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[Srau]

Stop it with "males playing femshep wanting f/f for fantasy" counter agrument.

Not everyone care about this.

And if you have more moaning concerning femshep it is most likely because of this : http://social.biowar...168/polls/2829/



P.S : Jacob is soooo dull he makes Kaidan and Ashley interesting in comparison.

[superimposed]

*shrug*

I think they should remove the romance altogether. Bring back the Copper Coronet.

[HaloKT]

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

so basically what you're saying is, coming from a people which have had some bad times, but at least being raised by a more or less normal family and growing up normally is the same as being taken as a child, being experimented upon, drugged, having to fight other children to the death under drugs that make you enjoy the killing, then after escapng being used by everyone you meet, just to be put in prison again... yeah, seriously, what reason could Jack probably have to be an emotional wreck? :innocent:

No, it's of course not the same. But Tali's had a lot to go through as well. Just look at the reactions people have towards Quarians everywhere. Not going to Godwin this here, but this is basically the gist of it.

Jack is an awesome character and the only flaw is that they did not make her romancable for Femshep EVEN THOUGH she clearly hints on being bi... if she hadn't done that, OK, but she does, so not making her an F/F romance sucks... same goes for Tali BTW, who afaik even still has some F/F romance lines in the game...

I don't see the awesome anywhere in Jack. And Jack isn't bi. Having one sexual encounter involving another woman in a threesome doesn't make you bi. And from what I gather, she was pretty much coerced into it without her free will anyway.

superimposed wrote...

Well, actually, a lot of them haven't been through horrible stuff, nothing even remotely close to being raised from childhood to be an unstoppable killing machine.

exactly.

It's pretty obvious it isn't the same deal. However, I just tried to make a point that other - more interesting, less shallow - characters at least try to overcome their emotional baggage and come out a stronger person. I don't blame Jack for being a victim. That's horrible and I wouldn't wish that upon anyone. However, I do blame Jack (read: the wrtiters responsible) for not even wanting to overcome her past. Probably because that is her focal point in getting the attention she so desperately craves.
But then again, choice of partner is highly subjective. I'm simply not the replacement mother type *shrugs*

Modifié par HaloKT, 06 mars 2010 - 03:17 .

[Zemore]

iNixiRir wrote...

Zemore wrote...

a bigger question that needs to be asked How many "Fem sheps" out there are actually guys playing them ... thats when it just gets strange for me .. unless they are gay and want a guy

I have 3 male shepards and 3 female ones. I'd like to get the most I can out of this game. I'm not gay and if it's strange for you that I also play femsheps, than that's really your problem. 
*kough* luckily I'm not so closeminded as some *kough*

lol am i too be ashamed that i dont want to have Pretend sex with men? if that makes me closed minded im very fine with that .  Also i said it was strange for me so no **** its my problem i dont force people to think my way differeciation is how things evolve and change.
so if you want to call somone closed minded because thier opinion is that certain things feel odd for them or uncomfotable i think your the closed minded one

Modifié par Zemore, 06 mars 2010 - 03:31 .

[superimposed]

I think you should be ashamed at all that you consider the romances a means to pretend sex.



There's already a word for pretend sex, it begins with M.

[Llandaryn]

superimposed wrote...

There's already a word for pretend sex, it begins with M.

Mordin?

He'd be sad to hear you say it.

[Zemore]

superimposed wrote...

I think you should be ashamed at all that you consider the romances a means to pretend sex.

There's already a word for pretend sex, it begins with M.

what exactly do all the romances lead to in mass effect 2 either u say no last minute or pretend sex ensues as for the M word if you do the M word while the pretend sex is goin on that makes it even worse

[Onyx Jaguar]

Llandaryn wrote...

superimposed wrote...

There's already a word for pretend sex, it begins with M.

Mordin?

He'd be sad to hear you say it.

Well its his fault for letting me down!

[Gavinthelocust]

I romanced Jacob on my first femshep play, romance scene was pretty good just had to ignore the teeth.



Garrus romance is more of a funny one seeing as he is about as smooth as sandpaper but likable.



Thane is probably the most romantic and sad ones since the other two are pretty much after dat ass.



Other than lacking lesbians(excluding kelly) I don't see a disadvantage at all.

