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[Cascadus]

People hate Jacob because of the lasting waves of what I deem the 'Kaidan Effect'. No one can rationally explain why they hate him, other than the fact he is voiced by Carth, boring (which is a sentiment I agree with, myself) and is apparently whiny (never saw where that one came from really, besides complaining a bit over BAaT's treatment of him, which, considering their practices, is justified). Jacob was doomed to be hated because he is the human male squad member in the game thus instantly boring and hated.

[Deztyn]

Plenty of people have given reasons why they dislike Jacob. Here are some of mine:

1) I'm more interested in 'talking' for a bit. Perhaps a bit unfair to blame Jacob, but it certainly makes him impossible for some of us to talk to him.

2) "She requires a better man than I." but I'll start 'romancing' you in 5, 4, 3, 2. . ..

3) The Priiiiiiiiiiize. They could be married and it would STILL come across as intensely creepy.

4) His loyalty mission. I've only done it once but he didn't seem very emotionally involved in it. "Oh, my dead dad might be alive, huh, we should look into it, I guess. Oh, he's playing emperor with a harem of chemically lobotamized women. How awful. Oh, he's dead. Hmmm. We're done now right?"

5) Combat: He has a horrible character class. Bad at range. Dies very quickly up close. No method of dealing with Shields or Barriers. Virtually useless on Hardcore or Insanity no matter what class you're playing. and especially useless for Vanguards since they already have Pull and incendiary ammo.

6) For a supposedly loyal squaddie he spends a lot of time second guessing you. Irritating in a subordinate. Borderline offensive in a love interest. You may have saved the citadel, but I saved that and the known galaxy. I know how to choose my squadmates, 'kay?

7) He seems rather fickle. Alliance? Didn't like it. Corsairs? Didn't like it. Cerberus? Don't like it but I'll hang around anyway. Which brings me to the next point.

8) I'd probably respect him more if he was a loyal member of Cerberus. Unlike most of your crew he knows what kind of nastiness Cerberus is up to and goes along with them anyway. Not because he's personally loyal and feels indebted (Miranda), loyal to you (Chakwas) or ignorant of their wrongdoings (Ken: I joined Cerberus because of you, Shepard! Oh, uh, they fed your unit to a Thresher that, umm. . . we'll talk later, I have some. . . calibrations.). Hell he's not even an optimist who believes that Cerberus can rise above. He just thinks that Cerberus is getting things done and is willing to ignore the rest. That would be fine for a Renegade ends-justify-the-means type character, but he tries too hard to play the paragon, and instead comes off as a hypocrite.

But, obviously, I'm making up all of the above and I just hate him because he's human!
Oh, and black.

Modifié par Deztyn, 08 mars 2010 - 04:42 .

[Blackveldt]

Deztyn wrote...

2) "She requires a better man than I." but I'll start 'romancing' you in 5, 4, 3, 2. . ..

3) The Priiiiiiiiiiize. They could be married and it would STILL come across as intensely creepy.

6) For a supposedly loyal squaddie he spends a lot of time second guessing you. Irritating in a subordinate. Borderline offensive in a love interest. You may have saved the citadel, but I saved that and the known galaxy. I know how to choose my squadmates, 'kay?

7) He seems rather fickle. Alliance? Didn't like it. Corsairs? Didn't like it. Cerberus? Don't like it but I'll hang around anyway. Which brings me to the next point.

Holy ****, you had me rofling at these.  Especially because they're all so damned true!

[Minxie]

I don't think human male squad members are doomed to be boring and hated. They just need to stop making them so generic. Kaidan and Jacob are like... government issued squad members. I always get the impression that there is a lot of creative effort put into writing female characters like Miranda, but the human males are like afterthoughts. They're predictable, bland, and also, I think, entirely too nice to Shepard. Too goody-goody.
What makes Miranda and Jack succeed is probably that they are can be quite mean to Shepard and morally ambiguous.

I think a well-received human male character/LI would be a badass renegade type guy (yes, a bad boy). If the devs still want to go with the morally upright good soldier guy he can be saved by being really, really funny. It seems they give all the wisecracks to the aliens.

And, of course, he needs to be hot.

Modifié par Minxie18, 08 mars 2010 - 05:08 .

[Llandaryn]

KentGoldings wrote...

All three of the major love interests for the male Shepard are much more compelling than the most compelling for the female.

