another to prevent me from accessing something I PAID FOR. 

As for my views, I am simply a very political person and have very strong opinions. I have bought many games over the years because I think the developers deserve to get something for making a good game. What I was really trying to advocate is that a different business model would work just as well and that anti-piracy laws are unnecessary. Besides, who cares what I said, I expressed a political opinion and lost access to something I paid for. Do you really think this is right?

[Sinister316]

meznaric wrote...
 What I was really trying to advocate is that a different business model would work just as well and that anti-piracy laws are unnecessary.

Whatever you were trying to do, you were doing it in the wrong place. As I said this is not a forum for social, political, or legal debate but a place to discuss issues related to ME1&ME2. 
 

meznaric wrote...Besides, who cares what I said, I expressed a political opinion and lost access to something I paid for. Do you really think this is right?

Here's where I actually am on your side. You should have access to any content you have paid for, no doubt about it. The thing bothering me here is EA not responding to you due to being flagged(according to you that is). The only reason I can imagine for them to do such a thing is if your using a stolen Cerebus code. I'm not saying you are using a stolen code, but what other possible reason would there be for them to ignore a paying customer. A temp ban for your inappropriate posts yes, but a perma ban no. 
 
Something doesn't add up.

[meznaric]

While I can't prove to you that I actually bought the game, EA should know at least from the fact that I used a promotion code that was only available if you pre-ordered the game through Amazon.



Anyway, the ban was meant to be for 72 hours according to the automatic e-mail I received (during which time I was still able to post as long as I didn't log off because of the way their cookies work). But after 72 hours, nothing changed and I am (now several weeks afterwards) still unable to log on in new locations or access the DLCs.

[OneBadAssMother]

What the heck did you exactly say? I can still remember a few anti-EA comments I made but I've never been banned from anything.