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[Jalem001]

Currently doing a Renegade playthrough and I'm going back and forth on
if I want to kill Morinth or Samara.  The character I'm playing isn't
remorseless or evil or anything like that, just a rogue who's out to
get a job done and doesn't particularly care for all the rules and
bull****.  He's also Pro-Human in a similar way to Cerberus.

Even
though Samara is an authority/law figure, and that generally clashes
with the my Shep, I can't justify killing her.  She's loyal, she's nice
and polite...there's no reason to think she's an actual threat to my
Shepard.  In fact they're not so different since both technically act
outside the confines of the law.

Furthermore I don't really have
a reason to trust/want Morinth.  She's dangerous, she's addicted to
killing, and she's attracted to Shepard.  She's a risk with no benefit.

So can anyone think of any justifiable reason to kill Samara?

[Turkeysock]

To get her Domination skill.

[Blameless77]

There really isn't one. They're equal in biotic power, but Morinth is psychotic, so unless you're role playing Darth Shepard you should always choose Samara.

[Jalem001]

Alright let me adjust that:



Any RP reason?

[thegreateski]

Because if you're playing a Renegade then the odds of Samara trying to kill you at the end of your mission are pretty high.

[Suron]

I like her better than Samara...her dominate ability is really cool.



too bad I'm a Paragon at heart so my "personal canon shepard" would never recruit her.



but damn was she fun with my renegade.

[Jalem001]

thegreateski wrote...

Because if you're playing a Renegade then the odds of Samara trying to kill you at the end of your mission are pretty high.

I've tried using that justiification too, but I can't think of anything thats so awful thats its worth her hunting him down.  I could be wrong here, but I don't think Shepard kills anyone who is innocent.  And keeping the base isn't evil.  Perhapss he might hunt him down if Cerberus ends up using the base for horrible things (Probably inevitable).  Course he's not thinking about keeping/destroying the base, that would be meta gaming .

[Randy1012]

Turkeysock wrote...

To get her Domination skill.

That's just a metagaming reason, though. There is no justifiable in-game reason for Shepard to choose a wildcard like Morinth over Samara.

[Wild Still]

To max out your renegade.

[NICKjnp]

so you can die by snoo snoo after the suicide mission.

[thegoldfinch]

The only way I can see her being logically recruited from a roleplaying standpoint is if you have a Darth Shepard who becomes irrevocably enraptured by Morinth. She does have that creepy power to seduce people, after all.

If not, he could just do it because he's a total dickweed. *shrug*

Modifié par pixieface, 06 mars 2010 - 05:29 .

[Tinnic]

Well from what I understand you can pursue a romance with Morinth but die, with the game ending, if you try to "do it" with her. Role-play wise, if you think she is being unfairly prosecuted for just being who she is, then you should pick her. Just remember that by sparing her and letting her live, you are letting live a monster who will continue to hunt, seducing and killing innocents for hundreds of years to come. From what I understand Morinth is just 440 years old. Very young for an Asari. So the body count will rise if she lives.

[Suron]

Randy1083 wrote...

Turkeysock wrote...

To get her Domination skill.

That's just a metagaming reason, though. There is no justifiable in-game reason for Shepard to choose a wildcard like Morinth over Samara.

sure there is...Samara tells you that Morinth is VERY powerful and only get's more powerful with each person she kills...

when the fight starts you can see that Morinth..being much younger then Samara (of course since it's her mother) is at LEAST just as powerful as Samara...

plus theres the whole "if you make me do anything bad I may have to kill you after I help you" she says.

there's plenty of reason to do it...if yer a renegade.

[Jalem001]

So no -good- reason unless you're as evil as Shepard can possibly be.



Thanks.

[enormousmoonboots]

Save game in apartment

Recruit Morinth

Get Dominate

Reload

???

Profit

Gonna be doing this on my latest game, along with a few 'go here, press button' side missions to see her dialog. After three playthroughs, my curiosity is finally starting to outweigh my disdain for Morinth.



RP-wise? Complete psycho Shep, or ruthless Shep dealing with the loose end of making an enemy of a justicar. Or you could play it as she managed to mind-control Shep after all.

