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Why is there so much hate for Jacob?


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#51
thegreateski

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Holy crap Gavin. What was that?

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Collider

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I've looked at the Jacob romance and aside from the eternally horrible "priiiize" (as well as what he says when femshep rejects him into the quarters apparently), it wouldn't be bad if femshep didn't sound like she wanted to rape him.

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LuckyIronAxe wrote...

Jacob Taylor is my go to guy, if I need it done, I can count on him.


Indeed.  Jacob would be my first choice as a "Right hand man" or "XO".

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Jacob is "Everyday Battlefield Casualty #44187"



None of his skills are really worth it, and his personality is so flat that it may as well not be there. Everything he can do, another squadmate can do better.

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He is better than Tali. She is just there because she is an old squadmate.

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gmartin40 wrote...

He is better than Tali. She is just there because she is an old squadmate.


Be purged with fire, heretic!

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I just thought he was out of his league, constantly.

He manages to complete one sidemission to save the Council from getting a cold and he thinks he's a hero like Shepard. He joins Cerberus, knowing they're a terrorist pro-human organization and he says he does it because they actually do things. Even those these things they do are bad, or end badly the vast majority of the time. At the least he could be honest and admit that Miranda's boobs had more to do with his decision than anything else.

He's the Security Chief on the Lazarus Project. Which I guess primarily involves passively defending a bench from rogue mechs across a chasm. You know, instead of securing the reason for the Project, or the Director, or the security center. Miranda didn't even bother sending him any messages, she had more faith in you staggering around solo after two years of being on the slab.

He's only good for getting shot instead of you out on missions. On a team full of specialists and the elite, it is like Human Resources accidentally put him with Shepard's squad instead of under the Mess Chief. At least he is good at cleaning guns.

The most respect I had for him is when he says that Miranda requires a better man than him. If only he'd apply that attitude to everything else in his life he'd be a better person. Well not really, but at least he wouldn't be around for me to cringe each time Femshep tries to talk to him.

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Lord Coake wrote...

gmartin40 wrote...

He is better than Tali. She is just there because she is an old squadmate.


Be purged with fire, heretic!


Saw that coming...

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gmartin40 wrote...

He is better than Tali. She is just there because she is an old squadmate.


Tali's powers are very useful on the right missions. (Namely her and Legion's loyalty missions, and the 2 Geth N7s)
Jacob's powers are very useful on all the missions where Tali, Legion, Miranda, Garrus, Grunt, Zaeed, Samara, Mordin and the Space Hamster's aren't. (Namely none)

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He looks like Kanye West after having his wisom teeth removed...



seriously, this guy has got some tumors of something in his face, plus his body proportions are weird...

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Karstedt wrote...

Lord Coake wrote...

gmartin40 wrote...

He is better than Tali. She is just there because she is an old squadmate.


Be purged with fire, heretic!


Saw that coming...


Oh dear...it seems he has incited the rage of the Tali fans.....perhaps we should run before we are mobbed by stupid?

Jacob's annoying 'nuff said.

Modifié par Myrkale, 06 mars 2010 - 07:47 .


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Jacob is a pain in my Sheperd's buttockal area. Annoying in the extreme. I tell him its his station so lead the way and he huddles behind me like a scared rabbit and I have to lead. I.m having fun shooting mechs and he whines "use my Biotics so they stop coming".



He second guesses my choices for a squad and I have no option to tell him to stfu and soldier. I get the feeling that he thinks he should be the leader not me. He is always poking his nose in where it is not wanted or needed. I don't trust Cerberus so I do not trust your opinion or motives. Butt out!



He is a royal pain, so on the suicide mission up the pipe he goes to insure his absence in ME3.

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Madecologist wrote...

One beef that people have is if playing a femShepard the flirting is very sleezy and... let just say... sleezy? You could hear the music from a bad 70's porn queue up and Quagmire walking by saying giggidy.
The other is he seems to be the Doubting Thomas when recruting some of the characters. It is fine but having the same person complaining like 3 times about a recruitment can get gratting.


This^

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Bachuck wrote...

I think he's a great character who was completely trustworthy without any of the baggage some of the other characters had. In fact, I would say that he is very much like a Paragon Shepard. He works for Cerberus but doesn't trust them. He's willing to sacrifice himself for the mission (he did volunteer for the vents) and he was the only person who felt Shepard was owed the truth (at the beginning of the game). Even people playing as FemSheps hate him fiercely. It really makes me think it's more than "he's boring" because boring characters usually inspire apathy; not hate.

Bioware gives us a well adjusted honorable character who is a perfect fit for the canon Shepards crew and it seems everyone hates him. Why?


Well in time on these forums I've found that a lot of Mass Effect fans are idiots with very shallow reasoning abilities. So that would explain it. Same reason they hated Kaidan, really.

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Keltoris wrote...

Anyway, less dialogue than Garrus


Uh...WHAT? The guy who does calibrations for 89% of the game?

Anyway, while his character was pretty flat, I thought he was a good 'friend' type. 99.99998% percent of all the Jacob hate in this thread retarded, over-blown, or makes no sense. [FEM SHEPARD ACTS LIKE A **** AROUND JACOB...ILL HATE THE CHARACTER INSTEAD OF BLAME THE REAL PROBLEM, THE WRITERS!!!!!11111]
<_<

Modifié par getterg, 06 mars 2010 - 09:46 .


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Collider wrote...

 I'm also surprised that Jacob asks about femsheps' feelings.


