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[GodWood]

Garrus and Thane are excellent romances, don't make "FemShep's options suck" remarks just because you don't get to see girl on girl.

[mopotter]

Luc0s wrote...

Why are always the femshep players who are moaning about the LI's, while the maleshep LI's are not much better/ just as bad. Yet you don't see us maleshep players creating lots of topics about the crappy LI's.

romance in ME never was something really interesting and more like a gimmick to me. We should care so much about it and just play the game for all it's awesomeness it has to offer.

I agree the male Shep's choices are not any better then the female Shep's. But, Please.  Have you looked at the message boards.  A lot, not all, but
a lot seem to look no farther than  Oh Miranda is so Hot.l  Oh Tali I
want to take her suite of and see her face and bla bla bla   I don't think a lot of the guys care about their personality or how deep the romance goes and probably some of the women don't care either.

But, a large part of BioWare's "awesomeness" for me at least, is the overall character developments and interaction between Shepard and the other team members.  The romance just makes it that much more interesting and if someone isn't interested they don't have to do them. 

As for as the LI for female Shep.  I like Thane and how they interact.  I like seeing them hold hands while they talk.  I like flirting with Garrus and then deciding we will be friends that blow things up togehter. 

What I don't like about Jacob is feeling like I"m putting a move on him, he is uncomfortable with.  The words they gave him to say, are not words I would find easy to follow up on.  and the words they have her to say, I would have liked to have sounded little less  "hey bit boy come on over I want to get to KNOW you".  Yes I know that's not what she says but that's the impression I get when she says it.   

Overall I still like the ME 1 LI best.  I agree with whoever said these seem like a shipboard fling.

[Lightice_av]

I don't think a lot of the guys care about their personality or how deep the romance goes and probably some of the women don't care either.

I'm a guy and I damn well care more about the characters' personalities than their assets (so to speak). If I want porn, I watch porn. Mass Effect's strength is good, strong characters who manage to evoke genuine emotional responses from the player. I much rather get dozen more lines of well written dialogue for a romance subplot than a pointless titillation scene (I am looking at you Kelly!).

[Nozybidaj]

The Angry One wrote...

Eh, to me all the ME2 LIs are somewhat lacklustre.
Thane is too manufactured, Jacob is... ugh.. Miranda annoys me, Jack is repulsive both in looks and personality.
The only ones that seem at all interesting are Garrus and Tali, and that's probably because they're from ME1. Even then, Garrus seems a little awkward and from what I've seen the Tali romance is a little creepy.

I find myself agreeing with TAO a lot lately.  Is it because of the expressive use of snarkiness and sarcasm in her posts or am I just inexorably drawn to her super hot femShep like everyone else?  You decide.

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 06 mars 2010 - 12:57 .

[Nozybidaj]

Lightice_av wrote...

I don't think a lot of the guys care about their personality or how deep the romance goes and probably some of the women don't care either.

I'm a guy and I damn well care more about the characters' personalities than their assets (so to speak). If I want porn, I watch porn. Mass Effect's strength is good, strong characters who manage to evoke genuine emotional responses from the player. I much rather get dozen more lines of well written dialogue for a romance subplot than a pointless titillation scene (I am looking at you Kelly!).

Very much agreed, though oddly I found Kelly to be the best romance in ME2.  I'm confused now.

[Lightice_av]

Very much agreed, though oddly I found Kelly to be the best romance in ME2. I'm confused now.

For one, just skipping that dinner scene was unforgivable. What could have served as interesting look into Kelly's background and character outside Normady's Yeoman duties was coldly left out. And second, the lack of dialogue during those last scenes make what could have been an excellent moment for creating an emotional connection are now just pointless and failed titillation - gyrating pixels don't get me off if I don't even properly know the character. It's a pity, since I think that Kelly would have had potential for much more.

[Vaenier]

Tali for femShep LI!

[Zhijn]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Lightice_av wrote...

I don't think a lot of the guys care about their personality or how deep the romance goes and probably some of the women don't care either.

I'm a guy and I damn well care more about the characters' personalities than their assets (so to speak). If I want porn, I watch porn. Mass Effect's strength is good, strong characters who manage to evoke genuine emotional responses from the player. I much rather get dozen more lines of well written dialogue for a romance subplot than a pointless titillation scene (I am looking at you Kelly!).

Very much agreed, though oddly I found Kelly to be the best romance in ME2.  I'm confused now.

Going by the hole dating theory, it probably is. Heh.

[HaloKT]

Personally I don't think Femsheps are at a disadvantage overall. It's just that we have no F/F romance, but that would put Malesheps at exactly the same disadvantage, since there is no M/M either. And yeah, we can cuddle with Kelly. I kind of wish she were an actual LI, since the female LIs besides Tali are kind of bland as well.



