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[Grizzly46]

One thing I really liked with Mass Effect were all those moral dilemmas you had to face, and especially the krogan genophage - developed during the rebellions, reinforced later by the mastermind Mordin Solus. I can't help being split by this: yes, the krogan were heroes during the rachni war but became villains during the rebellions; yes, they threatened to destroy the galaxy with their numbers alone, and yes, the genophage was probably a good call... And yet, I can't condone it. What are your thoughts about it? Other solutions to the krogan problem?

I would have preferred to isolate the krogans on their homeworld. They are definately not technologically advanced enough to re-invent spaceflight anytime soon, and they will most likely destroy themsleves a couple of more times before they even found their way to their own moon...

[Landline]

I couldn't say it better then Mordin, there was no other solution to the krogan problem other then outright genocide.



Simply isolating them on their own world would simply not be possible, there are to many of them spread out to far in space.

[T1l]

Ethically ambiguous. Depends on perspective. Needed, perhaps, but cultural and social damage to the Krogan incalculable. Unfortunate.

[Collider]

I think it was justified. The Krogans were expanding rapidly and conquering innocent colonies and worlds.

Also, related poll
social.bioware.com/892908/polls/2677/

[CarpeOmnios]

This is an ethical grey area. I spose it's more of a case of either the krogan or the galaxy. The 'greater good' as it were.

[ConnorElzaim]

I'm inclined to agree with the feeling that it only occured because it was completely necessary. Talking with Mordin one finds out that not only 'could' they have simply wiped them out, but that his people did lots and lots of simulations. Take into consideration his people are known to take forever and a half in terms to their own life span to plan an attack and when they finally do, you can be sure that you are screwed.

In that vein of thought, atleast for me. I come to the conclusion that the Genophage was a hard but probably best possible decision.

[Darth_Trethon]

1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000% right.



The rachni too. Hopefully we can just toss the Krogan at the reapers first...not because they might actually do some damage as I'm sure they won't, not without being handed technology and we'd have to be stupid to do that, but to have them all die off completely and have one less problem to worry about.

[VasQuipQuip]

They'd kill every one if it wasn't for the genophange. I like the Krogan but they need a leash.

[luk3us]

They should have just slaughtered them all when they had the chance, that would have been merciful and at least they would have died with some manner of honour left.



Now they are just wasting away.

[Rodriguer2000]

the genophage was the right call

[GodWood]

It was necessary, it keeps them from going extinct and keeps them from wiping out the galaxy.

[Rodriguer2000]

GodWood wrote...

It was necessary, it keeps them from going extinct and keeps them from wiping out the galaxy.

how does it keep them from going extinct? just wondering

[Costin_Razvan]

You don't get to justify sterilizing an entire race. That kind of **** makes what Stalin and Hittler did seem like a stroll through the park.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 06 mars 2010 - 11:07 .

[Rodriguer2000]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

You don't get to justify sterilizing an entire race. That kind of **** makes what Stalin and Hittler did seem like a stroll through the park.

relax its a game

[Akka le Vil]

I like the genophage's story in the game.

A TRUE grey area. Usually, "grey area" are just two dumb choices when a third is clearly and easily better.



But here... Krogan have the INNATE ability to outbreed anything and anyone, and the INNATE agressivity that make them very dangerous if they are not kept in check.



At the same time, they are thinking being with enough "outliers" (like would say Mordin), and aren't simply mindless beast.



So the choice is really between keeping them in check through force, or taking the huge risk of letting the galaxy be ravaged by war once again.



In the end, the genophage feels like a hard but necessary compromise between the safety of others and their right to live.

[Milician]

Right at the time, wrong when prolonged.

[Grizzly46]

I'm as I said, very unsure about this being the right choice. If I get the gist of the krogan evolution right, it would be something like this:



The krogan are warriors first and foremost - formidable in battel but very little else. But everytime the species go to war, it will suffer losses, no matter how good they are, therefore, they have [as it is, had] a great reproduction rate in order to replace the losses.



Left to their own devices, the krogan will happily go to war with each other, bashing each other over the head, leaving very little room for development that could threaten the galaxy. Therefore, an undisturbed krogan world will literally be a storm in a glass of water. But, give krogan spaceflight and they will indeed become a threat to the galaxy. However, since it is mainly the krogan men who do fight, an isolation of the krogan homeworld will eventually lead to that the outern world krogan sooner or later die out, leaving the rest on their homeworld. I'd say this would have been a better and more humane solution to the krogan problem.



And I happen to agree with Costin_Razvan - sterilizing an entire species do smell of fascism. But it is a very, very difficult topic to deal with.

[DarthCaine]

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[Weiser_Cain]

Instead of altering the Krogan they should have altered themselves into something that could stand up to the Krogan. The Salarians wouldn't even need to perfectly match the toughness of the Krogan, trading that instead for speed and intelligence. Add to that a better armor with built in VI and they could have driven the Krogan back and ended up in a stronger position for not taking the easy way out.

[EmmaBeeba]

I think the genophage was necessary. Without it the Krogan would have been a serious danger to galaxy and themselves. Ideally, they should never have been bought into the whole mess in the first place... Mordin equates it to giving nuclear weapons to cave men (not exact quote - but something similar). The Krogan simply weren't culturally developed enough to be thrust into the galactic community.



I'm not sure why the Salarians could not have developed it as some sort of genetic birth control that prevents implantation, rather than causing still birth, as it seems to quite a lot.

[Soruyao]

My shepard couldn't bring herself to take a stand one way or another. She realized that the responsibility was on mordin to make the right choice, and she respected him for being strong enough to try and make the best of a really rough gray area.

[The Capital Gaultier]

Completely wrong decision. The genophage keeps the Krogan down without forcing them to adapt. It needs to be rethought entirely.

[addiction21]

It was wrong. All that needed to be done was to teach them how to make waffles. No one is angry when you have a tummy (or two I dunno just seems like they would have an extra stomach) full of waffles. They also be very thankfull.