When I played through that conversation he seemed to only ask about her to divert the conversation away from being about him. He implied she only wanted to "help" him because she couldn't handle her own stress and issues. If Shepard then shares something with him he's like, "Feel better now?" I found it condescending.

Modifié par Tamyn, 06 mars 2010 - 09:55 .


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Actually, I kind of liked him at the start of the game. At least, I liked him much better than Miranda, who would be left on the ship the second I got any other squadmate. Jacob is trustworthy, I grant him that.

However, over the course of game I've found him...way too bland. Nothing remarkable or memorable about him. And don't forget

- FemShep voice in dialogue with him. Not *his* fault, sure, but oh my...

- He is not good enough for Miranda, but somehow good enough for FemShep? Really?

- His reactions to the new squadmembers, espetially Tali and Thane. Way too judgemental for someone who joined the known terrorist organisation just because he's been tired of red tape!



As for comparing him and Kaidan, I actually liked Kaidan more, for a simple reason that his worldview is fairly similar to my own.




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dont bring up garrus's lack of dialogue... it makes us all sad :( *loads up ME1 to talk to garrus beside the Mako*

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My prime problem with Jacob is how my FemShep acted around him. I didn't even want to romance him. I just wanted to talk! I don't remember him being particularly useful or useless in combats. At the same time, I don't remember anything particular about him in combat. Unlike say Thane who head shots everybody or Mordin who sets people on fire etc, etc. I just don't notice him when he's in my combat squad, if that makes sense. But I don't hate Jacob. I just like others more.

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Basically Jacob is the straight man of the game -- a normal, well adjusted, capable person, that grounds things and acts as a frame of reference to everybody else, who represent flavours of over the top distilled comicbook cliche essence, complete with polar personalities, personal demons and battle thongs. It is his job to appear pale by comparison - real people are too "flat" for pulp drama.



There's a bit of Garrus in him, in his impatient fleeing the red tape of the alliance and searching out "whoever get the job done", but without the individualistic vigilante self righteousness -- he is somebody who chooses to follow, although he also chooses whom to follow and never ties himself too tighly to said entity. Some, who miss the consistency behind his picks, might see this as the traits of an unreliable turncoat.

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I don't hate him. At first I thought he was cool and acted like a friend, but then I realized he's just as boring as almost all of ME1's squad mates (especially Kaidan)

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Taylor = Black Kaidan

=/ if i wanted a carbon copy of kaidan id have saved ash on virmire (and i really hate ash)

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jojon2se wrote...

There's a bit of Garrus in him, in his impatient fleeing the red tape of the alliance and searching out "whoever get the job done", but without the individualistic vigilante self righteousness -- he is somebody who chooses to follow, although he also chooses whom to follow and never ties himself too tighly to said entity. Some, who miss the consistency behind his picks, might see this as the traits of an unreliable turncoat.


While I've noticed the similarities, I can't help but prefer Garrus' way. Garrus did not join group that did things contrary to his own morals, at least. And he makes damn sure that his team does not commit anything that he considers wrong (no innocents caught in crossfire etc)
While Jacob knows full well what kind of things Cerberus commits on daily basis (no, he can't claim ignorance like some of the crew), knows that such things are wrong and still works for Cerberus.

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Beholderess wrote...
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While Jacob knows full well what kind of things Cerberus commits on daily basis (no, he can't claim ignorance like some of the crew), knows that such things are wrong and still works for Cerberus.


Really?
Before Shepard's reawakening,  unless I am mistaken, Jacob's whole occupation at Cerberus has been that of a security officer at the Lazarus project site - doesn't seem like the sort of position that would grant him insight into organisation secrets. His other source of intel would be third or fourth hand info from his previous alliance/freelancer service and he might question the validity of any such "mere rumors".
Heck, even Miranda is surprised to learn about Timmie's dirty laundry and walks through the entire game in denial.

Either way, none of the hate/love threads around here, can be said to be representative of the entire body of people who has purchased the games - It's like polls; only the driven votes, resulting in a skewed outcome. :)

Modifié par jojon2se, 06 mars 2010 - 10:46 .


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Malysoun wrote...

Shepard: Jacob, stay here with Garrus and keep him alive.
Jacob: If you say so, I don't think it's a good idea.

*restart mission and take Jack instead of Jacob, he can camp out in the ship's armory for all I care*
Shepard: Jack, stay here with Garrus and keep him alive.
Jack: Yep.

It's the constant, "I don't agree with what you're telling me to do" attitude that makes me want to tell EDI to space him.


^This

His lazy eye.

His porn star "suave" (which has already been mentioned here several times). I haven't even bothered trying to romance him to the end. Seeing the cut scene on youtube was more than enough.

And, lastly... the crap he yells out in the middle of a fight.

"Gravity is one meeeeeean mutha, huh?!"

I think I hate that the most. I can avoid talking to him. I can (mostly) ignore his negative attitude about my decisions regarding recruitment... but him yelling out "Gravity is one meeeeean mutha, huh?!" is just so irritating to me. It's that last straw.

I frequently put Jacob in the tubes specifically so he'll get shot in the face, regardless if my goal is to kill off all of the Cerberus lackeyes at the end or not. Hell, he volunteers for the job and acts so ****sure about it... why not shove him in there?

"Heh. Sounds like a suicide mission. I volunteer."

<_<

Go for it, jackass!

In any case, Jacob simply has to die. His annoying personality and lazy eye demands it.