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[Aniki_21]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Aniki_21 wrote...

Calsong wrote...

Your Synthetic Superior wrote...

Calsong wrote...

I'm playing through second time as a female Shepard and find my options for a romance is Thane the lizard man, the armor skinned Garrus, or Jacob the black guy

The Angry One wrote...

Eh, to me all the ME2 LIs are somewhat lacklustre.
Thane is too manufactured, Jacob is... ugh, a black guy..

Fixed.

Very rude of you to change my quote so it looks like I wrote your biggot opinions. I suggest you F**k off. 

Lets be honest folks. If Jacob being black was factor as to why he is clearly the least liked love interest if not the least liked squad member in the game, would anyone actually admit it? Perhaps it may even be a subconcious thing for some people.  Just imagine Jacob as a smooth, handsome white guy with the same killer bod. I honestly thing he'd be a  lot more popular.  He's often compared to Kaiden as being too normal and boring yet Kaiden  still gets far more love than Jacob does.

Those quotes were changed.  If you look at the original quotes, there is no reference to Jacob being black.

I was aware of that.

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Kaiden got far more love because it was the first game. Kaiden was the only male available for Femsheps.

[WilliamShatner]

The Subject Zero romance is frankly disturbing. She is a child in an adult's body and needs serious psychiatric help. I don't even want to go into the implications of what this makes Male Shepard.

[IccaRa]

yoshibb wrote...

My question is, why is so hard to understand that some people may not find a fishman and a talking dinosaur attractive? If we are just basing everything on looks, at least with Tali, you can make up whatever face you want, not to mention the female like form. Liara is practically a blue human. Is it so hard to understand why some people might not find drells and turians attractive? I wasn't really interested in their looks either, but when I went deeper and just looked at their personalities, I still wasn't attracted to them. I mean I really tried, but I just couldn't get into the romances.

Can't you see that there might be some sort of frustration for some people if you aren't really interested in aliens that look like that. You're then just left with Jacob. Just saying.

...And? Nobody is asking you to like aliens. Nobody is demanding or expecting you to like aliens. I couldn't care less if someone doesn't like aliens. I'm sorry if they don't do it for you and the human doesn't do it for you, but what do you want me or anyone else to do about it? You don't have to romance them.

I wasn't happy with the FemShep romances in ME1. I'm not into chicks and, while I like Kaidan as a character, I wasn't that interested in his romance. I pouted about it for a while, but seriously. I just didn't romance them. Simple as that. I can't take it personally because it wasn't meant personally. Better luck next time.

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WilliamShatner wrote...

The Subject Zero romance is frankly disturbing. She is a child in an adult's body and needs serious psychiatric help. I don't even want to go into the implications of what this makes Male Shepard.

A pedofile with a heart of gold.

[yoshibb]

I was attracted and excited about the Jacob romance before he opened his mouth. Kaidan was sensitive and charming, while Jacob was filled with cheap come ons and the relationship felt like a cheap lay. And what is up with the "Mr. Taylor" business? Like I'm romancing my teacher or something.

[DaeJi]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
No less absurd than the examples I gave IMO.

Except that there is a precedent for the inclusion of F/F romances, and a precedent for the inclusion of of romances that fans desire. Not so much for switching a character's skin color.

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

superimposed wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
That's my point.  Objectively, all these romances are the same.  The male options could be the best romances ever written and some (including myself) still aren't going to like them just b/c they're male.  I want to play a romance that reflects who I am (a lesbian) hence I can't get into the straight ones with either a dudeShep or femShep.

Ok, what about everything else.  I may want TIM to be black, or I think that there should be more Asians in the crew.  How about Commander Shep's voice?  I think Mark Meer should sound less masculine.  I want to be able to play a game that reflects who I am.
Where does it end?   

With the absurd.

It's easy to create F/F relationships without destroying the game or resorting to making it nothing but eye candy for fifteen year olds.  

No less absurd than the examples I gave IMO.

More absurd, actually. You're talking about changing pre-existing characters instead of introducing new ones.

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
No less absurd than the examples I gave IMO.

Except that there is a precedent for the inclusion of F/F romances, and a precedent for the inclusion of of romances that fans desire. Not so much for switching a character's skin color.

