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[DarthCaine]

YES PLEASE

I want at the ending of ME3 after they defeat the reapers to have to choice to commit suicide (Snake FTW)

[Rix Raw]

Totally, flashbacks in slow motion in a film noir environment and if you'd die in those dreams you'd die in real life! That would be so awesome!



You should also be able to get STDs from sleeping with aliens and then you'd have this cool little sidescroller sequence where you'd have to jump on angry looking viruses and collect coins.



Keep the great ideas coming, people!

[yummysoap]

It's a "good" idea but playable flashbacks and twisted dreams were never a part of the Mass Effect franchise. Too fantastical, and it doesn't help the storyline in any profound way. Bioware aren't just going to throw it in because it'll make an "oh wow lol ptsd" moment.

[Costin_Razvan]

Truth be told Shepard has been through situations since he was a child that would break most people. He either was born on Earth, losing his parents at a very young age he still survived, joining gangs and eventually joining the alliance, or he was from a military family, so his whole he had been training, or lastly he lost his parents and everyone he knew and cared about in a batarian attack.



Then there is his service record. Why would his experience in the Blitz give PTSD? He did his job, saved a colony and became a goddamn hero, not the most traumatizing experience. If he is ruthless then he doesn't care for the lives he lost at Torfan, as his only goal is to get the job done.



As for Akuze. Losing your entire unit would scar most common soldiers, but Shepard is no common soldier, regardless of his background, and he did not survive by laying on the ground and crying, he survived by being a determined bastard and better then everyone in that whole unit. If one wants an analogy, take a look at Ashley. She lost her entire unit on Eden Prime AND had to fight Husks which once had been members of her unit, and yet she comes out alright.

[Grizzly46]

I'd say that no matter what background Shepard has or what choices he has to make, it is a safe bet to say he might suffer from nightmares - but we never see him sleep, so we can't say for certain. He might be able to tell right from wrong, but that doesn't matter - what matter is how he deals with his past. I'd lite to think that if an otherwise paragon Shepard suddenly turns violent for one reason or another (like the player getting bored being mr Nice Guy) it is because the PTSD stirs something in Shepard.

[LoweGear]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Then there is his service record. Why would his experience in the Blitz give PTSD? He did his job, saved a colony and became a goddamn hero, not the most traumatizing experience.

Tell that to the war veterans who get Medals for their deeds, and yet still end up traumatized. Being a hero does not negate post-traumatic stress syndrome, because PTSD is caused by the horror of being in a desperate life-or-death experience, something which is entirely separate from the percieved result. 

On the subject though... I'm not sure if Shepard will go through severe PTSD. One of the things that makes Shepard as legendary as he/she is the extreme mental fortitude to survive and accept the most stressful situations that would've broken any other person: it's this mental strength that allows Shepard to be a recipient of the Prothean Beacon in the first place afterall (As Liara points out, any other man would've had their minds torn apart). 

[Sable Rhapsody]

LoweGear wrote...
On the subject though... I'm not sure if Shepard will go through severe PTSD. One of the things that makes Shepard as legendary as he/she is the extreme mental fortitude to survive and accept the most stressful situations that would've broken any other person: it's this mental strength that allows Shepard to be a recipient of the Prothean Beacon in the first place afterall (As Liara points out, any other man would've had their minds torn apart). 

THIS.  There are a couple of traits established for Shepard in-game regardless of how you RP Shepard.  Shepard is the first human Spectre, an N7 Alliance Marine, one BAMF, and possesses incredible strength of spirit and will.  Frankly, even if you play the "least" traumatic Space/War Hero/Paragon Shepard, he/she still goes through a lot of crap that would break anyone else.  To say nothing of the angst-ridden Colonist/Sole Survivor Shepards.

The OP does touch on a peeve of mine in RPGs, though.  No, I do not want to whine about my problems.  There's enough of that IRL.  But I would like to touch on Shepard's mental state and feelings, as well as those of the companions.  There's a little bit of this in one of Jacob's dialogue trees if romanced, where he asks for your feelings on everything that's happened--I don't even like Jacob, but I love that dialog because it gave us a chance to build on Shepard's experience as part of the roleplaying experience.  