Have to disagree. Again, it's all down to preference. I find Miranda to be too much of a barbie-doll to take seriously. Sure, she has a bit of depth to her character, but it rarely shows. And Tali... her romance just feels wrong to me. She's so dedicated to the flotilla, I don't think she'd ever be interested in any sort of long-term relationship with Shepard. Her character has more depth than Miranda, but could have been better. I would have liked to have influenced her POV about the geth more. Jack is the exception; I love her character, she's incredibly deep once you get past her emotional barriers, and her character has real potential.

For the women, romancing Thane seems like a comfort thing to me. I mean, he's dying and you remind him of his wife. But character-wise, he's pretty sound, and not a one-dimensional killer. Garrus is just Garrus, and I prefer him with the proverbial stick out of his butt. Some people complain that he feels like too much of a friend/brother, but that's sorta the whole point. You have to move past that to make it work. I've heard bad things about Jacob's romance and haven't done it myself so I'll reserve judgement, but so far his character lacks the emotional involvement of the other two so I can see why he's not preferred.

TBH, I just see the male romance options as a little to easy and convenient. Seems like femSheps have to work at their relationships a bit more, to get them to work at all. And that kinda feels like how it should be.

[superimposed]

RighteousRage wrote...

Did you seriously go through and read all those articles, Blackveldt?

"Man, I bet someday someone is going to refuse homosexual relationships in a video game and I can use this for support for any pro-homosexual viewpoint I could possibly think of"

Actually, a lot of people doing particular subjects or working in particular fields rely on journal articles as supporting evidence, or to argue points, and as such can easily collect a few 'favourites' out of interest, or necessity.

I know a biologist who has over 15000 articles all on evolution alone.

And many many more for everything else.

[superimposed]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

superimposed wrote...
You've yet to give a reason at all.
You really should provide one before dismissing the possibility.

Here is my reasoning:
I don't agree or align myself with the current trend of guys drooling over f/f relationships.  If that is what you like then fine no problem here.  If someone is gay or bi or straight or whatever then no problem here.  If you want to change the game that we all paid for to reflect your own sexual desires that I don't share then I don't want it.  I am going to argue against it.  It's as simple as that.  
It's a cycle that never ends.  We need a f/f now, then it will be we need a m/m, then it will be we need a transgender.  Then it will be beastiality (hope not).  How far do we go before we say that this is too far?
That is why I said earlier that I was looking at it from an idelogical perspecitive.

And there it is!
That's why there's absolutely no reason to look at you seriously.

For someone who purports to be 'well educated' or 'versed with journals' you seem have a rather frail grasp of the concept of 'logic'.
Apparently unfamiliar with the term 'slipper slope fallacy' you've decided to employ the ridiculous idea that introduction of same-sex romances will somehow lead us all in to depravity. The finest TV pastors will hold you aloft upon their shoulders at such an amazing display of ignorance.
You do realise, when you talk about 'minority groups' that women are a minority group? Oh yeah. Seems like by including women we've started ourselves on a slippery slope to beastiality.
Pandering to minority groups is a slippery slope indeed.

Modifié par superimposed, 08 mars 2010 - 12:11 .

[Collider]

Llandaryn wrote...
And Tali... her romance just feels wrong to me. She's so dedicated to the flotilla, I don't think she'd ever be interested in any sort of long-term relationship with Shepard.

lolwut? If she wasn't interested in Shepard romantically, she wouldn't have risked her life to be with him. Tali isn't one to have a fling. If all she wanted was sexual stimulation, there are nerve stimulators.

TBH, I just see the male romance options as a little to easy and convenient.

How the hell is it different? Ultimately you're just choosing dialogue options.

[Sharn01]

Cascadus wrote...

People hate Jacob because of the lasting waves of what I deem the 'Kaidan Effect'. No one can rationally explain why they hate him, other than the fact he is voiced by Carth, boring (which is a sentiment I agree with, myself) and is apparently whiny (never saw where that one came from really, besides complaining a bit over BAaT's treatment of him, which, considering their practices, is justified). Jacob was doomed to be hated because he is the human male squad member in the game thus instantly boring and hated.

Do people even read post's or just assume this is the case?

There are lots of people who have listed multiple reason's why they dislike Jacob's romance, his personality or both, and they get repeated in many thread's, the post right below your own listed some of the more commonly heard reason's. 

Most of the time a thread about Jacob will finally fall to the back pages once enough people come in and start posting all the problem's with the character, a few maleshep player's who liked him will futilely try to defend him until they are overwhelmed and the thread will fall to the back pages.  Then a few to several days later another why is Jacob hated or Is Jacob really so bad, etc, post will be started again and begin the process anew.

