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[Wynne]

Luc0s wrote...

Why are always the femshep players who are moaning about the LI's, while the maleshep LI's are not much better/ just as bad. Yet you don't see us maleshep players creating lots of topics about the crappy LI's.

romance in ME never was something really interesting and more like a gimmick to me. We should care so much about it and just play the game for all it's awesomeness it has to offer.

If the MaleShep LIs were actually just as bad, you WOULD get people complaining. They're not.

More content. Better choices. Wider variety. More directions for the relationship to go, in the case of Jack. And if you hate them all, you can keep your ME1 LI intact and watch Kelly dance. Overall, the MaleShep players (who are heterosexual, mind you) have it pretty good. That's may well be a major part of the reason why you don't care.

Not to mention that if anything, the FemShep players should have more romance or an equal amount, certainly not less, since romance is supposedly more likely to draw female players in than male players. Yet, what do you have? Fling or Romance Jack, Fling Miranda, and Romance Tali. We've got F*** buddy Jacob, slightly more emotional F*** buddy Garrus which for some reason focuses more on awkward diagram jokes and gun calibration than what Shepard and Garrus have been through together like the sweetness of the Tali romance, and Romance Thane, who is dying and talks mostly about his perfect dead wife and abandoned kid. Recap: Two romances, three flings available for heterosexual MaleShep. Two flings, one romance for a heterosexual FemShep. Not quite as equal as it first seemed.

So because romance was a gimmick to you, everyone else should just worship everything else about the game and pretend that romance can't be an emotionally rewarding segment of a great story? Do you hear your own bs yet?

Luc0s wrote...

Calsong wrote...
As a butch soldier Shepard I would think there's a 50/50 chance she might be lesbian but there's not even an option for it!!

Prejudiced stereotype, anyone?

Why
the f- should a female soldier (possibly) be lesbian? Because they act
masculine (sometimes)? Because your dirty fantasies tell you they are?

Female soldiers are not more likely to be a lesbian than any other woman.

Damn straight. This I can agree with. Most of the lesbians I know are smack dab in the middle between butch and lipstick--in other words, normal people.

[mopotter]

Lightice_av wrote...

I don't think a lot of the guys care about their personality or how deep the romance goes and probably some of the women don't care either.

I'm a guy and I damn well care more about the characters' personalities than their assets (so to speak). If I want porn, I watch porn. Mass Effect's strength is good, strong characters who manage to evoke genuine emotional responses from the player. I much rather get dozen more lines of well written dialogue for a romance subplot than a pointless titillation scene (I am looking at you Kelly!).

I said a lot, not all, and Yes I could be wrong.  Sure wouldn't be the first time.  I just notice those more than the others.

I would also rather have more well written dialogue <sigh>

[The Angry One]

Dialog? No, what we need is more calibrations.

[TheTrooper1138]

Srau wrote...

Having to choose between a skizophren birdman, dying lizardman and a boring human ... great.
Then we have the 2 interesting ones but they either burn your brain or tell you that you are just a friend.
Yup femshep LI aren't that great.

this.

GodWood wrote...

Garrus and Thane are excellent romances, don't make "FemShep's options suck" remarks just because you don't get to see girl on girl.

no, because of the quote above^^

Luc0s wrote...

Why are always the femshep players who are moaning about the LI's, while the maleshep LI's are not much better/ just as bad. Yet you don't see us maleshep players creating lots of topics about the crappy LI's.

at least MaleShep has two humans and one almost Human to choose from and not just one very boring human, plus two strange aliens... Seriously, Garrus might even be an interesting LI, but I can't see my Femshep do him... how would that work? And Thane... His gills look so.. urgh.. no, just no, I mean I'm a straight guy anyways, but I can't even roleplay so hard that any Femshep I play would "like" him... 

[Neria Rose]

Calsong wrote...

Anyone else feeling Female Shepards are romantically disadvantaged? 

Nope. I got exactly what I wanted <3.

[Neria Rose]

TheTrooper1138 wrote...
And Thane... His gills look so.. urgh.. no, just no, I mean I'm a straight guy anyways, but I can't even roleplay so hard that any Femshep I play would "like" him... 

Good thing he was made to appeal to women, then, and not males playing FemSheps to fulfill their f/f fantasies. He certainly appeals to me.

[TheTrooper1138]

Neria Rose wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...
And Thane... His gills look so.. urgh.. no, just no, I mean I'm a straight guy anyways, but I can't even roleplay so hard that any Femshep I play would "like" him... 

