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[GodWood]

If you're renegade Samara plans to kill you after the suicide mission.

[Internet Kraken]

GodWood wrote...

If you're renegade Samara plans to kill you after the suicide mission.

For what exactly though? Of the top of my head, renegade Shepard can't actually do many things that would justify Samara killing you according to her code. And even if she does try to kill you, so what? It's not like she is a major threat to Shepard. I never saw this as a good reason to drag along Morinth.

[Strange Aeons]

Maybe if you're as much of a complete, soulless monster as she is. Otherwise, no.



What she did to Nef pushed her so over the moral event horizon that I would have killed her personally if Samara had hesitated for a second.

[Randy1012]

Koyasha wrote...

Sadly, no. While I have commented in the past that Morinth could have been a wonderfully interesting character, the way they wrote her as a ham-fisted caricature makes it impossible for me to justify siding with Morinth unless you're simply playing Shepard as insane or psychopathic. Morinth comes with no guarantees and no reliability. Samara, even if you suspect she will try to kill you once her service to you is ended, is a known quantity.

Morinth could have come across as a sympathetic character, forced by unfair circumstances into fleeing, since her other choices are imprisonment or death, while trying to be the best person she could be, avoiding the fatal sex as much as she could, or perhaps managing her impulses by specifically targeting "evil" individuals. Instead we see her specifically targeting an innocent young girl in Omega, a place absolutely full of criminals and despicable individuals. She would have made a compelling and interesting character if she had been painted as anything other than 'complete monster'. She could even have made a very interesting romance interest, focusing on a purely emotional relationship that both parties know can never involve sex, since it would be fatal to Shepard.

As it is, I feel she's a lost opportunity at best, and a complete waste of resources at worst.

Excellent point, and I completely agree. Frankly I'm surprised the writers didn't go this route with Morinth from the very beginning, rather than making her such an obvious and one-dimensional murderer. I think I actually would have preferred this version of Morinth and not have had Samara at all (though I did like Samara, I wouldn't miss her if she were gone, either).

[Jalem001]

Excellent point, and I completely agree. Frankly I'm surprised the writers didn't go this route with Morinth from the very beginning, rather than making her such an obvious and one-dimensional murderer. I think I actually would have preferred this version of Morinth and not have had Samara at all (though I did like Samara, I wouldn't miss her if she were gone, either).

I like Samara, she's very easy to like, but she would of been a better character if she weren't quite so friendly. A bit more detached, and cold.

[Collider]

She needs a less revealing outfit. Just would have fit her character better. She's a justicar who prefers not to be in relationships, there's no use to advertise.

[Multifarious Algorithm]

Collider wrote...

She needs a less revealing outfit. Just would have fit her character better. She's a justicar who prefers not to be in relationships, there's no use to advertise.

The outfit she had, zipped up, would've done nicely. There's also some excellent ones in the art book - it's a bit of mystery why they didn't go with any of those.

[mcsupersport]

GodWood wrote...

If you're renegade Samara plans to kill you after the suicide mission.

Morinth tries to kill you in game, and would kill you in a heartbeat given the chance.  So you have one who might try to kill you, and one that is.......which do you want on your team??
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Morinth will also "mate" with you at the end of the game, so have fun...........:innocent:.

[Randy1012]

Shandepared wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Because if you're playing a Renegade then the odds of Samara trying to kill you at the end of your mission are pretty high.

I've tried using that justiification too, but I can't think of anything thats so awful thats its worth her hunting him down.  I could be wrong here, but I don't think Shepard kills anyone who is innocent.  And keeping the base isn't evil.  Perhapss he might hunt him down if Cerberus ends up using the base for horrible things (Probably inevitable).  Course he's not thinking about keeping/destroying the base, that would be meta gaming .

Well, my Shepard went the Renegade route on Zaeed's mission... so. Yeah. If Samara finds out about that she'll probably be unhappy.

Good thing squadmates never ever converse with one another, or you'd be screwed.

[The Angry One]

Hm.. as a renegade, the choice is serial killer who wants to kill me vs. serial killer who wants to kill me with freaky head sex.



Why can't things be simple?

[Jalem001]

Shandepared wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Because if you're playing a Renegade then the odds of Samara trying to kill you at the end of your mission are pretty high.

I've tried using that justiification too, but I can't think of anything thats so awful thats its worth her hunting him down.  I could be wrong here, but I don't think Shepard kills anyone who is innocent.  And keeping the base isn't evil.  Perhapss he might hunt him down if Cerberus ends up using the base for horrible things (Probably inevitable).  Course he's not thinking about keeping/destroying the base, that would be meta gaming .

Well, my Shepard went the Renegade route on Zaeed's mission... so. Yeah. If Samara finds out about that she'll probably be unhappy.

I'm not clear on the code, but wouldn't Samara do the same?  If her objective is A and B stands in the way of A, she either finds away around B or goes through it. 

But she may or may not be obligated to help people, although in that case I would lay money she would of left the civies to roast.  The idea that you're killing someone far more dangerous, and its far more important.

Modifié par Jalem001, 06 mars 2010 - 08:24 .

[getterg]

So she can mind-control you into death by snoo snoo after the mission

[The Angry One]

getterg wrote...

So she can mind-control you into death by snoo snoo after the mission

Well no she can't unless you choose to.
And if you choose to make it with the death succubus you deserve to die.

[enormousmoonboots]

Jalem001 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Jalem001 wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Because if you're playing a Renegade then the odds of Samara trying to kill you at the end of your mission are pretty high.

I've tried using that justiification too, but I can't think of anything thats so awful thats its worth her hunting him down.  I could be wrong here, but I don't think Shepard kills anyone who is innocent.  And keeping the base isn't evil.  Perhapss he might hunt him down if Cerberus ends up using the base for horrible things (Probably inevitable).  Course he's not thinking about keeping/destroying the base, that would be meta gaming .

Well, my Shepard went the Renegade route on Zaeed's mission... so. Yeah. If Samara finds out about that she'll probably be unhappy.

I'm not clear on the code, but wouldn't Samara do the same?  If her objective is A and B stands in the way of A, she either finds away around B or goes through it. 

But she may or may not be obligated to help people, although in that case I would lay money she would of left the civies to roast.  The idea that you're killing someone far more dangerous, and its far more important.

No, if you talk to her enough to find out about Nihlus that exact scenario plays out, and she saves the innocents. Samara is a space paladin who works on detect evil; she doesn't care what you've done to earn a Renegade bar that big, just that you have one. And she will kill you for it.

[The Angry One]

Wait you can take her with you on that mission can't you?

Does she have any reaction?

[Homey C-Dawg]

Domination has become one of my favorite powers.

She's worth it.

[cralexns]

kelmar6821 wrote...

she's a space vampire and vampires are cool...

Isn't she more like a space.. succubus?

[Azint]

She's kind of a ****, if you're into that sort of thing.



Also Dominate is nifty.

[Silent Perforator]

Well...



The way I see it why wouldn't I recruit Morinth after recruiting Jack who also killed a ton of people yet Cerberus - apparently - had no problem recommending her.

[Zemore]

kelmar6821 wrote...

she's a space vampire and vampires are cool...

Technically when she uses her Biotics shes a sparkly space vampire and that makes her need to be Killed with fire and lots of it MORDIN GET HER!!

[Terraneaux]

They're both serial killers. Samara just thinks she has a justification, and also threatens your character explicitly. The choice is fuzzier than you might think.