[Tooneyman]

Give her Joker! Give her the engineering irish guy! Give her UMMMM! Anderson, Give her shiala! MAke Tali a lesbian. Umm.. Thane is actually cool. Give her TIM! Give her, ummm..hold on I'm thinking. The guy in the kitchen no one seems to care about! Give her Conrad! Give her Udina! Give her a better Garrus romance! Give her Wrex in a weird way. Give her. Sorry I'm lost after all those other options!

[jojon2se]

HaloKT wrote...
It's pretty obvious it isn't the same deal. However, I just tried to make a point that other - more interesting, less shallow - characters at least try to overcome their emotional baggage and come out a stronger person. I don't blame Jack for being a victim. That's horrible and I wouldn't wish that upon anyone. However, I do blame Jack (read: the wrtiters responsible) for not even wanting to overcome her past. Probably because that is her focal point in getting the attention she so desperately craves.
But then again, choice of partner is highly subjective. I'm simply not the replacement mother type *shrugs*

There is some stuff in Jack's loyalty mission, that pretty much turns a number of fundamentals, that have laid the groundwork for her psyche, on their heads. That is going to take some time to digest and, just as in physics; the stronger the force of the emotional impact, the stronger the immediate reactive resistance to it - there's your lack of wanting. Shepard's posse is certainly not alack for other characters in denial.
You don't change people overnight, outside of Hollywood storytelling, which admittedly ME is, especially when your dealing with a lifetime-so-far of bitterness and mistrust, borne out of exploitation and betrayal - soon you get selective in your perception and unconciously opts to see anything as confirmation for your dim world view.
Male Shepard gets to vent the pressure cooker a little bit, but that's just the beginning of a long and arduous journey, which will likely never end. Somebody is going to have much patience if this broken one is ever going to learn to trust another.

One might argue that Jack should really be less fit for the mission, following her loyalty mission. Before she was just a psycho with a grudge - after, she's in emotional turmoil.

[jlb524]

HaloKT wrote...

It's pretty obvious it isn't the same deal. However, I just tried to make a point that other - more interesting, less shallow - characters at least try to overcome their emotional baggage and come out a stronger person. I don't blame Jack for being a victim. That's horrible and I wouldn't wish that upon anyone. However, I do blame Jack (read: the wrtiters responsible) for not even wanting to overcome her past. Probably because that is her focal point in getting the attention she so desperately craves.
But then again, choice of partner is highly subjective. I'm simply not the replacement mother type *shrugs*

Jack doesn't want attention from Shepard, she wants the Commander to leave her alone.  I think that's quite obvious.  Besides, she does try to overcome her past and get over the baggage she's still carrying around.  This was the whole point of her loyalty mission.  It seems to me that Jack does come out a stronger person after traveling to her childhood prision and facing it over again.  Since this whole mission was her idea, it would appear she does want to overcome her past.


ON TOPIC:  My FemSheps are surely romantically disadvantaged.  No Liara  and the only decent female romance option (Jack) is DudeShep exclusive.   None of them like the dudes.

Modifié par jlb524, 06 mars 2010 - 04:23 .

[Mooner911]

In support of ME LI sub-plots: Emotional attachment is a fundamental human truth. Without it, humans would be classified as a psychopathic species destined for extermination and/or extinction. I'd rather be human than krogan.

In support of ME2 LI sub-plots: Personally, I find monogamy natural. ME1 was built to allow full development of a LI sub-plot. If ME2 LI choices and development are found to be unsatisfactory, either return to ME1 or understand that ME2 was not meant to provide a full-blown romance.

[Dijohn17]

Lightice_av wrote...

I don't think a lot of the guys care about their personality or how deep the romance goes and probably some of the women don't care either.

I'm a guy and I damn well care more about the characters' personalities than their assets (so to speak). If I want porn, I watch porn. Mass Effect's strength is good, strong characters who manage to evoke genuine emotional responses from the player. I much rather get dozen more lines of well written dialogue for a romance subplot than a pointless titillation scene (I am looking at you Kelly!).

LOL that is a very good point to put in your argument. I mean I bought the game for the story and gameplay so really I could care less if you have 38DD ****** and a nice ass(not pointing to anyone in particulat), if you have a nice personality and good background story I would romance you.

[Exile Isan]

Calsong wrote...
Anyone else feeling Female Shepards are romantically disadvantaged? 