There's a subtle difference between intruiging and obnoxious when it comes to dealing with character flaws and development, for PCs and NPCs alike.  Listening to an NPC angst and whine is not my idea of fun (looking at you, JRPGs ) and it's very easy to slip into that.  I'd rather not have it at all than have it implemented poorly.  But just the chance to talk about Shepard once in a while rather than having him/her stoically suck it up while dealing with everyone aboard the SSV Family Issues would be nice 

[Tleining]

imo Shepard suffered from PTSD in the past, depending on your ServiceRecord, after Eden Prime Ashley asks Shepard how to deal with loosing so many people. The Answer (at least the paragon one) made me think that Shepard had to struggle for a while to continue being a Soldier, plus when you talk to Toombs, one of the dialogue choices says something like "the nightmares will never stop".

I wouldn't want to see those dreams though, wouldn't really fit with the game.

[Habelo]

Lol psychological problems are for ******. We men either shrug it off or embrace it if it is good.

[yummysoap]

Habelo wrote...

Lol psychological problems are for ******. We men either shrug it off or embrace it if it is good.

You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Why don't you go and get your legs blown off in war for real before you decide what a "real man" is, you top talking moron. Let's put you in a war scenario and see how long you last without shitting your pants.

I'm not for this idea, but posts like yours give me the shits. Go practice your "real man over the internet" routine somewhere else.

[HighlighterFTW]

Something to clear up about PTSD.

You don't HAVE to get it. Just because you go through some massively traumatizing experience that ends up with your entire unit butchered in front of you does NOT mean you WILL get PTSD. You have a high chance to develop it, sure, but it's no means guaranteed.

Developing PTSD severely depends on one's emotional stability, social support, and outlook on life. It also depends on any physical injuries incurred, such as TBI. (There's a pretty strong connection between TBI and depression, and moderate TBI)

If you consider a character like Shepard, and assume he is the best of the best, the most elite of all human soldiers, then there is a chance that he might not be affected by PTSD. In addition, if you view him as a Renegade, in which his actions are always justified by the results and he is fine with this, it becomes even more less likely that he will develop PTSD. Psychopaths do not tend to worry about such things.

A Paragon Shepard may very well likely develop some type of stress disorder because Paragons are seen as more emphatic with others. However, if you take it to the extreme, in which the Paragon Shepard is completely satisfied with his life and his actions, then he may or may not come down with any sort of trauma.

However, I do agree with other sentiments in this thread, in that the mental capacities of the protagonist should be explored. Shepard is, after all, human, and he has weaknesses of his own. It is likely that he'd suffer some regret over his actions; Virmire comes to mind.

Modifié par HighlighterFTW, 06 mars 2010 - 03:39 .

[CaptainZaysh]

Bob5312 wrote...
At present, the military has a suicide rate and a rate of clinical depression that are double the national average.

Which military?  Google tells me the US military suicide rate is 0.0202%, which is not double the civilian rate of 0.0195%.

[rabbitchannel]

I like the first 2 paragraphs but not the others. It's gonna be something like the Spirit Meter in Motb. It's part of the plot/character and that's fine and interesting, but letting it affect your gameplay experience will become hampering and irritating, like a weight on your shoulders.

[Bob5312]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Bob5312 wrote...
At present, the military has a suicide rate and a rate of clinical depression that are double the national average.

Which military?  Google tells me the US military suicide rate is 0.0202%, which is not double the civilian rate of 0.0195%.

I was actually referring to the Canadian military, but it's not too far off for the American military either.  The figure of 0.0195% for civilians is for the 'males aged 18 to 24' demographic; the overall suicide rate in the United States was about 0.011%.  Bear in mind that soldiers are screened for mental health issues prior to enlistment and receive regular screening while serving and have access to far better care and treatment than civilians.

yummysoap wrote...

It's a "good" idea but playable flashbacks and twisted dreams were never a part of the Mass Effect franchise. Too fantastical, and it doesn't help the storyline in any profound way. Bioware aren't just going to throw it in because it'll make an "oh wow lol ptsd" moment.

Fair enough, it was a suggestion for delving into Shepard's character but it's certainly not the only way to do this.  While it doesn't really fit what BioWare has done with ME so far, I think it would be an interesting way to expand the gameplay and story in future.  This is only my personal opinion.

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
The OP does touch on a peeve of mine in RPGs, though.  No, I do not want to whine about my problems.  There's enough of that IRL.  But I would like to touch on Shepard's mental state and feelings, as well as those of the companions.  There's a little bit of this in one of Jacob's dialogue trees if romanced, where he asks for your feelings on everything that's happened--I don't even like Jacob, but I love that dialog because it gave us a chance to build on Shepard's experience as part of the roleplaying experience.  