[InvaderErl]

Collider wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...
And Tali... her romance just feels wrong to me. She's so dedicated to the flotilla, I don't think she'd ever be interested in any sort of long-term relationship with Shepard.

lolwut? If she wasn't interested in Shepard romantically, she wouldn't have risked her life to be with him. Tali isn't one to have a fling. If all she wanted was sexual stimulation, there are nerve stimulators.

TBH, I just see the male romance options as a little to easy and convenient.

How the hell is it different? Ultimately you're just choosing dialogue options.

Not to mention that she's sick of the floatilla's political manueverings. You see this a bit more clearly if she's exiled but Tali is disillusioned with life back home.

[TheTrooper1138]

Deztyn wrote...



Plenty of people have given reasons why they dislike Jacob. Here are some of mine:

1) I'm more interested in 'talking' for a bit. Perhaps a bit unfair to blame Jacob, but it certainly makes him impossible for some of us to talk to him.

2) "She requires a better man than I." but I'll start 'romancing' you in 5, 4, 3, 2. . ..

3) The Priiiiiiiiiiize. They could be married and it would STILL come across as intensely creepy.

4) His loyalty mission. I've only done it once but he didn't seem very emotionally involved in it. "Oh, my dead dad might be alive, huh, we should look into it, I guess. Oh, he's playing emperor with a harem of chemically lobotamized women. How awful. Oh, he's dead. Hmmm. We're done now right?"

5) Combat: He has a horrible character class. Bad at range. Dies very quickly up close. No method of dealing with Shields or Barriers. Virtually useless on Hardcore or Insanity no matter what class you're playing. and especially useless for Vanguards since they already have Pull and incendiary ammo.

6) For a supposedly loyal squaddie he spends a lot of time second guessing you. Irritating in a subordinate. Borderline offensive in a love interest. You may have saved the citadel, but I saved that and the known galaxy. I know how to choose my squadmates, 'kay?

7) He seems rather fickle. Alliance? Didn't like it. Corsairs? Didn't like it. Cerberus? Don't like it but I'll hang around anyway. Which brings me to the next point.

8) I'd probably respect him more if he was a loyal member of Cerberus. Unlike most of your crew he knows what kind of nastiness Cerberus is up to and goes along with them anyway. Not because he's personally loyal and feels indebted (Miranda), loyal to you (Chakwas) or ignorant of their wrongdoings (Ken: I joined Cerberus because of you, Shepard! Oh, uh, they fed your unit to a Thresher that, umm. . . we'll talk later, I have some. . . calibrations.). Hell he's not even an optimist who believes that Cerberus can rise above. He just thinks that Cerberus is getting things done and is willing to ignore the rest. That would be fine for a Renegade ends-justify-the-means type character, but he tries too hard to play the paragon, and instead comes off as a hypocrite.

But, obviously, I'm making up all of the above and I just hate him because he's human!
Oh, and black.

This... you made me understand my hatred for that guy even better... xD
You forgot to mention that he looks like Kanye West though... 


And I think it's ridiculous that some now claim "we" straight male gamers only complain because we want f/f romance. True, since my Femshep had a relationship with Liara in ME1 and was disappointed of her after Illium, she needed a new LI, but there was no female or Asari available.. except Kelly, whom you can't really romance.. though she kinda was my Femsheps romance anyways...
BUT to get back to my original point, just because there is no f/f romance is not the reason I dislike the male LIs. I dislike them, because they are boring (except maybe Garrus, who still is weird)... I liked the Alistair romance in DAO, so what now? Kinda breaking the argument, isn't it? It was well written and sweet as were all of the romances in DAO (except Zevran maybe, I hate that smug dude)... of course the romances in DAO were more "realistic" as well... not the Hollywood "we are together now, so let's ****"-romances of ME2, but you really get the feeling of a relationship developing, kissing your LI long before "going to the tent"... much better, so maybe DAO spoiled me a little bit... also I was pissed with the way the ME1 LIs were treated in ME2.. OK, keep them as cameos, but at least let your Spep express his/her feelings in some way! OK, with Ashley (and I guess Kaidan too) you get to talk to Kelly about it, if only a few lines, but what about Liara? You couldn't even tell her "I love you" or "I don't like the way you've become, go to hell!"... 

[The Governator]

The Angry One wrote...

