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[Suron]

well it's pretty realistic....as time goes on..assuming we survive as a species eventually there will be no pure cuacasion..pure african americans...pure asian...etc etc.



cross-breeding ftw



besides crossbreeds are hot

[Neria Rose]

Llandaryn wrote...

Zemore wrote...

hmm but arent Green eyes rarer than Blue?

Yes, because not many people have them. Over here, blue eyes are more common than brown (at least amongst the native white-folk) despite the fact that Brown is the dominant phenotype. 'Dominant' doesn't mean that there's more of it. Think of it this way; because blue is recessive, it can 'hide' for generations and manifest itself further down the line. Because brown is dominant, once it's out of a genome, it's out for good, and no blue-eyed person is going to have a brown-eyed kid unless they conceive a child with a brown-eyed parent.

Neria Rose wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...


'Zacly.
Such traits, like blue eyes, are controlled by recessive alleles, so
that two brown-eyed parents with one Brown allele and one blue allele
can produce blue-eyed children, but two blue-eyed parents can never
produce a Brown-eyed child.

Similarly to the Mongols, I've seen a couple of pakistani people with blue eyes, even though most have brown.

That
is, of course, assuming the offspring of the blue-eyed parents does not
have a mutation which would make his/her eyes appear brown. Sorry, I'm
picky about that word 'never'.

The genotypes would still have the blue-blue expression, though.

Genotypes, possibly, yes. Phenotype would still be brown. And by saying 'never', you're saying that never, ever, in the presumably at least thousands of years humans will exist in the future, not one single human with blue-eyed parents will ever have a mutation that will ultimately code for brown eyes.

[Llandaryn]

Neria Rose wrote...

Genotypes, possibly, yes. Phenotype would still be brown. And by saying 'never', you're saying that never, ever, in the presumably at least thousands of years humans will exist in the future, not one single human with blue-eyed parents will ever have a mutation that will ultimately code for brown eyes.

Alright, I retract my statement and change the word "never" to "rarely", and sadly relinquish my pedant crown, held for at least six years, to you.

[Neria Rose]

Llandaryn wrote...

Alright, I retract my statement and change the word "never" to "rarely", and sadly relinquish my pedant crown, held for at least six years, to you.

Not trying to be an ass, as you seem to think. I'm just extraordinarily picky about that word in science *shrugs*.

[Zemore]

Neria Rose wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...

Alright, I retract my statement and change the word "never" to "rarely", and sadly relinquish my pedant crown, held for at least six years, to you.

Not trying to be an ass, as you seem to think. I'm just extraordinarily picky about that word in science *shrugs*.

Pi is preciley 3 !!

[Llandaryn]

Neria Rose wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...

Alright, I retract my statement and change the word "never" to "rarely", and sadly relinquish my pedant crown, held for at least six years, to you.

Not trying to be an ass, as you seem to think. I'm just extraordinarily picky about that word in science *shrugs*.

I said pedant, not ass. I too am a pedant, though I can assure you, not an ass.

[Ecael]

Zemore wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

Not trying to be an ass, as you seem to think. I'm just extraordinarily picky about that word in science *shrugs*.

Pi is preciley 3 !!

This is all Mr. Moreau's fault. What an inanimate object used for proper and effective facilitation of tasks he was.

...

That is a joke.

Modifié par Ecael, 06 mars 2010 - 04:27 .

[NoUserNameHere]

I'm pretty sure that the thing about blondes going extinct has been debunked. Still, it persists in fiction for some odd reason.

[Zulu_DFA]

Zemore wrote...

cuz we aint ****s

lol its censored!! epic

Yeah. Last time a bunch of guys attempted to "preserve blond hair and blue eyes" it didn't end well for them. Even after being all dead they are banned from this site.

[Skilled Seeker]

Why does it matter?

[Neria Rose]

Llandaryn wrote...

I said pedant, not ass. I too am a pedant, though I can assure you, not an ass.

Touché. I like you.

[NICKjnp]

Recesive genes still exist... and always will. You just have to have a pair of the recessive gene in order to make a recessive trait appear. Learn about genetics before you start spouting nonsense.

[Madecologist]

Using simple Mendalian Genetics, recessive genes are next to impossible to weed out. Because a carrier will always have a 0.5 probablitity of passing on the genes to one of their offspring. The same probablity as not passing it on. Which means as long as people have more than one children, the gene will persist. When two carriers meet and mate, then there is a 0.25 probablity they will both pass the genes at the same time and create the phenotype expression of it. Usually their children will be carriers and a small chance they 'get lucky' and do not get it from either parents.

So the rate of phenotypical expression does go down as a population homogenises, but the recessive trait will hard to "weed out." This is even more complicated with blonde hair and blue eyes, since they are not recessive genes a la Mendalian. They are epastatic or co-recessive (with other enzyme codons) and all that stuff.

In the novel they do not say they are gone, just rare. Which follows the mdoel I just listed. The female lead of the first book was actually a natural blonde.

[Forsakerr]

oh oh , i just had a joke that popped in my mind , how do you drown a blonde ? put a mirror at the bottom of a swimming pool , guess there were too much pools with mirrors at some time in ME's past

[Devidose]

Neria Rose wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...

I said pedant, not ass. I too am a pedant, though I can assure you, not an ass.

Touché. I like you.

I loved that entire conversation tbh. Glad to see such healthy debate on such subjects, plus the backup on the topic.

Cheers.

[guise709]

Interesting stuff guys makes sense that there arn't as many blondes in ME then there are black and brown haired people but still it would be better if the codex was more clear on this.

[DuffyMJ]

superimposed wrote...

Actually, it's because both blonde hair and blue eyes are caused by recessive genes, essentially it's what happens when genetics goes wrong. They'll be wiped out because the only way they would survive is inter-breeding.

"Goes wrong"? Mutation is key to species' survivability!

[ObserverStatus]

No blonds TIM really needs to put Cerberus's eugenics program into high gear.

[RighteousRage]

There are like a million people in the ME universe with red hair and blue/green eyes

[Jamin101]

Im surprised by the lack of knowledge on genetics. Did you guys not take bio 20 in high school?

[ObserverStatus]

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Modifié par bobobo878, 06 mars 2010 - 11:50 .

[ObserverStatus]

aw hell whats the deal with the pathing?

[gauntz]

Representation in game is pretty ambigious, what the books tell is not. And in the books, it is stated that the majority of space-faring races, including to an increasing extent humans, are fairly homogenized, meaning that most share similar genetics/are of mixed breed. Oddly enough, despite adhering to this "theory", genetic diversity, which is being lost, is somehow valued in whatever the Reapers do. Hell, it's said to be one of mankind's strengths.



That part of ME lore can almost be considered a plot hole, as per today, nationalism is strong in thousands if not millions of people, and in a reasonably close future where planets can be colonized by hicks without Alliance aid (Horizon), everyone isn't going to join in on some universal human union like the Alliance. I find it pretty hard to imagine most African/Arab countries or China joining in on some joint venture without any say in space for example.



Before anyone presents some black and white view of WWII with the ****s as some original, unique evil and Americans as "the good guys"; there are conservative viewpoints on racial relations with basis in fact. The overwhelming impression I have is that when different culturres hole up together they tend to segregate. Little Italy, Chinatown, Black Neighborhoods. The biggest examples on multicultural cities like Los Angeles seem to be troubled by sick **** happening daily with relation to racial tension. The OP may have been a little clumsy in the title and query, but the discussion is still valid.

[enormousmoonboots]

http://www.snopes.co...ats/blondes.asp



They've done nothing because nothing's going to happen to them. Bottle-blonds are probably just less popular at the time of Mass Effect.