This is basically what I was going for.  I felt that with all of the loyalty missions revealing the crewmembers feelings, pasts, and personalities, Shepard was left surprisingly uncharacterized.  It felt odd that by the end of the game the player character was the one character I felt I knew the least about.  Contrast this with ME1, in which depending on the background you choose Shepard gets a different sidequest (running into a former fellow gang member, an escaped slave, a traumatized veteran, etc) that reveals more about Shepard's past and his/her feelings about it.

A number of people have suggested that Shepard should somehow be immune to PTSD because he has either already survived so much trauma that nothing else can phase him, or he's too tough to succumb to such a weakness (first human Spectre, survived the beacon, etc.)  This isn't how PTSD works.  There is no way of knowing what will cause it, and everyone reacts differently to different stressors.  Ten people may go through the same experience and only one may get PTSD from it; this doesn't make that one person weaker than the others, it just means that the particular combination of stressors set off a reaction in them that lasts beyond the events themselves.  Shepard is a person, he can be affected like everyone else by horror and pain.

Modifié par Bob5312, 06 mars 2010 - 10:35 .

[Si-Shen]

I honestly don't think the way they have developed Shepard would make anything related to PTSD even possible, on top of that, I have seen similar things in other games and they really do fail. Id rather them NOT take him/her this route, as I would seriously start to loose interst in the game.

[Schneidend]

A person is not guaranteed to experience PTSD by doing "stressful" things. Shepard is one of those lucky people that functions in this manner.

[Bob5312]

Schneidend wrote...

A person is not guaranteed to experience PTSD by doing "stressful" things. Shepard is one of those lucky people that functions in this manner.

Again, nobody is guaranteed to suffer from PTSD after traumatic events, but anyone can.  It's not a sign of weakness.

[Atmosfear3]

Shepard and PTSD? Please, he already died once and he still defeated the collectors. I think its safe to say he has a steel constitution.

[RighteousRage]

To someone like Shepard, these sorts of things probably don't even matter anymore. Let's break it down:



Earthborn - parents dead, probably exploited as a homeless kid

Colonist - parents killed before his eyes, friends kidnapped and tortured

Spacer - parents not present, father possibly dead, few childhood friends (?)



War hero - killed hundreds of humans and batarians all at once

Sole survivor - saw unit be violently killed, proceeded through a harrowing life or death situation

Ruthless - gets unit killed, kills even more batarians



Mass Effect 1 - at least one canonical head injury from an explosion, which are known to damage mental capabilities in soldiers in real life from the percussive force, kills many more people, has a friend die, has memories of a dying species implanted into his brain, gets in countless situations in which he should have died



Mass Effect 2 - dies, comes back, kills even more people, gets in more situations where he should have died



Whatever Shepard was like when he was human was left behind long ago; the reason the Illusive Man resurrected him is because he is the only person with the combined skills and mindset to survive these situations. Also combat situations are probably a lot less traumatic when 1. you know you're basically invincible and 2. they're against enemies that are definitely evil

[Nostradamoose]

On my Second main shepard that used to be a paragon, I made him having post resurection stress disorder. Now he kills everything he can

[RighteousRage]

Taranatar9 wrote...

Probably no PTSD, but I wouldn't mind playing a flashback of Akuze/Elysium/Torfan.

That's just about the best idea I've ever heard

First we just have to get Shepard to actually talk about his/her past, haha

[newcomplex]

Nightmares?



lol Dragon Age.

[Lopake]

I think its a silly idea

[Yorick of the Damned]

Shepard has already said "No one breaks me" several times when characters ask him why he hasn't been changed due to his actions. Indicating his willpower is extremely strong and molded.

[Habelo]

yummysoap wrote...

Habelo wrote...

Lol psychological problems are for ******. We men either shrug it off or embrace it if it is good.

You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Why don't you go and get your legs blown off in war for real before you decide what a "real man" is, you top talking moron. Let's put you in a war scenario and see how long you last without shitting your pants.

I'm not for this idea, but posts like yours give me the shits. Go practice your "real man over the internet" routine somewhere else.

awwhhh you got mad? 

Look just cause i aint a **** living in this **** world where you should feel sorry for everyone doesnt mean that there are no real men who can handle things by not fooling himself with hipocracy and then starts to cry when he sees the world for what it is- thats what it is all about today. ****** like yourself thinking that you fight for whats right and when you are actually out there you go figure that something is wrong and *that* is the thing messing with your mind.

As for loosing your legs and surviving- that is physsical, not psychological. If your body dies and you dont then ofcourse you do not live like you used too.