Heck no. I liked Thane's romance, and I loved Garrus' romance. Jacob not so much, but that has more to do with his personality than anything else. That and he considers Shepard second best. I have no problem romancing "aliens" as, hey, they're people too.

Garrus is so cute and awkward, but Shep's the only good thing he's really got going in his life and he doesn't want to screw it up so that explains the awkwardness. That and he's never even considered "interspecies intercourse" as he puts it. Still, I think the awkwardness comes more from the former rather than the latter.

Thane's romance is just too depressing. I mean he finally was starting to put his life in perspective because he's dying and Shep comes in a screws it all up. *sigh* I feel like such a jerk when I romance him.

[MarginalBeast]

Wynne wrote...
Not to mention that if anything, the FemShep players should have more romance or an equal amount, certainly not less, since romance is supposedly more likely to draw female players in than male players. Yet, what do you have? Fling or Romance Jack, Fling Miranda, and Romance Tali. We've got F*** buddy Jacob, slightly more emotional F*** buddy Garrus which for some reason focuses more on awkward diagram jokes and gun calibration than what Shepard and Garrus have been through together like the sweetness of the Tali romance, and Romance Thane, who is dying and talks mostly about his perfect dead wife and abandoned kid. Recap: Two romances, three flings available for heterosexual MaleShep. Two flings, one romance for a heterosexual FemShep. Not quite as equal as it first seemed.

...What? Garrus and Jacob are not flings. I don't even like Jacob's romance, at ALL, but at least I can acknowledge that much. I'd say Miranda isn't really a fling either. Male Shepards can heavily imply that it is more than that when they romance her--or they can say they just want to get into her pants. But at least they have an choice.

Instead of complaining that the romances in the game aren't "equal", maybe you just need to re-watch them all again. And if you compare all of the final romance scenes, the amount of "romance" is spread evenly. Miranda and Jacob are the sexual ones (though that does NOT mean the entire thing is just a fling), whereas the rest all have cute/romantic final scenes.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 06 mars 2010 - 05:00 .

[Daewan]

In defense of the ME2 LI sub-plots: When facing death, humans instinctively seek comfort and companionship. Most Earth mammals do as well. Alien mammals (warm blooded vertebrates) apparently feel the same way. As Garrus puts it, why the hell not?

In complaint of the ME2 LI sub-plots: The sole human available was a) cheesy and romantically more suited to Miranda. The human females were unjustifiably straight, and that made no sense to me. Jack's response was completely fake and out of character (wait, she develops standards NOW?). Miranda and Tali were shut down with lack of dialog after completely obvious openings and spending two years obsessing over femShep (really? not even a little curious? not even for the hero of the freaking galaxy?). The only one that made sense was Samara, and at least that was tastefully done. Still unfair though.

My Paragon stayed loyal, my Renegade threw Kaidan over and went after Garrus who is now a Best Friend with Benefits. It was actually more satisfying than I thought it would be. The final line of Garrus's love scene was actually very nice. The initial awkwardness was very realistic, but it was clear that he really has feelings for femShep. It was cute.

I was actually happy not to have ME1 style LI's again, because that would have cheapened the original relationship for me.

At any rate, at least the ME2 LI sparked discussion, which proves that it did work, in a way.

[Soma Holiday]

superimposed wrote...

The girls are in to Thane because he's all dying and romanticising and stuff.
They like it.

I think the fact that he's dying is the least interesting aspect of his character.  He just seems mature, reserved, and sexy as hell...I think the dying is the only thing really cliched about him.

we girls are just as shallow as boys...I SHOULD like Garrus because he's my favorite character, and he's sweet, and just as adorable as Thane...but he's too awkward, so...thane. yup. sexy assasin man.  I don't know any girl who wouldn't swoon watching him dance around punching people in the throat with his elbows...

that's just me??  oh ok.  

[LOLandStuff]

My Shepard romanced Garrus because they've been through a lot together and he doesn't betray her. Besides, there is more between them than "blowing off steam". I also think they have many things in common.
Jacob...Miranda needs a better man than him. i just can't accept the fact that Miranda is better than Shepard to have him latter creep in her quarters and spout lousy words such as the "PRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZZZZZZE". Think about it women!
I liked Thane. Before I finished Garrus' loyalty mission and knew he was LI, I went for Thane. But then he called Shepard Siha and I wondered what that meant, then I found out he nicknamed her after his dead wife so I had to stop. I can't get over the fact that he sees in Shepard the same thing he saw in his wife. It's like he found a subsitute.
I don't think femShepard is at any disadvantage. I like how they did the romances, besides Jacob which is like bad porn.

