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[Llandaryn]

There's nothing like the smell of napalm in the evening.



Except napalm in the morning.



Looks like the early-thread battle-cries of "it's not fair!" have finally quietened down. Just remember to hold the line; they could return at a moment's notice.

[Blackveldt]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

superimposed wrote...
It's simple deflection. His posts are 'everyone complains, so let's not change anything I have absolutely no interest about'.

What about your posts and your opinions?  You offer a couple words or sentences here and there (baiting) just for the sake of inciting a response.  Lets hear your reasoning about the topic.

LOL I'm sorry, okay, I'm sorry, but (lol) you did it again.  Deflection.  LOL.  Oh man, you guys are highly amusing, that's for sure.
This is not said in malice, btw; I found this genuinely funny.  I'm not sure if you did it on purpose.  If you didn't, whoops.

[superimposed]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

superimposed wrote...
It's simple deflection. His posts are 'everyone complains, so let's not change anything I have absolutely no interest about'.

What about your posts and your opinions?  You offer a couple words or sentences here and there (baiting) just for the sake of inciting a response.  Lets hear your reasoning about the topic.

You've yet to give a reason at all.
You really should provide one before dismissing the possibility.

[Blackveldt]

JohnnyDollar wrote...
Yes I did how is that for a deflection?

Lol, nicely done, nicely done.  All this arguing gives me headache.

WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG DAMN IT?!  *SOB*

[Llandaryn]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

My reasoning in this whole discussion is more I suppose ideological than anything else.

I don't even know what the discussion's about anymore, but I'm gonna throw in a couple of dollars and hope I get some change out of it.

IMO, the romances were fine... at least in theory. Actual implementation of them could have been better, and more content could have been added. In an ideal would, I would like there to be a female romance for femSheps, and a maleRomance for maleSheps. I must state at this point that I have absolutely no interest whatseover of pursuing a same-gender romance myself. I can appreciate an attractive person of my own gender, but I have no desire to romance them, pixally or otherwise.

However, a lot of people seem to be objecting to same-sex romance because "OMG IT MAKES SHEPARD GAY!". It may not be their Shepard that's having a homosexual romance, but it could be. Regardless of the fact that any such romance would be entirely optional, it just seems to disturb some people that they're having a character who possesses a potenial for homosexuality. Unless of course you're playing a femShep, in which case you can have a steamy lesbian scene, which a lot of people actually seem fond of.

It's already been stated in an interview, however, that it's very unlikely that there's going to be any homosexual relationships. Bioware went there in Dragon Age. They don't want to go there in ME2. Not because they're afraid of the political fallout or whatever (otherwise they wouldn't have included it in DA:O) but because the character of Shepard just doesn't lean that way. That's how they've written him/her.

That said, romance takes up a tiny portion of my game. I would be quite happy for there to be no romances in ME3, and just concentrate on the main story arc. I never buy a game expecting there to be romance in it. It's just sugar sprinkles on top of a chocolate and marshmallow covered fairy cake.

To sum up, I hope that Bioware either put some real effort into romances in ME2 (including female models of aliens such as turians, batarians and salarians) or just plain leave them out.

[XxXgunziXxX]

must admit wish u could do samara at least now fems may go les  but ithink yes the ems doget a disadvantage wheniplayed tho as a girl iwas like wtf iget a blakcman a comdic smartmouth and a crybaby I:

Modifié par XxXgunziXxX, 07 mars 2010 - 11:38 .

[Merilsell]

There was a romance in ME2?

No seriously, no one of the three was that alluring to me that I would have considered to get my FemShep out of the two wuv with Kaidan she had so enjoyed before...well dying. And her gazing at his picture before the suicide mission was more appealing to me than all the love scenes altogether.

So yeah *shrug* I don't care much for the ME2 LI. I rather wait for a conclusion for the Kaidan romance in ME 3 

[iHeartME_pr]

Merilsell wrote...

There was a romance in ME2?

No seriously, no one of the three was that alluring to me that I would have considered to get my FemShep out of the two wuv with Kaidan she had so enjoyed before...well dying. And her gazing at his picture before the suicide mission was more appealing to me than all the love scenes altogether.

So yeah *shrug* I don't care much for the ME2 LI. I rather wait for a conclusion for the Kaidan romance in ME 3 

 I reacted the same way.

