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[TheTrooper1138]

cruc1al wrote...

So what if
piracy cannot be stopped? I gave you a "what if" scenario. Under the condition that no piracy exists at all, it is likely that people who now pirate games would buy games instead. Not all people, but some people. And that proportion of people is large enough to make it profitable for companies to try to fight piracy, or so they view it.

In Germany we had a Pay-TV channel called "Premiere", people used to "hack" it and watch it without paying. Now the successor of this channel is called "Sky" (like the British Pay-TV) and has an un-crackable system, so only those who pay for it can use it (like a perfect copy-protection). And guess what: sales are dropping rapidly (for one, because their prices are nuts). So, point proven, perfetc copy protection does not create more customers.

[meznaric]

RiGoRmOrTiS_UK wrote...

just read over your previous thread (all of it) that you got banned for. you make a whole lot of sense; a lot of it I've been saying for years. it's amazing how many people can't differentiate between stealing and piracy. I agree with neither; but they can't be claimed as the same and the way the industry handles piracy with draconian principles based on "physical" theft rather than digital is crazy. Compound that with taking away something you paid for when you simply tried to inform people of the difference between theft and piracy is crazy. Anyway; good luck getting your access back.

Thanks for your support. It's appreciated.

[Chiriri]

Sorry to come into thsi post semi-late but to be honest there is a legal way around using the rather nasty DRM software.

Quite simply just buy the game you want, and then use nifty tools that the third party programmers have created so that you can avoid the DRM tools. I've done this myself with those PC game's that I have rather enjoyed (Borderlands for example since I refuse to play a fps game using a joypad). And rather than installing the crippling DRM software, I just use the patches that allow me to deal without it.

Sure it can lead to some minor niggles... in the case of BL for example, it made it so that I couldn't add the game to my games menu to select in win 7. I also have to wait a bit longer while people make addons for the new patches that are released so that I can keep playing without the drm.

Simply put... did I buy the game? Yes. Do I like and use the DRM? No I do not,

Another way I avoid DRMs are that I just buy the games for the consoles when I can. Much like I've done with ME 2 rather recently. (As you can see Im registered on the boards, and have the game registered to me so yes I did buy that too )

Now to my knowledge... none of this is illegal since I can provide proof of purchase (game box, etc), nor am I doing anything worse to the software/modification of files than I would have done if I'd installed a mod in the game.

Modifié par Chiriri, 22 mars 2010 - 03:31 .

[TheTrooper1138]

Chiriri wrote...

Sorry to come into thsi post semi-late but to be honest there is a legal way around using the rather nasty DRM software.
Quite simply just buy the game you want, and then use nifty tools that the third party programmers have created so that you can avoid the DRM tools.

Except that it is forbidden to bypass "effective copy-protection systems" (at least over here and I bet the lobbies made sure of that in the US as well... <_<). Of course I'm doing it anyways and no judge would convict you for that, but still, technically it's illegal... so you could just as well download it straight away, since both is illegal... :innocent:
(no, that was not a suggestion to pirate games, that was just stating how stupid copyright law is )

Modifié par TheTrooper1138, 22 mars 2010 - 03:34 .

[MaaZeus]

Chiriri wrote...

Sorry to come into thsi post semi-late but to be honest there is a legal way around using the rather nasty DRM software.
Quite simply just buy the game you want, and then use nifty tools that the third party programmers have created so that you can avoid the DRM tools. I've done this myself with those PC game's that I have rather enjoyed (Borderlands for example since I refuse to play a fps game using a joypad). And rather than installing the crippling DRM software, I just use the patches that allow me to deal without it.
Sure it can lead to some minor niggles... in the case of BL for example, it made it so that I couldn't add the game to my games menu to select in win 7. I also have to wait a bit longer while people make addons for the new patches that are released so that I can keep playing without the drm.
Simply put... did I buy the game? Yes. Do I like and use the DRM? No I do not,
Another way I avoid DRMs are that I just buy the games for the consoles when I can. Much like I've done with ME 2 rather recently. (As you can see Im registered on the boards, and have the game registered to me so yes I did buy that too )

C'mon, lets speak about things with their correct names: Cracks.