Eh, to me all the ME2 LIs are somewhat lacklustre.
Thane is too manufactured, Jacob is... ugh.. Miranda annoys me, Jack is repulsive both in looks and personality.
The only ones that seem at all interesting are Garrus and Tali, and that's probably because they're from ME1. Even then, Garrus seems a little awkward and from what I've seen the Tali romance is a little creepy.

Bolded part.  My canon femshep is with Kaiden.  I did not mind going through ME2 without a romance, but it will be very disappointing if ME3 does not reunite them. 

Garrus is awkward, but I would like to see a femShep and Tali romance. 

jack...if I played Renegade, I would have spaced jack.

[Llandaryn]

Collider wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...
And Tali... her romance just feels wrong to me. She's so dedicated to the flotilla, I don't think she'd ever be interested in any sort of long-term relationship with Shepard.

lolwut? If she wasn't interested in Shepard romantically, she wouldn't have risked her life to be with him. Tali isn't one to have a fling. If all she wanted was sexual stimulation, there are nerve stimulators.

Well, I've only played through the game once -- I didn't romance Tali, nor was she exiled in my game, she was given leave to serve with me. If you've romanced Tali, and seen her exiled, then obviously your perceptions of her are going to be different. I see her as somebody who's completely dedicated to her people, and to their long-term goal of reclaiming her homeworld. She's along for the ride because she wants to do right and she wants to help Shepard. Naturally, the Tali you've seen loves Shepard. The Tali I've experienced doesn't, though there's a great deal of trust and respect between them. But if my Shepard asked Tali to give up everything to stay with him/her forever, the Tali in my game would say no. And no, I don't think she'd have a 'fling' with Shepard either. She just seems far too focussed on her mission to care about relationships, but again, I see a different Tali than you do.

TBH, I just see the male romance options as a little to easy and convenient.

How the hell is it different? Ultimately you're just choosing dialogue options.

Ah, I should have mentioned that I'm seeing things from a writer/observer POV, rather than a gamer/participation POV, and analysing them from a cultural POV.

Shepard + Miranda = easy. She's designed to be a space fox, and though she has some minor emotional issues, it's easy to get past them.

Shepard + Jack = a bit more difficult. She's got a dark past, but she's still essentially human. All she needs is to be shown that somebody cares for her, respects her and wants her, and you're cooking with gas.

Shepard + Tali = quite interesting. On the one hand, she's an alien, and we don't know what her biology's like. But we've already seen (on Illium) that human/quarian relationships aren't unique to Tali and Shepard. As far as aliens go, quarians are neutral to the Alliance, and a lot of people could probably empathise with the relationship because of the whole 'mystery behind the mask' thing. It's alluring and hints at the forbidden.

Shepard + Jacob = see Miranda. Standard human stuff. Nothing new there.

Shepard + Garrus = very difficult. You have to get around the fact that their biology and physiology is very different. Sure, you don't have the whole 'illness' factor that you do with Tali, but physiologically speaking, humans and turians don't look like they're all that compatible. Add to the fact that turians and humans are hardly the best of friends following the First Contact War, and you've got a relationship that's riddled with biological conundrums and potential prejudice from both sides of the pond.

Shepard + Thane = also challenging. Drell are also obviously different to humans. What is tolerable to a human will slowly kill a drell. I can see a lot of scorn being heaped onto a relationship between the two. You only have to look at these forums, and the many "OMG ur screwing a fish!!!!" posts to see how people can be biased against a character who doesn't fit the mold.

So maleSheps get two humans or an alien who is mysterious and has an attractive sexy body. This is easy and convenient.

FemSheps get to choose between two vastly different aliens or have to put up with Mister Tedium Incarnate. Which is why the romances for femSheps are neither easy nor convenient.

[jlb524]

Collider wrote...

jlb524 wrote...Fair would be offering a m/m option to the guy Shepards and a f/f option to the gals.  That didn't happen this time, of course

It's not really an issue of fairness. Having lesbian romances to begin with is rare and unique. Bioware is not the government, they do not owe you any romances whatsoever.

They don't have to offer any romances, but they do.  In the past, they've offered f/f and m/m options and now in a game were there are more romance options than they've ever offered they include no same-sex ones.  I feel slighted.  But you're right, they're not the government so I'll just have to vote with my wallet in the future.

[Llandaryn]

jlb524 wrote...

But you're right, they're not the government so I'll just have to vote with my wallet in the future.