Good thing he was made to appeal to women, then, and not males playing FemSheps to fulfill their f/f fantasies. He certainly appeals to me.

really? You would do a fishman? Urgh... 

[superimposed]

Well, let's assume I'm more than capable of seeing both sides of the coin.



He's still a wanker.

[Nozybidaj]

Wynne wrote...


If the MaleShep LIs were actually just as bad, you WOULD get people complaining. They're not.

/shrug Point of view I suppose.  I thought they were.

[GodWood]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Wynne wrote...


If the MaleShep LIs were actually just as bad, you WOULD get people complaining. They're not.

/shrug Point of view I suppose.  I thought they were.

And I thought they were much better written then Liara's.

[Nozybidaj]

GodWood wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Wynne wrote...


If the MaleShep LIs were actually just as bad, you WOULD get people complaining. They're not.

/shrug Point of view I suppose.  I thought they were.

And I thought they were much better written then Liara's.

Like I said point of view.  Doesn't make you right.

[HaloKT]

GodWood wrote...
]-sigh-
I really dislike when people say Jack is a whiney angsty, teenage emo.
Its as if they completely ignore the fact that since childhood she was locked in a cell with absolutely no human interaction, was only brought out to be tortured, experimented on or drugged and forced to kill other children, then upon leaving the facility she was used and abused by multiple pirate/slaver/cult gangs and gang raped.

I think shes entitled to be a little pissed off.
EDIT: from the Jack fan thread, a picture of Jack's surgical scars from childhood.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not ven going to try and say that she ahsn't been subjected to horrible things. But then again, a lot of crewmates have been through pretty horrifying stuff. It's all about being able to deal with it, or in this case, wanting to deal with it.

Take Tali for example. The creation of the Geth race (and the subsequent reaction of the Quarians) has not only killed billions of Quarians, but also driven them off their homeworld, the only world they can live on without protection suits. And if that weren't enough, Quarians have been pretty much declared outlaws and outcasts by the council. Take Tali to the Citadel in ME1. Just see her reactions to everything there. Those people have been through a lot. And they've been punished by the rest of the galaxy even more. Still, Tali is able to actually approach Legion and work together with him, even going so far as to share data with him, making you hope there is a chance that in ME3 Geth and Quarians might even be able to at least have a truce.

There is no personal development on Jack's part. You recruit her and she's a violent, self-hating b*tch. You go through her loyalty mission and she's still the same emo b*tch she was before. You really warm up to her and she sends you away, still hating everyone. She doesn't evolve. Because she doesn't want to. She enjoys being the victim. This is so apparent in her loyalty mission where she ignores any evidence that the other kids were subjected to even worse treatment than she was. She will have none of that. She is the victim, damnit!
And that's why I say her character is ultimately boring. She just stays the same victim that she was from the very start, without ever wanting to make the transition from victim to a stronger personality.

Vaenier wrote

This is true. Maybe they should just open up the playing field and let any be romanced by anyone.

I wouldn't actually want that. Although I would enjoy the freedom of ebing able to romance everyone, sometimes you just have to accept that people are straight and lthough they like you, they do not have any interest in taking it further. Like my choice to have Garrus as my "BFF" instead of lover. Sometimes you just like having people you love around without ever feeling the need to exchange bodily fluids.
Taking Dragon Age as an example here, if you're gay you can romance either Lelianna or Zevran. If you're anything like me, you would've instantly screwed Morrigan the very moment you had a chance for it. That chance never arose and I came to accept that it just isn't possible. Granted, Lelianna is such a sweetheart that I can't help but romance her... I kind of miss that in ME to be honest. Even in ME1 the Liara romance felt sort of forced upon me, with her creepy fascination over Shepard and what have you.

Anyway, to stop digressing:
In ME2 there really aren't a lot of interesting female romances around. It's rather telling that I rate Kelly as the second most interesting option after Tali. She might just be a normal everyday girl, but at least she doesn't feel the need to whine endlessly about her not being as perfect as she should be. Or how everyone is sooo mean to her that she has no choice but be mean as well. God, after writing all of this I almost feel bad for Malesheps for their lacklustre romance options
And digressed again. Anayway. If BioWare just enabled one romance option for me and it wouldn't be Tali, I'd still be stuck with Kelly, because the other two options are just horrible.

