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[Weskerr]

I never understood why Samara says "Events will either forge him into a great man or utterly destroy him."

Where the hell did you get that idea, Samara?

[Zemore]

Weskerr wrote...

I never understood why Samara says "Events will either forge him into a great man or utterly destroy him."

Where the hell did you get that idea, Samara?

like father like son?

[Beholderess]

jojon2se wrote...

Beholderess wrote...
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While Jacob knows full well what kind of things Cerberus commits on daily basis (no, he can't claim ignorance like some of the crew), knows that such things are wrong and still works for Cerberus.

Really?
Before Shepard's reawakening,  unless I am mistaken, Jacob's whole occupation at Cerberus has been that of a security officer at the Lazarus project site - doesn't seem like the sort of position that would grant him insight into organisation secrets. His other source of intel would be third or fourth hand info from his previous alliance/freelancer service and he might question the validity of any such "mere rumors".
Heck, even Miranda is surprised to learn about Timmie's dirty laundry and walks through the entire game in denial.

Either way, none of the hate/love threads around here, can be said to be representative of the entire body of people who has purchased the games - It's like polls; only the driven votes, resulting in a skewed outcome.

Well, he says that he *has issues* with some of the things Cerberus is doing, which implies that he does know about them. But somehow he thinks that Cerberus is a lesser evil than red tape. Oh my...)

As for the polls - completely agree, but I doubt that most people are actually trying to get an accurate information out of them. It's all mostly for fun;)

Modifié par Beholderess, 06 mars 2010 - 12:02 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

I thought Jacob was fine on one playthrough, actually liked the character thought Bioware had stayed on track with their massive improvement they had with Alistair. Unfortunately on multiple ones I really noticed that he had a strange animosity towards the PC which didn't fit the opening segments, and that after the first couple of levels he really wasn't worth it as a party member or conversationalist in the story. He was the same kind of dry "I'm there" sort of character that Kaiden was and it just didn't fit for me.

[Weskerr]

Zemore wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

I never understood why Samara says "Events will either forge him into a great man or utterly destroy him."

Where the hell did you get that idea, Samara?

like father like son?

It's just strange because what has Jacob done or said that would make Samara even consider that he has the potential to be great? True, events utterly destroyed his father, but there was nothing great about him either.

Modifié par Weskerr, 06 mars 2010 - 12:06 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Well Samara is a nutjob and a lawful Stupid character anyway. Anything she says has the weight of a paper towel.

[JaegerBane]

Bachuck wrote...

I think he's a great character who was completely trustworthy without any of the baggage some of the other characters had. In fact, I would say that he is very much like a Paragon Shepard. He works for Cerberus but doesn't trust them. He's willing to sacrifice himself for the mission (he did volunteer for the vents) and he was the only person who felt Shepard was owed the truth (at the beginning of the game). Even people playing as FemSheps hate him fiercely. It really makes me think it's more than "he's boring" because boring characters usually inspire apathy; not hate.

Bioware gives us a well adjusted honorable character who is a perfect fit for the canon Shepards crew and it seems everyone hates him. Why?

Because he's been struck with the Carth Onasi syndrome.

That is, he's reasonably satisfied with his life, but has certain issues due to the way he was treated in the past. The general crowd tend to complete freak out over characters like that.... 'OMG HeE neVa duz anyf1ng bUt WINe aNd HE izznt WEEIRD'

[Tinnic]

jojon2se wrote...

Beholderess wrote...
...
While Jacob knows full well what kind of things Cerberus commits on daily basis (no, he can't claim ignorance like some of the crew), knows that such things are wrong and still works for Cerberus.

Really?
Before Shepard's reawakening,  unless I am mistaken, Jacob's whole occupation at Cerberus has been that of a security officer at the Lazarus project site - doesn't seem like the sort of position that would grant him insight into organisation secrets. His other source of intel would be third or fourth hand info from his previous alliance/freelancer service and he might question the validity of any such "mere rumors".
Heck, even Miranda is surprised to learn about Timmie's dirty laundry and walks through the entire game in denial.

Either way, none of the hate/love threads around here, can be said to be representative of the entire body of people who has purchased the games - It's like polls; only the driven votes, resulting in a skewed outcome.

I distinctly remember a conversation where Jacob admits that Cerberus deserves the tag of terrorists that they got. I also remember him making multiple comments about not liking someone the things he had to do for Cerberus. That being said, he does approve of Cerberus's no red tape policy. So he's a renegade but not full renegade and he's certainly not the blind singer of Cerberus praise that Miranda is. But he's no Garrus that's for sure.

[Bachuck]

I haven't played as a femshep yet, but hating Jacob because of the way he and femshep have a natural flirtation going on is ludicrous. So is hating him because he uses the term "the prize" when he's about to sleep with femshep. I mean come on, if you got that far with Jacob, the game is assuming you're going to romance him. To say it's degrading or whatever shows immaturity on the players part; not any sexism on Jacobs. Two consenting adults starting a relationship usually don't speak to each other the same way two professional aquaintences do. Hell, doesn't Thane break down and cry right before he sleeps with you? You're saying you'd rather have your male romance partner cry like a little girl than a man who desires you?