It would be pretty sad if you threatened to refrain from buying the game just because it doesn't offer a same-sex romance, though. If you like Mass Effect -- the story, the gameplay, the immersion -- you'd buy them even if they offered no romance options. To do otherwise, and to threaten to boycott a game on its forum just because a certain aspect isn't to your liking, is just petty. I'm sure nobody ever wrote to Tolkien to express their disappointment that Arwen and Galadriel can't get it on. Sure, we all have things that we'd like to see in the game, but we have to accept that Bioware has its limits.

There's a concept in business about must-haves and luxuries. Everybody has a basic requirement for the game -- a decent story, decent graphics, decent voice-acting. These are our "must-haves". On top of that, the company may offer bonuses or luxuries -- but it only works once. After that, the 'bonus' ceases to become a luxury, and moves into the 'expected' category. In ME1, romances were a bonus. In DA:O, they were a bonus. In ME2, they became a must-have. Now that ME3 is in the works, we're all (royal "we") issuing demands and making threats about what we'll do if we don't get what we want. If Bioware retract all romances, we'll be up in arms because they've removed the bonus that we have come to see as expected.

[jlb524]

Llandaryn wrote...

It would be pretty sad if you threatened to refrain from buying the game just because it doesn't offer a same-sex romance, though. If you like Mass Effect -- the story, the gameplay, the immersion -- you'd buy them even if they offered no romance options. To do otherwise, and to threaten to boycott a game on its forum just because a certain aspect isn't to your liking, is just petty. I'm sure nobody ever wrote to Tolkien to express their disappointment that Arwen and Galadriel can't get it on. Sure, we all have things that we'd like to see in the game, but we have to accept that Bioware has its limits.

I thought ME2 was a let-down gameplay wise and story-wise.  I'm going to notice the lack of a same-sex options in this case, especially when they took all that time to make 6 straight romance options.   I already bought ME2 so I'm not boycotting this game.  I'm not sure about ME3 yet.

It's hard to find media with same-sex romance themes (especially video games).  When I find a company that includes them, it's a big deal to me.  If said company starts to exclude them for some reason, I'll take notice and start to lose interest.  There are other games that have better gameplay/story than ME2 and have the exact same same-sex content (none) and I'd rather buy these.  It's my money and I'll spend it elsewhere.

[Pannamaslo]

Llandaryn wrote...

FemSheps get to choose between two vastly different aliens or have to put up with Mister Tedium Incarnate. Which is why the romances for femSheps are neither easy nor convenient.

That's why I like them very much. Nonstandard, difficult, interesting. I can't say it's a disadvantage from my perspective. I like what wirters did with Garrus and Thane, the two are really a breath of fresh air for a female romance department.

[Llandaryn]

jlb524 wrote...

 It's my money and I'll spend it elsewhere.

That is, of course, your prerogative.  I'm sure that if ME3 doesn't cater to you, you'll be able to discern the outcome from watching youtube clips anyway.

Pannamaslo wrote...

Llandaryn wrote...

FemSheps
get to choose between two vastly different aliens or have to put up
with Mister Tedium Incarnate. Which is why the romances for femSheps
are neither easy nor convenient.

That's
why I like them very much. Nonstandard, difficult, interesting. I can't
say it's a disadvantage from my perspective. I like what wirters did
with Garrus and Thane, the two are really a breath of fresh air for a
female romance department.

That's my reasoning as well. I live by the philosophy that "If it's easy, it's probably not worth it."

Modifié par Llandaryn, 08 mars 2010 - 07:09 .

[Pannamaslo]

Llandaryn wrote...

That's my reasoning as well. I live by the philosophy that "If it's easy, it's probably not worth it."

Now we know what's wrong with Jacob.

[Raphael diSanto]

Minxie18 wrote...

I don't think human male squad members are doomed to be boring and hated. They just need to stop making them so generic. Kaidan and Jacob are like... government issued squad members. I always get the impression that there is a lot of creative effort put into writing female characters like Miranda, but the human males are like afterthoughts. They're predictable, bland, and also, I think, entirely too nice to Shepard. Too goody-goody.
What makes Miranda and Jack succeed is probably that they are can be quite mean to Shepard and morally ambiguous.

I think a well-received human male character/LI would be a badass renegade type guy (yes, a bad boy). If the devs still want to go with the morally upright good soldier guy he can be saved by being really, really funny. It seems they give all the wisecracks to the aliens.

And, of course, he needs to be hot.

See, they made one of these. Zaeed. And then they didn't make him romanceable. I know a number of female ME players who'd love a (maybe younger? version of) Zaeed as an LI.