But in any case, have you tried contacting admins of this site? I know Cerberus Network is not part of their work, but perhaps they can point you to correct direction where to look help? Even if they do not agree with your way of thinking, the ban you got was apparently meant to be temporal and it should be over by now, even they should agree with that.

[MaaZeus]

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Chiriri wrote...

Sorry to come into thsi post semi-late but to be honest there is a legal way around using the rather nasty DRM software.
Quite simply just buy the game you want, and then use nifty tools that the third party programmers have created so that you can avoid the DRM tools.

Except that it is forbidden to bypass "effective copy-protection systems" (at least over here and I bet the lobbies made sure of that in the US as well... <_<). Of course I'm doing it anyways and no judge would convict you for that, but still, technically it's illegal... so you could just as well download it straight away, since both is illegal... :innocent:
(no, that was not a suggestion to pirate games, that was just stating how stupid copyright law is )

Which leads to question, what the hell is "effective" copy protection system. How it differs from "ineffective" copy protection which you can crack legally, for example, to make it work properly in your system or such? Just asking cuz same kind of law was accepted couple of years back here in finland, even though it was laughed to hell by everyone, and even judges dont know how they should understand the law.

[TheTrooper1138]

MaaZeus wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Chiriri wrote...

Sorry to come into thsi post semi-late but to be honest there is a legal way around using the rather nasty DRM software.
Quite simply just buy the game you want, and then use nifty tools that the third party programmers have created so that you can avoid the DRM tools.

Except that it is forbidden to bypass "effective copy-protection systems" (at least over here and I bet the lobbies made sure of that in the US as well... <_<). Of course I'm doing it anyways and no judge would convict you for that, but still, technically it's illegal... so you could just as well download it straight away, since both is illegal... :innocent:
(no, that was not a suggestion to pirate games, that was just stating how stupid copyright law is )

Which leads to question, what the hell is "effective" copy protection system. How it differs from "ineffective" copy protection which you can crack legally, for example, to make it work properly in your system or such? Just asking cuz same kind of law was accepted couple of years back here in finland, even though it was laughed to hell by everyone, and even judges dont know how they should understand the law.

True, practically any copy-protection that can be cracked is ineffective, but what they mean is basically any copy-protection that needs another program to circumvent it, I think. Which is even more stupid, since I have AnyDVD installed and I won't even know if an audio CD has copy-protection, since it automatically disables any copy-protection. Same for Film-DVDs, even makes those terrible ads skippable... great program...
Anyways, imo no copy protection is "effective", since they all can be cracked easily, therefor the law is a major load of bs... still, technically any kind of crack would be illegal, but who the hell cares...

[Chiriri]

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

Chiriri wrote...

Sorry to come into thsi post semi-late but to be honest there is a legal way around using the rather nasty DRM software.
Quite simply just buy the game you want, and then use nifty tools that the third party programmers have created so that you can avoid the DRM tools.

Except that it is forbidden to bypass "effective copy-protection systems" (at least over here and I bet the lobbies made sure of that in the US as well... <_<). Of course I'm doing it anyways and no judge would convict you for that, but still, technically it's illegal... so you could just as well download it straight away, since both is illegal... :innocent:
(no, that was not a suggestion to pirate games, that was just stating how stupid copyright law is )

Good point actually.  I believe I've read that a few times (I have been bored enough to read a few EULAs actually).  I suppose it technically is illegal then.    I do wonder then, what happens to those users who end up using said means to run their games in a different OS? Linux for example... most of this drm garbage will not run in Linux.  So as a result to play what you've bought you have to remove the drm to run it. 

The above reason, actually is why I ended up bothering with cracks in the first place.  I enjoy using linux a fair bit, and on my laptop has Ubuntu on it as opposed to a dual booting scheme.  So in order to get BL to work under wine I had to remove the drm so I could actually play it.  From there I just ended up using it in windows.