[superimposed]

Well, actually, a lot of them haven't been through horrible stuff, nothing even remotely close to being raised from childhood to be an unstoppable killing machine.

[iNixiRir]

Neria Rose wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...
And Thane... His gills look so.. urgh.. no, just no, I mean I'm a straight guy anyways, but I can't even roleplay so hard that any Femshep I play would "like" him... 

Good thing he was made to appeal to women, then, and not males playing FemSheps to fulfill their f/f fantasies. He certainly appeals to me.

I'm a guy and straight, but I think Thane looks awesome. And his (back)story only enhances this(always loved the sneaky assassin stuff - Splinter Cell/Assassin's Creed etc).

[superimposed]

Oh, Thane's just a ******.



"I pray for myself because it's evil that I kill people for money... who's my next target?"

[Neria Rose]

TheTrooper1138 wrote...
really? You would do a fishman? Urgh... 

Good thing, also, that he's lizard-like. Slime isn't my thing. And hell yeah, I'd do him and Garrus.

[Llandaryn]

superimposed wrote...

Well, actually, a lot of them haven't been through horrible stuff, nothing even remotely close to being raised from childhood to be an unstoppable killing machine.

What he said.

If a bunch of my ancestors had been killed, and I was forced to wander the galaxy in a nomadic lifestyle, I might be a bit miffed. But quarians always have each other, and they rarely leave the migrant fleet. Jack, on the other hand, has been experimented on and tortured and betrayed, shown nothing but violence and never been cared for or accepted anywhere.

How you can compare Tali and Jack is just beyond me. I mean, yeah, Tali's father might have been a bit distant, but at least she had one.

[TheTrooper1138]

HaloKT wrote...


Don't get me wrong, I'm not ven going to try and say that she ahsn't been subjected to horrible things. But then again, a lot of crewmates have been through pretty horrifying stuff. It's all about being able to deal with it, or in this case, wanting to deal with it.

Take Tali for example. The creation of the Geth race (and the subsequent reaction of the Quarians) has not only killed billions of Quarians, but also driven them off their homeworld, the only world they can live on without protection suits. And if that weren't enough, Quarians have been pretty much declared outlaws and outcasts by the council. Take Tali to the Citadel in ME1. Just see her reactions to everything there. Those people have been through a lot. And they've been punished by the rest of the galaxy even more. Still, Tali is able to actually approach Legion and work together with him, even going so far as to share data with him, making you hope there is a chance that in ME3 Geth and Quarians might even be able to at least have a truce.

so basically what you're saying is, coming from a people which have had some bad times, but at least being raised by a more or less normal family and growing up normally is the same as being taken as a child, being experimented upon, drugged, having to fight other children to the death under drugs that make you enjoy the killing, then after escapng being used by everyone you meet, just to be put in prison again... yeah, seriously, what reason could Jack probably have to be an emotional wreck? :innocent: 

Jack is an awesome character and the only flaw is that they did not make her romancable for Femshep EVEN THOUGH she clearly hints on being bi... if she hadn't done that, OK, but she does, so not making her an F/F romance sucks... same goes for Tali BTW, who afaik even still has some F/F romance lines in the game...

iNixiRir wrote...

I'm a guy and straight, but I think Thane looks awesome. And his (back)story only enhances this(always loved the sneaky assassin stuff - Splinter Cell/Assassin's Creed etc).

the dead wife story was old, even before they did it on Carth, so this time it's just oooooooooold. 

superimposed wrote...

Well, actually, a lot of them haven't been through horrible stuff, nothing even remotely close to being raised from childhood to be an unstoppable killing machine.

exactly.

[TheTrooper1138]

Neria Rose wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...
really? You would do a fishman? Urgh... 

Good thing, also, that he's lizard-like. Slime isn't my thing. And hell yeah, I'd do him and Garrus.

Well, your choice, but don't *ahem* ingest... 

Llandaryn wrote...

superimposed wrote...

Well, actually, a lot of them haven't been through horrible stuff, nothing even remotely close to being raised from childhood to be an unstoppable killing machine.

What he said.

If a bunch of my ancestors had been killed, and I was forced to wander the galaxy in a nomadic lifestyle, I might be a bit miffed. But quarians always have each other, and they rarely leave the migrant fleet. Jack, on the other hand, has been experimented on and tortured and betrayed, shown nothing but violence and never been cared for or accepted anywhere.