If we take a look at the romance options:

1.) Tali. Since no one knows what she looks like, all you have is her personality and voice. I personally find both extremely appealing. Yes, she is a geek, and yes, she is sort of awkward. But compared to Miranda and especially Jack, she is very mature and "grown-up" about it. I especially loved her quote about how she could make any piece of scrap metal do precision jumps. She's confident in her abilities. She's even sassy at times. Plus I loved the story about her and her distant father. Unlike Miranda, she didn't make an issue about it. Of course she was mourning his death, who wouldn't? Plus it's pretty safe to say anyone would be caught in a moral dilemma if you found out your father was conducting experiments that could put the entire human species at risk.. Loved the line about how her father would enjoy her mourning over him by blowing up a lot of Geth heh... For me, Tali is just about the perfect girl. Of course, others might have adifferent view on it.



2.) Miranda. Kind of bland. "Perfect" gengineered woman, but too insecure to actually make any use of it. TIM as new father figure since her fallout with her actual dad. Later in the game Shepard as new father figure. Predictable, and... well, sort of uninteresting. I'm really not into girls who constantly bore me with their trivial issues. Her concern for her sister actually was refreshing, since those actually WERE real problems that needed taking care of, but after that she fell back into the whole "boohoo, I'm perfect, but I screw everything up because I never had a father" routine. Can't say I hate her, but she's just not interesting, neither as a friend nor as a LI.



3.) Jack... well. I'm not into angst-filled teenage emos either. And that's basically what she is. She's just as insecure as Miranda, but instead ofgoing for the "perfect and infallible" facade, she puts on an "OMG I IZ DANGEROUS B*TCH!" facade. Unless Miranda, she can't even be befriended, making her character for Femsheps even more shallow and uninteresting than Miranda's, if such a thing is actually possible. If she's back in ME3 I really hope she finally grows up and leaves her angst behind. I'd rate her as the single most uninteresting LI available. Probably because I'm more into girls who are upfront about their problems and are willing to resolve them, rather than dwell on them.



4.) Jacob. Slightly more interesting than a lampshade. I usually have less interaction with him than with the weapons loadout thingy next to him. I don't know where BioWare went wrong with him. I guess they just tried too hard. Could've been a really cool LI/friend option, but somehow someone screwed up.



5.) Thane. The obvious knight in shining armour. Yeah, he's an assassin, but he only kills bad guys. He's dangerous, badass, but also very spiritual and just. I can definitely see the appeal here, but it just isn't my thing.



6.) Garrus... the Turian vigilante. Basically Batman in space. Now Garrus is an LI I actually like. He's strong, got his own mind and opinions (and cannot be talked out of assassinating Sidonis unlike other crewmates who can be coerced into doing whatever you want them to) and isn't afraid to admit that he's not perfect. Overall I think he does have a very strong personality, and if I would romance any male crewmate at all, it would easily be Garrus. Because he's just that awesome



Overall, from my PoV Femsheps do in fact have an advantage over Malesheps in terms of LIs. Femsheps get Garrus and Thane. Malesheps only have Tali. Yes, I would love to have a bi option. But sexual orientation doesn't have anything to do with gender. You might as well start a thread about how Malesheps are at a disadvantage because you cannot romance Thane. It's just as incorrect as this thread.

Note that I'm all for having same sex romances (for obvious reasons), but I personally find the Femshep romances to be far more interesting overall than the Maleshep romances.

[superimposed]

lawl. Guy or girl, they're coding and pixels. For all the girls drooling over Thane, it's not Thane you like, it's the writer.

[Dave the Seagull]

superimposed wrote...

lawl. Guy or girl, they're coding and pixels. For all the girls drooling over Thane, it's not Thane you like, it's the writer.

Oh cool! One of the writers is a frog man from space!

[GodWood]

HaloKT wrote...
the female LIs besides Tali are kind of bland as well.

If we take a look at the romance options:
3.) Jack... well. I'm not into angst-filled teenage emos either. And that's basically what she is. She's just as insecure as Miranda, but instead ofgoing for the "perfect and infallible" facade, she puts on an "OMG I IZ DANGEROUS B*TCH!" facade. Unless Miranda, she can't even be befriended, making her character for Femsheps even more shallow and uninteresting than Miranda's, if such a thing is actually possible. If she's back in ME3 I really hope she finally grows up and leaves her angst behind. I'd rate her as the single most uninteresting LI available. Probably because I'm more into girls who are upfront about their problems and are willing to resolve them, rather than dwell on them.

