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[dan107]

How can there even be an argument about what to do with an aggressive, war-like species whose expansion is threatening your very survival? The genophage was remarkably humane. The two other alternatives would be either wipe them out outright, or to wait for them to wipe YOU out.

[Schneidend]

No Genophage: Either the krogan win, and everybody else is either dead or speaking krogan, or the krogan lose, and their entire species is wiped out by some means or contained on Tuchanka forever.



Genophage: The krogan survive, the galaxy as it is currently known survives. Everybody wins.

[Guanxii]

 All peoples united under a legal charter be it human, geth or citadel council are granted certain inalienable rights in order to pursue their own self-determination or self-governance as 'freemen' as described in the Magna Carta here back on Earth - the very basis of any and all constitutional law.

When a rogue party or state jeopardises the rights of all others to self-determine their own lives they henceforth forfeit their own to a higher judicial authority. The Salarians under their jurisdiction on the citadel-council on behalf of the entire galaxy in light of scientific inquiry came to the conclusion that only within the pre-industrial range would the Krogan population not pose a serious threat to mainstream society. 

Therefore until the Krogan have proven that they can self-determine their own destiny without endangering the lives and liberties of all in the galaxy then the genophage is morally justified in preventive-self-defence (read not pre-emptive) in international relations theory.

You have to remember that Krogan fertile females despite the genophage are still attempting to raise armies in the first place…nothing has changed…they continue to refuse to evolve as a species and a society beyond their basic tribal instincts and their downfall is their own undoing… it's only logical that a more technologically-advanced endangered species' would fight back.

The Salarians were merciful enough to give the Krogan another chance…by bringing their birthrates per capita down into a perfectly normal range for any other species in the galaxy. It only speaks to their failing as a species that they can't be trusted to breed sustainably and function as a society - if they could the genophage would be irrelevant.

Modifié par Guanxii, 08 mars 2010 - 10:41 .

[Lucasian]

The genophage is wrong in every manner, but it's necessary. Pragmatism at its finest.

[Serpenttt92]

Doesn't matter...

[Masticetobbacco]

the genophage was completely justified



keep the krogan population stable, but not wipe them out for when we need them again as shock troops against a galactic threat.

[Spartas Husky]

The genophage was not justified, the salarians made a mistake, but there was really no way to turn back, so they gave the krogans another chance to work out their agression.



Whether the krogans are still agressive, or not, the Salarians have full blame in this handsdown.





There is something that bothers me though, does the council after the krogans have any policy on civilization that still dont have space travel??? I mean. What happens if aliens had landed on earth on....1950...we would go mad.



What about that new race? the Raloi?

[Embrosil]

Well this is the biggest dillema in the whole ME universe it seems. After ME1 I would say it was not justified. But after playing ME2 and after Mordin's explanation I have changed my opinion.



The main problem was giving spaceflight and modern weapons to a species living in caves. Not only they were far from being prepared to this, but they even lacked the responsibility (Star Trek's Prime directive book example). So they did not try to reduce their birthrate and when they went out of living space, they just took it violently.



And as I understand it from Mordin's explanation, the genophage just corrects the fertility rate from its high levels to a more normal ones. Krogans are not dying because of the genophage, they are dying from killing each other.



So yes, the Salarians are to blame in the first place, but by genophage they tried to save what was left to save.

[Spartas Husky]

Embrosil wrote...



And as I understand it from Mordin's explanation, the genophage just corrects the fertility rate from its high levels to a more normal ones. Krogans are not dying because of the genophage, they are dying from killing each other.

So yes, the Salarians are to blame in the first place, but by genophage they tried to save what was left to save.

 Now that comes into question, I been trying to search but , that is where we do not know.

Why does every korgran, wrex including, says children die in Still Birth....that is not a nice sight.

I mean IF the genophage DID NOT alot for a female to be pregnant, well, I mean let it go full force, but if is killing babies before being born, then I am ready to tear salarin from fins to toes...although those fins look like tails on their heads so duno.

Still point is, I d not know how it 'affects' fertility. Yes krogans are killing one another. But what about the babies dying before being born? that is a bit distressing.

[We Are Harbinger]

wrong thing, right reason

[Spartas Husky]

We Are Harbinger wrote...

wrong thing, right reason

And to that wise answer, another wise answer from a wise man in call of duty  modern warfare 1.

"Aint it a Bi(&^%$*&$":bandit:

[We Are Harbinger]

Spartas Husky wrote...
Aint it a Bi(&^%$*&$":bandit:

sure is <3:wizard:

[swk3000]

In ME1, we were only given basic information. The inclusion of Mordin in this game was a stroke of genius, as it expanded what we knew about the Genophage.



After playing ME1, I was against it. As far as I was concerned, it was wrong, and nothing anyone could say would have convinced me otherwise. Then, I met Mordin. At first, I was still against it, but as I started thinking about it, I realized that he was right. The Genophage wasn't pretty, but it was the only viable option. The Krogan were too aggressive and too resilient, and the Salarians made a mistake by bringing them into the Galactic community so early. I don't like how it was done (the speaker for Clan Weyrloc paints an especially grim picture), but given the options, I'm forced to admit that the Salarians made the right choice.

[Bigdoser]

So what does the genophage do i though't it causes miscarriage but then a krogan said during Mordin loyalty mission you haven't seen the pile of dead children! i did not like the mental image.

[Maestro975]

Read the novel The Mote in God's Eye for a perfect example of why sometimes, steps like the Genophage do indeed need to be taken.

[piemanz]

I think it was probably the right decision at the time.But theres no harm in working on a cure for when the Krogan get their **** together.

[deleted]

It's useless to debate on whether or not the genophage was justified : it was included in the game just so the word "genophage" could be used in in game conversations over and over again.

[Pacifien]

There's a genophage thread currently ongoing here.