I tried to romance Garrus, but he was always "in the middle of some calibrations"

Thane always wanted femShepard to "consider what we've just discussed,"

And Jacob, besides lacking backbone, only cared about spilling drinks in the Citadel :|

I hope Kaidan comes back in ME3; and not just in a annoying e-mail.

[superimposed]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Blackveldt wrote...
WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG DAMN IT?!  *SOB*

I think it is fairly civil.  It would be nice though.  I worry about things I can change and have control over.  I discuss this stuff, but everyone has their beliefs and that can't be changed.

That's nice, except considering you haven't given a reason for your position you don't actually have anything.

[Merilsell]

iHeartME_pr wrote...

Merilsell wrote...

There was a romance in ME2?

No seriously, no one of the three was that alluring to me that I would have considered to get my FemShep out of the two wuv with Kaidan she had so enjoyed before...well dying. And her gazing at his picture before the suicide mission was more appealing to me than all the love scenes altogether.

So yeah *shrug* I don't care much for the ME2 LI. I rather wait for a conclusion for the Kaidan romance in ME 3 

 I reacted the same way.

I tried to romance Garrus, but he was always "in the middle of some calibrations"

Thane always wanted femShepard to "consider what we've just discussed,"

And Jacob, besides lacking backbone, only cared about spilling drinks in the Citadel :|

I hope Kaidan comes back in ME3; and not just in a annoying e-mail.

Kaidan will be back, as well as Ashley (if you'd chosen her over Kaidan) and Liara. Bioware already said there will be a conclusion to it. That's why they weren't recruitable in ME2 to make sure they all survive.

But I know what you mean, they were always too busy for me as well. Hey it's not that I've tried too (for the 50 GS)...yet my FemShep had a mind of her own and went all meh over the options giving to her. Guess she's indeed a Kaidan girl

[Blackveldt]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

superimposed wrote...
You've yet to give a reason at all.
You really should provide one before dismissing the possibility.

Here is my reasoning:
I don't agree or align myself with the current trend of guys drooling over f/f relationships.  If that is what you like then fine no problem here.  If someone is gay or bi or straight or whatever then no problem here.  If you want to change the game that we all paid for to reflect your own sexual desires that I don't share then I don't want it.  I am going to argue against it.  It's as simple as that.  
It's a cycle that never ends.  We need a f/f now, then it will be we need a m/m, then it will be we need a transgender.  Then it will be beastiality (hope not).  How far do we go before we say that not every minority view/belief can be pleased?

That was low.  And you've based your entire argument on a very basic fallacy (slippery slope).  It's not even close to the same thing; you should really educate yourself at least a little on the subject before jumping to such conclusions so vehemently.  *Sigh*

Some works that you might find interesting (these are APA/Women Studies/Etc articles--not some stupid Internet article; these are peer-reviewed research/experiments/journals) with statistically significant results:

Diamond, L. M. (2009):  Sexual Fluidity: Understanding Women's Love and Desire
Fay, R. E., Turner, C. F., Lassen, A. D. & Gagnon, J. (1989): Prevalence and patterns of same-gender sexual contact among men
Freudenthaler, H. H., Fink, A. & Neubauer, A. C. (2005):  Emotional abilities and cortical activation during emotional information processing
Gonsiorek, J. C., Sell, R. L., & Weinrich, J. D. (1995):  Definition and measurement of sexual orientation
Hansen, C. E. & Evans, A (1985):  Bisexuality Reconsidered
Laumann, E. O., Gagnon, J. H., Michael, R. T., & Michaels, S. (1994):  The social organization of sexuality: Sexual practices in the United States
MacDonald, A. P., (1981):  Bisexuality: Journal of Homosexuality
Rogers, S. M. & Turner, C. F. (1991):  Male-male sexual contact in the U.S.A.:  Findings from five sample surveys
Ross, M. W., & Paul, J. P (1992):  Beyond gender: The basis of sexual attraction in bisexual men and women
Shively, M. G. & De Cecco, J. P (1977): Components of sexual identity

I doubt you'll actually look any of these up and bother researching what you're talking about.  In that case, I have a nice meta-analysis for you in mind:
Mustanski, Chivers, & Bailey (2002): A Critical Review of Recent Biological Research on Human Sexual Orientation.

If you understand even a third of that, I'll be impressed.  If you don't, I actually don't mind summarizing the findings.  And if this is too much for you, then simply be sure to state that your opinions are just that--opinions.  And that is fine, but it irks me when people state their opinions as if they are fact--especially when they clearly no nothing of the subject matter.  That earns an automatic face-palm :/

[RighteousRage]

Did you seriously go through and read all those articles, Blackveldt?