Now, I am not advocating that people use the workarounds to play games without purchasing.  Because God knows that the devs/companies etc need the money to keep afloat so that they can keep creating quality software.  Not only this, but it's also a good way of showing your appreciation with the developers or so I think at least :x

As far as illegal... I believe to be honest that there would be varying degrees.  This being in that in purchasing the game, you have purchased a license to use the software.  Whereas if you just out and out download it... you have no license etc.   

However that is also a bit muddy, since some licenses now I've heard do not entitle you to "own" the game anymore... (then do I technically not own the cds that the game came on?)    but rather rent you out the rights to use it as it where.

Again meh.... in the end I do think there has to be some sort of disctintion out there.

As for the OP... sorry to derail your topic even further, but I do suggest that you contact a form admin or some such as it sounds like you should have access to the Cerberos network once your ban is lifted.

Modifié par Chiriri, 22 mars 2010 - 03:56 .

[Dethateer]

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

So what if
piracy cannot be stopped? I gave you a "what if" scenario. Under the condition that no piracy exists at all, it is likely that people who now pirate games would buy games instead. Not all people, but some people. And that proportion of people is large enough to make it profitable for companies to try to fight piracy, or so they view it.

In Germany we had a Pay-TV channel called "Premiere", people used to "hack" it and watch it without paying. Now the successor of this channel is called "Sky" (like the British Pay-TV) and has an un-crackable system, so only those who pay for it can use it (like a perfect copy-protection). And guess what: sales are dropping rapidly (for one, because their prices are nuts). So, point proven, perfetc copy protection does not create more customers.

No, you see, he's assuming there are only pay-TV channels.

[meznaric]

Chiriri wrote...

As for the OP... sorry to derail your topic even further, but I do suggest that you contact a form admin or some such as it sounds like you should have access to the Cerberos network once your ban is lifted.

I have a strong feeling this thread is not going to accomplish anything to get my access restored anyway. At least we're showing them a finger . I'll see if I can contact an admin and hopefully get this sorted.

[TheTrooper1138]

Chiriri wrote... 

However that is also a bit muddy, since some licenses now I've heard do not entitle you to "own" the game anymore... (then do I technically not own the cds that the game came on?)    but rather rent you out the rights to use it as it where.

Another reason, piracy is not theft... you can't steal, what you can't own... 

Dethateer wrote...

No, you see, he's assuming there are only pay-TV channels.

And there are no free games? Or you can't get older games for a dollar and a dime so to speak? Or play Monopoly? 

Modifié par TheTrooper1138, 22 mars 2010 - 04:32 .

[Borschtbeet]

I'm confused. Why should someone who is banned from these forums also lose access to the Cerberus Network?
If someone breaks the rules here, yeah fine go ahead and ban him from the forums but why should what someone does on these forums prevent them from enjoying the game they paid for?

I think Bioware/EA is going a little too far here.  A lot of the DLC is stuff that people pay for like in the Collector's edition.  Taking that away from them after they paid for it sounds like theft.

Modifié par Borschtbeet, 23 mars 2010 - 10:56 .

[Don Moar]

Hey,



There should be no correlation between being banned on the forums and being unable to access the Cerberus Network or content which you have downloaded and to which you are entitled.



I've sent a PM to meznaric for additional info.





Don M

[Don Moar]

Hey,



After investigating and working w/ Meznaric about the problem he's having, the issue has been resolved and he can log in and post on the forums normally again.



According to our database, the ban was lifted normally and automatically at the expected time, but there was some problem with his account / password that was preventing him from being able to log in. Changing his password seemed to rectify the problem.



The problem about not being able to access the Cerberus Network was a misunderstanding about the way the *website* worked, not about being unable to access the content in the game. Again, your ability to use DLC does not depend upon whether or not you have been banned from the forums.





Don M