Some of these responses really don't sound logical at all.

[yukantseame]

is it because he's black?



from a male player perspective Jacob was worlds better than gaiden

[shinobi602]

I like Jacob. I think he's very down to earth and would make a good friend.

[kraidy1117]

I just fond Jacob borining. His romance was just dam awful and Garrus is my wingman so again Jacob is worthless. He is just utter crap in combat too.

[redguppie]

didn't mind him at all, but I also don't play as FemShep. Just compared to the others he comes across as rather bland. He is kinda like that buddy you have to go drinking at the bar with; great guy, but easily overshadowed in a room surrounded by other people with more dynamic and forceful personalities. Lifetime wing-man is his lot in life.

[Mondo47]

I didn't mind the guy... not the deepest fella to explore, not the most talkative, and certainly a cheeseball in his chat-up routine, but hardly as disagreeable as some folk have found him.

Not really my idea of LI material, but if we're talking about Turian stress relief...

[mosor]

I liked Jacob too. No drama and no bull**** with him. He may have initial problems with people you recruited, but what sane person wouldn't?



1. Krogan genetically modified by a madman?

2. A geth? Geth who raved eden prime and attacked the citadel? (He had no way of knowing of the geth schism)

3. A lone assassin? Assassins arn't normally team players.



All these are legit concerns to have. Just because we know they'll work out and have the restore game function if bioware engineered that they wouldn't, he doesn't have that benefit.



I think he is really refreshing from the "Woe is me, I screwed up and my life is crap now" shipmates you recruit. Jesus sometimes I feel Sheppard is more psychologist than soldier in this game. Jacob deals with his own psychological issues and that's a plus.



As for the romances. In my opinion, every one of these romances is cheesy, contrived and just begging to happen without even trying. It makes all of them absolutely dull.

[Lord Coake]

sometimes I feel Sheppard is more psychologist than soldier in this game

Thats a sign of a dammed good officer in real life, actually. Not so much on the fraternization side and being the crying shoulder for the crew, but being able read people, know their motives and think how they think makes inspiring loyalty and trust far easier, and tends to make those bonds even stronger.

[HeyBlade789]

No hatred, just uninteresting, he immediaty liked you, no like speech options to get him to like you, hes the femsheps cliched screw options, and his loyalty mission is appaling.

[mosor]

Lord Coake wrote...

sometimes I feel Sheppard is more psychologist than soldier in this game

Thats a sign of a dammed good officer in real life, actually. Not so much on the fraternization side and being the crying shoulder for the crew, but being able read people, know their motives and think how they think makes inspiring loyalty and trust far easier, and tends to make those bonds even stronger.

Being a pyschologist wasn't a knock on Sheppard. It's a knock on the teamates.

[_- Songlian -]

Karstedt wrote...

A) There are other male squad members who are all more popular than him.
There are other human squaddies that are all more popular than him,
C) There are other squaddies with incindiary rounds, all more popular than him.
D) There are other squaddies with pull, all more popular.
E) There are other squaddies with powers virtually identical to barrier, all more popular
F) There are other squaddies with shotguns, all more popular.

Aaand... there are other romances that are more popular than him. My case. 

I don't hate Jacob. But he's right up there with Miranda, somewhere between "Why are you here, exactly?" and "I watch my own back, thanks."  Incidentally, the two of them eventually hooked up. Who was surprised? Not me. 

[Big Yam]

Jacob is bland and witless. He doesn't say anything to shed new perspective or challenge the players morality. There is nothing substantial to get the player to love or hate him. He's just a parrot with cheezy romance dialogue.

[AdamBoozer]

ccconda wrote...

dont bring up garrus's lack of dialogue... it makes us all sad *loads up ME1 to talk to garrus beside the Mako*

Sorry but couldn't help but see how his dilogue is just as short as jacobs after a certin point.

[AdamBoozer]

ccconda wrote...

dont bring up garrus's lack of dialogue... it makes us all sad *loads up ME1 to talk to garrus beside the Mako*

Sorry but couldn't help but see how his dilogue is just as short as jacobs after a certin point.

[Xeyska]

-This.

-It took three times for FemShep to him to back off at the romance scene. Thick-headed.

-Constantly second-guessing Shepard's commands.

-Insulting team-mates.

-Saying he isn't good enough for Miranda, but FemShep is ok. Thank you so much, Jacob.

-Cheesy FemShep flirting dialogue.

[1490]

Here is a poll on the very subject of this thread. I encourage everyone to participate and share your opinions about Jacob!



http://social.biowar...520/polls/3036/

[Bachuck]

Xeyska wrote...

-It took three times for FemShep to him to back off at the romance scene. Thick-headed.

Considering that only happens AFTER you choose to lead him on, yeah, it's kind of normal for someone to be in disbelief.