Is that a rule?  If there is a precedent set then it has to be followed to the end?

You've yet to give a single reason why they shouldn't be included.
Go on, give one.

[DaeJi]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
Is that a rule?  If there is a precedent set then it has to be followed to the end?

BioWare also has a precedent of having words in their games. It's not a rule, and they could make a game with no words what so ever, but it would be noticed by a small number of fans.

Precedents are not the same as rules, but they do paint a picture for how a company designs a game. Straying from such is noticed, whether for good or bad.

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jlb524 wrote...
It's gratuitious in the sense that it just seemed tacked on to Kelly's character to give some cheap f/f kicks.   Kelly didn't have to be bisexual or even interested in Commander Shepard regardless of gender.  She didn't even have to exist in the game period.   She serves no valuable purpose, IMO.

She feeds your fish, which makes her worth her weight in... something. Fish food, I guess.

Can't keep those damn things alive without her...

[Blackveldt]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

superimposed wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
That's my point.  Objectively, all these romances are the same.  The male options could be the best romances ever written and some (including myself) still aren't going to like them just b/c they're male.  I want to play a romance that reflects who I am (a lesbian) hence I can't get into the straight ones with either a dudeShep or femShep.

Ok, what about everything else.  I may want TIM to be black, or I think that there should be more Asians in the crew.  How about Commander Shep's voice?  I think Mark Meer should sound less masculine.  I want to be able to play a game that reflects who I am.
Where does it end?   

With the absurd.

It's easy to create F/F relationships without destroying the game or resorting to making it nothing but eye candy for fifteen year olds.  

No less absurd than the examples I gave IMO.

Which were a bit absurd, really because the parallels you attempted to draw were lacking.  Wanting a character to be a different race is vastly different (and rather inconsequential) in comparison to a very core part of a relationship (gender and sexual preference).  Afterall, you can have a f/f or m/m romance with an African-American, Asian, Caucasian, etc.  You tell me which is more important to you in a relationship:  the gender of the person or the race/voice/etc of said person.  Your analogy is rather ridiculous :/

If every 'straight' relationship in ME2 was transformed into a homosexual one, I believe it would be a hell of a lot more obvious.  Nobody would be complaining that their homosexual romance was not an Asian dude.

[yoshibb]

IccaRa wrote...

yoshibb wrote...

My question is, why is so hard to understand that some people may not find a fishman and a talking dinosaur attractive? If we are just basing everything on looks, at least with Tali, you can make up whatever face you want, not to mention the female like form. Liara is practically a blue human. Is it so hard to understand why some people might not find drells and turians attractive? I wasn't really interested in their looks either, but when I went deeper and just looked at their personalities, I still wasn't attracted to them. I mean I really tried, but I just couldn't get into the romances.

Can't you see that there might be some sort of frustration for some people if you aren't really interested in aliens that look like that. You're then just left with Jacob. Just saying.

...And? Nobody is asking you to like aliens. Nobody is demanding or expecting you to like aliens. I couldn't care less if someone doesn't like aliens. I'm sorry if they don't do it for you and the human doesn't do it for you, but what do you want me or anyone else to do about it? You don't have to romance them.

I wasn't happy with the FemShep romances in ME1. I'm not into chicks and, while I like Kaidan as a character, I wasn't that interested in his romance. I pouted about it for a while, but seriously. I just didn't romance them. Simple as that. I can't take it personally because it wasn't meant personally. Better luck next time.

People complain about the game in hopes that it will change in the next one. Should I just take whatever Bioware gives me for the 60 dollars I spend? People are allowed to complain about what they don't like in the game. They don't expect you to do anything about it, just the people who make the game. Is it a pointless venture? Sometimes, yes, but they are allowed to make their feelings known.

I believe Garrus and Tali's role, the removal of the mako, and the new combat system all had to do with the reaction of the fans of the original game.

And I never said I didn't like aliens. I said I wasn't attracted to the two in the game either by their looks or their personality. Other people are just voicing their opinions of the LI and I just pointed out it might be hard for some people to get past how Garrus and Thane look. I don't understand why it bothers you that people complain about femshep's romance options. 