"Man, I bet someday someone is going to refuse homosexual relationships in a video game and I can use this for support for any pro-homosexual viewpoint I could possibly think of"

[Collider]

TheTrooper1138 wrote...
Maybe Tali and Garrus are equal, especially since with both there would be problems with the physical aspect of the relationship, but that leaves two hot HUMAN females for MaleShep, plus one cliché character that looks like a lizard-fish-man and Kanye West for FemShep... great, really... 

Jack is hot? News to me. She has both an unattractive appearance and an unattractive personality. The latter is what is important, but I disagree that she is hot. I don't really see how Thane is cliche. Jacob, I'll give you. They could have done a much better job.

[RighteousRage]

Collider wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...
Maybe Tali and Garrus are equal, especially since with both there would be problems with the physical aspect of the relationship, but that leaves two hot HUMAN females for MaleShep, plus one cliché character that looks like a lizard-fish-man and Kanye West for FemShep... great, really... 

Jack is hot? News to me. She has both an unattractive appearance and an unattractive personality. The latter is what is important, but I disagree that she is hot. I don't really see how Thane is cliche. Jacob, I'll give you. They could have done a much better job.

2:53 and on - remind you of someone?

[Collider]

Neria Rose wrote...

Akeashar wrote...
but the way its written its just one 'Wham, Bam, Thank Ye Ma'am' before Omega IV. ;_;

I honestly don't think of it that way. With the cuddling you can have post-Omega, I imagine Garrus and my Shep caring very deeply about each other after the fact.

You can cuddle with any LI. Anyway, all romance leads to sex or intimacy, so Akeashar should perhaps be objecting to how mass effect romances are structured. Then again, I've never done the Garrus romance so I couldn't say what it entails.

[Collider]

MarginalBeast wrote...

lol you guys.

If Garrus and Shepard are just having a cheap one-night stand, why is he so visibly hurt when you turn him down? He just loves sex that much?

Because Shepard leads him on and is rejected before the suicide mission where everyone could possibly die?

[JaylaClark]

Collider wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...
Maybe Tali and Garrus are equal, especially since with both there would be problems with the physical aspect of the relationship, but that leaves two hot HUMAN females for MaleShep, plus one cliché character that looks like a lizard-fish-man and Kanye West for FemShep... great, really... 

Jack is hot? News to me. She has both an unattractive appearance and an unattractive personality. The latter is what is important, but I disagree that she is hot. I don't really see how Thane is cliche. Jacob, I'll give you. They could have done a much better job.

I have to disagree with you about Jack ... but I won't even try to convince you, it's just personal taste.  Though that belt-getup... sheesh.  I have no clue what they were thinking.

[RayneMoon]

As someone who plays as FemShep the most I'm going to be really really honest...
And say that you are completely right...
ME1:
1. Kaiden: This was like Carth Light basically, everything cool that they could have done with him they didn't. It was hot, but so what? He was vanilla...
2. Liara: Okay, somewhat better except that she also was a little vanilla and it never felt very romantic around her. She always seemed kind of clinical and cold.
ME2:
1. Jacob: Kaiden 2.0, he was a lot better than Kaiden because ,let's be honest, you could only go up. He was really handsome and he was interesting, but his romance felt really really sleezy. Like bad soap opera cheesy romance.
2. Garrus: Okay he was done well, but you never could talk to him even if you were romancing him. You  have like 3 actually conversations before you slept together. And all that time was spent just wondering how sex would work...
3. Thane: Personality wise, the hottest guy in Mass Effect, for a woman at least. His romance felt more like a romance and not a "Oh my God no one is looking, quick touch me!" thing. He's intelligent, mature, spiritual, and interesting. But they made him dying . . . Yeah, well enjoy is awesome personality while he lives...

[Collider]

enormousmoonboots wrote...
I believe getting out of the relationship is always in the Paragon spot, for all romances (notably, you get no Paragon points for it). The game's sort of built on the assumption you romanced someone in ME1 and thus, getting out of the 'cheating' relationship would be the Paragon option.

Basically, I see the paragon option ending the romance as not assuming that you are cheating but as convenience. Some people speed through conversations and could inadvertently end the romance if the end the romance option is in the neutral/default position. You could also reason that it's the paragon position because Shepard ends the romance easy if I assume correctly. On the basis that it wouldn't work in one way or another.