-sigh-
I really dislike when people say Jack is a whiney angsty, teenage emo.
Its as if they completely ignore the fact that since childhood she was locked in a cell with absolutely no human interaction, was only brought out to be tortured, experimented on or drugged and forced to kill other children, then upon leaving the facility she was used and abused by multiple pirate/slaver/cult gangs and gang raped.

I think shes entitled to be a little pissed off.
EDIT: from the Jack fan thread, a picture of Jack's surgical scars from childhood.

Modifié par GodWood, 06 mars 2010 - 01:24 .

[Mondo47]

Mine didn't feel all that disadvantaged... and I haven't gone anywhere near Mr Tall, Scaly and Terminal yet. Granted, Male-Sheps do get Tali and Jack, who are to me at least a lot more interesting than Liara and Ashley ever were, but it's all what you make of it.

[superimposed]

Dave the Seagull wrote...

superimposed wrote...

lawl. Guy or girl, they're coding and pixels. For all the girls drooling over Thane, it's not Thane you like, it's the writer.

Oh cool! One of the writers is a frog man from space!

Or possibly a slightly over-weight middle-aged man.

/archetype

[Vaenier]

HaloKT wrote...

1.) Tali. [snip] For me, Tali is just about the perfect girl. Of course, others might have adifferent view on it.

I agree completely. I really wish she was a femShep LI.

6.) Garrus... the Turian vigilante. Basically Batman in space.

Note that I'm all for having same sex romances (for obvious reasons), but I personally find the Femshep romances to be far more interesting overall than the Maleshep romances.

This is true. Maybe they should just open up the playing field and let any be romanced by anyone.

[Pannamaslo]

GodWood wrote...

Garrus and Thane are excellent romances, don't make "FemShep's options suck" remarks just because you don't get to see girl on girl.

THIS

Garrus and Thane are well though and well wirtten. Garrus is no more whiney kid from ME 1. I feel they're much better than one straigh female option in the ME 1. I don't feel that my femShep is romantically disadvantaged at all. And argument that romances are bad, becasue there is no girl on girl is just...<_<

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 06 mars 2010 - 01:31 .

[JediMB]

<-- Arguably straight male

My first ME2 Shepard was female. She ended up with Kelly, although I wish I'd played the game differently and pursued Thane, since I like him and think he'd be an interesting romance. (Garrus and Jacob, not so much.)

My second ME2 Shepard is male. He's pursuing Jack, and I've really enjoyed it so far. I don't really like playing MaleShep, but I'm still looking forward to doing it twice more for the romances with Tali and Miranda.


Now, my favorite pairing in ME1 was FemShep and Liara. I like playing as female characters, and I also prefer pursuing romances with female characters... plus Liara was the most pleasant person of all three love interests in ME1.

Yet I wish I'd pursued Thane in ME2 rather than gotten together with Kelly. Kelly is a pleasant enough character, but she's really not interesting at all... and I can say the exact same thing about Jacob. There are no doubt a dozen ways to make Jacob a more interesting character and love interest, and none of them involve him not being black, unlike what some people suggest. As for Garrus... I don't know, I just can't imagine that happening.

Modifié par JediMB, 06 mars 2010 - 01:28 .

[superimposed]

Man.. if that B was a D, you'd have one of the coolest forum names ever.

[Llandaryn]

superimposed wrote...

lawl. Guy or girl, they're coding and pixels. For all the girls drooling over Thane, it's not Thane you like, it's the writer.

Not really. Writers create a whole range of characters. The same writer who did Jacob might have done Thane, but just because somebody dislikes Jacob doesn't mean they dislike the writer, just that they dislike the way the character has been written. Some characters are designed to be bad (as in evil) and are supposed to evoke revulsion in the reader; again, it's not the writer that repels the reader, but the character.

[InvaderErl]

Lightice_av wrote...

I don't think a lot of the guys care about their personality or how deep the romance goes and probably some of the women don't care either.

I'm a guy and I damn well care more about the characters' personalities than their assets (so to speak). If I want porn, I watch porn. Mass Effect's strength is good, strong characters who manage to evoke genuine emotional responses from the player. I much rather get dozen more lines of well written dialogue for a romance subplot than a pointless titillation scene (I am looking at you Kelly!).

QFT.

[Srau]

Having to choose between a skizophren birdman, dying lizardman and a boring human ... great.

Then we have the 2 interesting ones but they either burn your brain or tell you that you are just a friend.

Yup femshep LI aren't that great.

[JediMB]

superimposed wrote...

Man.. if that B was a D, you'd have one of the coolest forum names ever.

Mine? Then I'd have to change my name to fit it, and "Derntson" would be a pretty dumb last name.

[superimposed]

Yeah, but you'd still be Jedi M.D.