Modifié par LOLandStuff, 06 mars 2010 - 05:37 .

[Collider]

Daewan wrote...
The human females were unjustifiably straight, and that made no sense to me. Jack's response was completely fake and out of character (wait, she develops standards NOW?). Miranda and Tali were shut down with lack of dialog after completely obvious openings and spending two years obsessing over femShep (really? not even a little curious? not even for the hero of the freaking galaxy?).

That's just dumb reasoning. Sexuality is more complicated than "Oh, this person should be heterosexual/bisexual/homosexual because that's what they seem to be :whistle:"

Modifié par Collider, 06 mars 2010 - 05:46 .

[Brass_Buckles]

I really don't see how female Shepards are disadvantaged romantically. We get Garrus and Thane (okay, so he's kind of emo and Shepard's replacing his dead wife, AND he's dying, but Thane is still a reasonably cool character. Except when he's doing his purple prose flashbacks. Please no.). Garrus is, meanwhile, a good sort, and his dialogue all along implies that even if Shepard isn't looking for more, he is hoping for more than just "blowing off steam" with her. Hence why he's so nervous (well, add to that the fact that he's concerned about not being the same species). Just look how crushed he gets when you send him away in that final scene...

Yeah, we don't get a great human option in ME2, but I suspect the devs wanted us all to be loyal and stick to Kaidan. (Instead, I'm re-playing ME1 to NOT romance him.)

Modifié par Brass_Buckles, 06 mars 2010 - 05:46 .

[Soma Holiday]

LOLandStuff wrote...

My Shepard romanced Garrus because they've been through a lot together and he doesn't betray her. Besides, there is more between them than "blowing off steam". I also think they have many things in common.
Jacob...Miranda needs a better man than him. i just can't accept the fact that Miranda is better than Shepard to have him latter creep in her quarters and spout lousy words such as the "PRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZZZZZZE". Think about it women!
I liked Thane. Before I finished Garrus' loyalty mission and knew he was LI, I went for Thane. But then he called Shepard Siha and I wondered what that meant, then I found out he nicknamed her after his dead wife so I had to stop. I can't get over the fact that he sees in Shepard the same thing he saw in his wife. It's like he found a subsitute.
I don't think femShepard is at any disadvantage. I like how they did the romances, besides Jacob which is like bad porn.

See this is super interesting in terms of tastes because I thought the Siha part was beyond romantic.  I don't really think it was a specific nickname for his wife, it's more like calling you a Goddess, and he just happened to see the same thing in his wife.  If he was just like "well I called my wife pooky and I think I'll call you Pooky too" then it would be creepy. haha

I will admit that on his own I think Thane stands up better as a character without Shepard.  I mean his tragic hero story is quite beautiful especially with his dying, but I'm selfish I guess and now he doesn't want to die...oh well. 

I really really wanted to romance Garrus on my current playthrough, but at times it felt perfect and then it felt weird, so I didn't...yeah, Jacob is pretty obnoxious.  I just can't ignore that jawline...

[superimposed]

Soma Holiday wrote...

superimposed wrote...

The girls are in to Thane because he's all dying and romanticising and stuff.
They like it.

I think the fact that he's dying is the least interesting aspect of his character.  He just seems mature, reserved, and sexy as hell...I think the dying is the only thing really cliched about him.

we girls are just as shallow as boys...I SHOULD like Garrus because he's my favorite character, and he's sweet, and just as adorable as Thane...but he's too awkward, so...thane. yup. sexy assasin man.  I don't know any girl who wouldn't swoon watching him dance around punching people in the throat with his elbows...

that's just me??  oh ok.  

Wow... if girls get turned on by elbowing people in throats, I should pick fights more often.

[JamieCOTC]

My femShep typically remains loyal to Liara, but on my first playthrough I went for Garrus, but eventually broke it off.  It did feel cheap, which was actually quite satisfying from a RPG perspective.  On my most recent playthrough, I did end up w/ Garrus. I liked the awkwardness about it.  Besides, Mordin's sex talk on Garrus is the best one. 

I have to ask. Did Miranda tweak femShep to act like a ho every time she initiated a convo w/ Jacob?  I thought so.