[jlb524]

Precedents aren't rules but they do set expectations for future games. BW's precedents for including same-sex romances have drawn in gay, lesbian, bisexual fans who now expect a continuation of this inclusion in the ME series. Even straight people who like this kind of stuff and were looking forward to it would be disappointed (this of course includes teh horny 14 yr old straight boys who like lesbians and the sick-perverted straight gals that like m/m content; two groups that people love bringing up).

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

superimposed wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

DaeJi wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
No less absurd than the examples I gave IMO.

Except that there is a precedent for the inclusion of F/F romances, and a precedent for the inclusion of of romances that fans desire. Not so much for switching a character's skin color.

Is that a rule?  If there is a precedent set then it has to be followed to the end?

You've yet to give a single reason why they shouldn't be included.
Go on, give one.

I have already given it in several posts. 

No, you haven't. You haven't given a single reason.
If you have, maybe you'd like to share it with everyone.

[Pannamaslo]

yoshibb wrote...

My question is, why is so hard to understand that some people may not find a fishman and a talking dinosaur attractive? If we are just basing everything on looks, at least with Tali, you can make up whatever face you want, not to mention the female like form. Liara is practically a blue human. Is it so hard to understand why some people might not find drells and turians attractive? I wasn't really interested in their looks either, but when I went deeper and just looked at their personalities, I still wasn't attracted to them. I mean I really tried, but I just couldn't get into the romances.

Can't you see that there might be some sort of frustration for some people if you aren't really interested in aliens that look like that. You're then just left with Jacob. Just saying.

IMO It's not about wether you find them attractive or not. No one says you have to like aliens. But saying that romances for femShep sucked, because you didn't find them appealing is something different. I can aprreaciate Jack romance as well-written and interesting, even though I am straight female with no attraction  to other females whatsoever. But good story is a good story. Hell, I think Turians are fugly, but the personality and whole "forbidden fruit" atmosphere is why I find Garrus romance interesting.

On the other hand I thought that Kaidan's romance was well done and nicely written, but his character was so...ugh just shut up already....that I just felt compulstory need to Virmire him. 

I didn't find ME 1 romances appealing. Did they "suck". No....

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[Llandaryn]

WilliamShatner wrote...

The Subject Zero romance is frankly disturbing. She is a child in an adult's body...

Aren't we all?

I love playing computer games. I love watching cartoons. I love eating Lucky Charms cereals, and I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up.

The world needs more kids in adult bodies because it already has far too many dull people quite content to make war and taxes in it.

[Blackveldt]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Blackveldt wrote...
If every 'straight' relationship in ME2 was transformed into a homosexual one, I believe it would be a hell of a lot more obvious.  Nobody would be complaining that their homosexual romance was not an Asian dude.

You haven't read some of the posts that I have around here.  Everything is complained about.  Perhaps if we had about 10,000 different versions of the game then maybe everyone would be satisfied.

You're right; I haven't.  Why would I?  Lol.

It's funny you mention this, however; I almost added an addendum about the people who are just nitpicky and would complain about said Asian.  But my point was that this particular complaint, imo, is understandable; I am well aware that everyone has something to complain about.  I get tired of it, too.  I just think it would royally suck if the tables were turned.  Empathy is my curse k.

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Blackveldt wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Blackveldt wrote...
If every 'straight' relationship in ME2 was transformed into a homosexual one, I believe it would be a hell of a lot more obvious.  Nobody would be complaining that their homosexual romance was not an Asian dude.

You haven't read some of the posts that I have around here.  Everything is complained about.  Perhaps if we had about 10,000 different versions of the game then maybe everyone would be satisfied.

You're right; I haven't.  Why would I?  Lol.

It's funny you mention this, however; I almost added an addendum about the people who are just nitpicky and would complain about said Asian.  But my point was that this particular complaint, imo, is understandable; I am well aware that everyone has something to complain about.  I get tired of it, too.  I just think it would royally suck if the tables were turned.  Empathy is my curse k.

It's simple deflection. His posts are 'everyone complains, so let's not change anything I have absolutely no interest about'.

[Blackveldt]

superimposed wrote...
It's simple deflection. His posts are 'everyone complains, so let's not change anything I have absolutely no interest about'.

I know, but I'm trying to avoid flaming.