How you can compare Tali and Jack is just beyond me. I mean, yeah, Tali's father might have been a bit distant, but at least she had one.

exactly, this.

[iNixiRir]

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

iNixiRir wrote...

I'm a guy and straight, but I think Thane looks awesome. And his (back)story only enhances this(always loved the sneaky assassin stuff - Splinter Cell/Assassin's Creed etc).

the dead wife story was old, even before they did it on Carth, so this time it's just oooooooooold. 

So? Old stories always suck?
I liked his background, and not only the death wife part. I also liked his style.

[The Angry One]

Thane's family background is not so much old as copy-pasted from every other similar background, like Carth's.



Dead wife? Check.

Wife killed due to his enemies? Check.

Estranged from son? Check.

Brought together to talk with son who's gotten himself into a whole world of trouble? Check.

[Zemore]

a bigger question that needs to be asked How many "Fem sheps" out there are actually guys playing them ... thats when it just gets strange for me .. unless they are gay and want a guy

[Onyx Jaguar]

Zemore wrote...

a bigger question that needs to be asked How many "Fem sheps" out there are actually guys playing them ... thats when it just gets strange for me .. unless they are gay and want a guy

I banged Kaiden once

With my femshep I mean

But I can't remember which save it was and it is driving me crazy

[GodWood]

HaloKT wrote...

GodWood wrote...

-sigh-

I really dislike when people say Jack is a whiney angsty, teenage emo.

Its as if they completely ignore the fact that since childhood she was locked in a cell with absolutely no human interaction, was only brought out to be tortured, experimented on or drugged and forced to kill other children, then upon leaving the facility she was used and abused by multiple pirate/slaver/cult gangs and gang raped.



I think shes entitled to be a little pissed off.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not ven going to try and say that she ahsn't been subjected to horrible things. But then again, a lot of crewmates have been through pretty horrifying stuff. It's all about being able to deal with it, or in this case, wanting to deal with it.



Take Tali for example. The creation of the Geth race (and the subsequent reaction of the Quarians) has not only killed billions of Quarians, but also driven them off their homeworld, the only world they can live on without protection suits. And if that weren't enough, Quarians have been pretty much declared outlaws and outcasts by the council. Take Tali to the Citadel in ME1. Just see her reactions to everything there. Those people have been through a lot. And they've been punished by the rest of the galaxy even more. Still, Tali is able to actually approach Legion and work together with him, even going so far as to share data with him, making you hope there is a chance that in ME3 Geth and Quarians might even be able to at least have a truce.

Yes the quarian people suffered and yes their life is harder then other species, however Tali in no way has had a particularly tough childhood compared to Jack (or even other quarians), she was an admirals daughter, thus had an easier life than most, she had a family, friends, grew up in a stable environment and had a place to call home, sure she had daddy issues (who the **** doesn't) but in reality her life was decent and in no way psycologically harmful.

Jack however, as a child, never had a family, never had any friends, was mutilated and tortured, drugged and forced to kill (otherwise she'd be beaten), this itself is enough to scar a person for life but then theres her life after the facility, she was used as nothing more then a weapon by various gangs/cults/slavers captured and put into prison multiple times and like I said before gang raped (somethjing by itself that can **** a person up for life).

And basically you think because Tali got over her daddy issues, Jack should just be able to get over an entire life filled with abuse, misery and trauma in a few talks.

There is no personal development on Jack's part. You recruit her and she's a violent, self-hating b*tch. You go through her loyalty mission and she's still the same emo b*tch she was before. You really warm up to her and she sends you away, still hating everyone. She doesn't evolve. Because she doesn't want to. She enjoys being the victim. This is so apparent in her loyalty mission where she ignores any evidence that the other kids were subjected to even worse treatment than she was. She will have none of that. She is the victim, damnit!

And that's why I say her character is ultimately boring. She just stays the same victim that she was from the very start, without ever wanting to make the transition from victim to a stronger personality.

Well guess what?

She is a victim! (as explained above)

If you really want to see her emotional side properly romance her.

[iNixiRir]

Zemore wrote...

a bigger question that needs to be asked How many "Fem sheps" out there are actually guys playing them ... thats when it just gets strange for me .. unless they are gay and want a guy

I have 3 male shepards and 3 female ones. I'd like to get the most I can out of this game. I'm not gay and if it's strange for you that I also play femsheps, than that's really your problem. 
*kough* luckily I'm not so closeminded as some *kough*