Apparently the writers thought that more women would be interested in a man with Jacob's personality than a man with Zaeed's personality (taking age/looks/race/etc out of the equation)..

[Leanansidhe]

Ok, here goes.  This has been building up for awhile, so bear with me.   I am a female gamer.  I know the Turian Councillor will try to dismiss that claim, but alas, it's true. 

The romances in ME2 were horrible for me.  Just getting that out there, so you understand this is my personal opinion, and in no way reflects what might be true for others.

Jacob:  I tried.  I really did.  I was looking forward to this romance before he opened his mouth.  I was thinking, "How interesting!  An interracial romance.  Definitely want to try it!"  (Keep in mind, I'm white, so I see this from my point of view.  Not intended to to cause racial remarks AT ALL!!)  But, OMG!! could he have been any more horrible??  First, the forced flirtatious remarks.  I'm not a ****, and I refuse to be forced to act like one.  Then, of course, the kicker.  "She...requires a better man than I."  Oh, I see.  So, Miranda deserves a better man than me?  Good thing I have Kaidan waiting for me then!!  Because I deserve a better man than you!

Thane:  This is a purely personal thing.  I was bitten by a rattlesnake when I was 8.  I still remember it vividly.  The first time I got a shot of the back of Thane's head, I cringed and my skin started to crawl.   Then, he opened his mouth too, and it all went downhill from there.  Like someone said before me...
Dead wife-check
Estranged son-check
Dying-check
Could he be anymore cliche?  And then we have the whole Rain Man vibe going on.  The first time he went into his little memory fugue state, I just creeped out.  So much for Thane.

Garrus:  I actually cheated on Kaidan and romanced him once.  Garrus is cool, we have a history, and if the romance had been written better instead of feeling like it was tacked on without any real thought being put into it, I probably would have cheated more.   If my Turian love muffin tells me he's busy doing some calibrations one more time, I'm going to get violent.   Though, as some have said, it feels more like a "friends comforting each other during a really bad time" kind of thing.  I hope they put more into it in 3.

In conclusion, I hope that they're going to put in a way to cut the crew down to a manageable size in 3.  Jacob and Jack can get dropped off at Afterlife.  I'm sure they'll like it there.  Aria can have Jacob with my blessings. I can drop Thane off in White Sands.  He can go bask on a rock, dreaming of his dead wife, for the remainder of his short life.  Samara can be dropped off back in Asari space, to hunt Psychic Vampires to her hearts content.

I will then go to the Citadel and hunt down a certain doctor, and let her know in no uncertain terms that she's playing with fire.  After that, Kaidan will be kidnapped and deposited in my cabin.  And, then, I suppose I'll go tell Liara to get her ass on the Normandy, and to stop screwing around.  She wants the Shadow Broker?  We'll go get him.

Good times on the horizon!

[Ray Joel Oh]

Aw, I thought the Garrus romance was well written. I mean, of what was there... it was too short but it was funny and cute. And I think the progression of it made sense for what little interaction there was, friends to f*** buddies rather than friends to love. It may get there eventually but I can believe that in three conversations they'd go from "Should we do this? How do we do this? Okay let's do this."

Modifié par Ray Joel Oh, 08 mars 2010 - 08:52 .

[Halmiriliath]

The problem with topics like this is that emotional attachments and love are far too subjective to reach any kind of consensus, and thus you get - as we've seen here - a wide range of irreconcilable opinions. Some people may like Garrus, some may like Thane, some Jack etc. It's all subjective. An aspect of someone's character - like Jack's initial standoffishness - may irritate the hell out of some people, while some may see a facade that she's erected to protect herself. Personally, I'm not fond of Jacob because he always seems to be in the comm room shouting his mouth off when we get new members. 'So what if you don't like assassins? You're just as much - if not more so - a mercenary as he is. Plus he's all kinds of awesome and you're just being deliberately rude. Get the hell out of here before you find yourself flying through the airlock at breakneck speed!'

Additionally, I think this also applies to the speed at which you form emotional attachments and subsequently romance characters: some may think Shepard/their love interest latch on to them way too quickly, while others are fine with the pace. No-one follows a set pattern when developing a relationship, so it's all in the eye of the beholder. Subjective, subjective, subjective...

Edit: I just read through this again and it sounded in my mind as if I was being both condescending and Commander Obvious. My apologies if it seems so, but it hadn't been bright up, so I thought it was worth mentioning.

Modifié par Halmiriliath, 08 mars 2010 - 09:35 .