[Jalem001]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Save game in apartment
Recruit Morinth
Get Dominate
Reload
???
Profit
Gonna be doing this on my latest game, along with a few 'go here, press button' side missions to see her dialog. After three playthroughs, my curiosity is finally starting to outweigh my disdain for Morinth.

RP-wise? Complete psycho Shep, or ruthless Shep dealing with the loose end of making an enemy of a justicar. Or you could play it as she managed to mind-control Shep after all.

Brilliant.  I'll probably do that just to get dominate.  Kinda feel like I'm missing out not having it.

The mind control aspect is interesting.  I can play it off like that, not sure if Iwill though.  Maybe I'll just make a 6th character and play him completely bat**** insane.

[Zack56]

That pretty much sums it up but yeah... I made a save right before the fight and when I picked Morinth I got the domination skill. After that, I went back to my save before the fight and killed Morinth instead so I could keep Samara.

[mcsupersport]

Why the heck would any non insane Shepard recruit Morinth??



Samara might try to hunt me down after the mission??!!?? Morinth states she wants to "mate" with you, and tries to mind control you into it....ala her mating kills you, so she is actively NOW trying to kill you.



Samara is "ultra" paragon??!!?? Actually she is more mixed, to Renegade, in she will not harm innocents if she has another way, but she kills everyone she considers "bad" without questions or mercy. She follows a code that is black and white only, no greys, and is absolutely ruthless in it's execution.



You think she is being treated badly/unfairly??!!?? Well she did kill the young artist, she uses drugs to feel "better", tries to "mate" with you, and control you mind. She is bat-Sh!t crazy, in the most diabolical way, and you see evidence everywhere of this.



Why would you give up a known loyal and effective member, for the possibility of a stronger Biotic crew member, when you consider she will probably get stronger in another 100-200 years, not right now when you need her. Samara is also a known quality, whereas Mornith is unknown and psychotic.

[Gavinthelocust]

For ****s and giggles

[GenericPlayer2]

I've kept Samara in my renegade playthroughs because Morinth is just too much of a wildcard for me to be comfortable with. And I still didn't have a problem with some of the more difficult persuades like "I am a Spectre" or "crush you beneath my heel" speeches.

[Mnemnosyne]

Sadly, no. While I have commented in the past that Morinth could have been a wonderfully interesting character, the way they wrote her as a ham-fisted caricature makes it impossible for me to justify siding with Morinth unless you're simply playing Shepard as insane or psychopathic. Morinth comes with no guarantees and no reliability. Samara, even if you suspect she will try to kill you once her service to you is ended, is a known quantity.



Morinth could have come across as a sympathetic character, forced by unfair circumstances into fleeing, since her other choices are imprisonment or death, while trying to be the best person she could be, avoiding the fatal sex as much as she could, or perhaps managing her impulses by specifically targeting "evil" individuals. Instead we see her specifically targeting an innocent young girl in Omega, a place absolutely full of criminals and despicable individuals. She would have made a compelling and interesting character if she had been painted as anything other than 'complete monster'. She could even have made a very interesting romance interest, focusing on a purely emotional relationship that both parties know can never involve sex, since it would be fatal to Shepard.



As it is, I feel she's a lost opportunity at best, and a complete waste of resources at worst.

[GenericPlayer2]

Very well said Koyasha - a 'Dexter' type of serial killer would have made the story and the decision so much more interesting!



Its pretty lame too that they tie the Samara/Morinth decision to the Paragon/Renegade point system. I hate getting slammed with those 30 paragon points for picking Samara.

[Jalem001]

Koyasha summed it up pretty well, and I think just about everyone here would agree.



It would of been nice if we had seen some remorse, like a glimpse past the monster. A scene of her breaking down, telling you that she didn't want to hurt Nef but couldn't help herself. Or finding out that she's been trying to find a cure all these years. Hell she could be lying, it would still work since she's a really deceitful character.



Anything other the bland, one dimensional character they gave us.

[kelmar6821]

she's a space vampire and vampires are cool...