superimposed wrote...
Wow... if girls get turned on by elbowing people in throats, I should pick fights more often.
yeah, it's totally just me. haha.
HaloKT wrote...
6.) Garrus... the Turian vigilante. Basically Batman in space. Now
Garrus is an LI I actually like. He's strong, got his own mind and
opinions (and cannot be talked out of assassinating Sidonis unlike
other crewmates who can be coerced into doing whatever you want them
to) and isn't afraid to admit that he's not perfect. Overall I think he
does have a very strong personality, and if I would romance any male
crewmate at all, it would easily be Garrus. Because he's just that
awesome
GodWood wrote...
-sigh-HaloKT wrote...
the female LIs besides Tali are kind of bland as well.
If we take a look at the romance options:
3.) Jack... well. I'm not into angst-filled teenage emos either. And that's basically what she is. She's just as insecure as Miranda, but instead ofgoing for the "perfect and infallible" facade, she puts on an "OMG I IZ DANGEROUS B*TCH!" facade. Unless Miranda, she can't even be befriended, making her character for Femsheps even more shallow and uninteresting than Miranda's, if such a thing is actually possible. If she's back in ME3 I really hope she finally grows up and leaves her angst behind. I'd rate her as the single most uninteresting LI available. Probably because I'm more into girls who are upfront about their problems and are willing to resolve them, rather than dwell on them.
I really dislike when people say Jack is a whiney angsty, teenage emo.
Its as if they completely ignore the fact that since childhood she was locked in a cell with absolutely no human interaction, was only brought out to be tortured, experimented on or drugged and forced to kill other children, then upon leaving the facility she was used and abused by multiple pirate/slaver/cult gangs and gang raped.
I think shes entitled to be a little pissed off.
EDIT: from the Jack fan thread, a picture of Jack's surgical scars from childhood.
Brass_Buckles wrote...
I really don't see how female Shepards are disadvantaged romantically. We get Garrus and Thane (okay, so he's kind of emo and Shepard's replacing his dead wife, AND he's dying, but Thane is still a reasonably cool character. Except when he's doing his purple prose flashbacks. Please no.). Garrus is, meanwhile, a good sort, and his dialogue all along implies that even if Shepard isn't looking for more, he is hoping for more than just "blowing off steam" with her. Hence why he's so nervous (well, add to that the fact that he's concerned about not being the same species). Just look how crushed he gets when you send him away in that final scene...
Yeah, we don't get a great human option in ME2, but I suspect the devs wanted us all to be loyal and stick to Kaidan. (Instead, I'm re-playing ME1 to NOT romance him.)
Exactly. It's a movie! I sort of expect movie storytelling and character progression. But that doesn't happen with Jack. She doesn't change one iota, hence she's flat and uninteresting. I guess we just have to agree to disagree on that one.jojon2se wrote...
HaloKT wrote...
It's pretty obvious it isn't the same deal. However, I just tried to make a point that other - more interesting, less shallow - characters at least try to overcome their emotional baggage and come out a stronger person. I don't blame Jack for being a victim. That's horrible and I wouldn't wish that upon anyone. However, I do blame Jack (read: the wrtiters responsible) for not even wanting to overcome her past. Probably because that is her focal point in getting the attention she so desperately craves.
But then again, choice of partner is highly subjective. I'm simply not the replacement mother type *shrugs*
There is some stuff in Jack's loyalty mission, that pretty much turns a number of fundamentals, that have laid the groundwork for her psyche, on their heads. That is going to take some time to digest and, just as in physics; the stronger the force of the emotional impact, the stronger the immediate reactive resistance to it - there's your lack of wanting. Shepard's posse is certainly not alack for other characters in denial.
You don't change people overnight, outside of Hollywood storytelling, which admittedly ME is, especially when your dealing with a lifetime-so-far of bitterness and mistrust, borne out of exploitation and betrayal - soon you get selective in your perception and unconciously opts to see anything as confirmation for your dim world view.
Male Shepard gets to vent the pressure cooker a little bit, but that's just the beginning of a long and arduous journey, which will likely never end. Somebody is going to have much patience if this broken one is ever going to learn to trust another.
One might argue that Jack should really be less fit for the mission, following her loyalty mission. Before she was just a psycho with a grudge - after, she's in emotional turmoil.
To be honest, I never explored that option. I just accepted that it was important for him. So yeah, I was wrong. You can talk him out of it... pity though. I'd have respected him more if you couldn't...CmdrFenix83 wrote...
HaloKT wrote...
6.) Garrus... the Turian vigilante. Basically Batman in space. Now
Garrus is an LI I actually like. He's strong, got his own mind and
opinions (and cannot be talked out of assassinating Sidonis unlike
other crewmates who can be coerced into doing whatever you want them
to) and isn't afraid to admit that he's not perfect. Overall I think he
does have a very strong personality, and if I would romance any male
crewmate at all, it would easily be Garrus. Because he's just that
awesome
Uh... Yes you can talk him out of it. You just remain in the way of his shot and keep talking, eventually Garrus understands that there's no reason to kill him because he's already suffering horribly for his crime.
superimposed wrote...
Wait... what?
What you're saying is, you want to turn jack in to Mary Sue?
*shudder*
HaloKT wrote...
To be honest, I never explored that option. I just accepted that it was important for him. So yeah, I was wrong. You can talk him out of it... pity though. I'd have respected him more if you couldn't...CmdrFenix83 wrote...
HaloKT wrote...
6.) Garrus... the Turian vigilante. Basically Batman in space. Now
Garrus is an LI I actually like. He's strong, got his own mind and
opinions (and cannot be talked out of assassinating Sidonis unlike
other crewmates who can be coerced into doing whatever you want them
to) and isn't afraid to admit that he's not perfect. Overall I think he
does have a very strong personality, and if I would romance any male
crewmate at all, it would easily be Garrus. Because he's just that
awesome
Uh... Yes you can talk him out of it. You just remain in the way of his shot and keep talking, eventually Garrus understands that there's no reason to kill him because he's already suffering horribly for his crime.
King_Asta wrote...
Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but Jacob tells either Shepard that "She (Miranda) deserves a better man than I" not an exact quote, but anyway, my point is who would hook up with him after he basically says hes not good enough for Miranda, but he wants to be with FemShep, meaning he thinks hes good enough for her.
King_Asta wrote...
Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but Jacob tells either Shepard that "She (Miranda) deserves a better man than I" not an exact quote, but anyway, my point is who would hook up with him after he basically says hes not good enough for Miranda, but he wants to be with FemShep, meaning he thinks hes good enough for her.
lol. Completely agree. the quirks of writing for a game with multiple plot paths. You want to have as few paths possible open at a time, but you also dont want it obvious you are using the same thing for two different choices. I would hate to be them. Dont even wnt to think what their design diagram looks like. [treasure map on acid?]The Angry One wrote...
King_Asta wrote...
Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but Jacob tells either Shepard that "She (Miranda) deserves a better man than I" not an exact quote, but anyway, my point is who would hook up with him after he basically says hes not good enough for Miranda, but he wants to be with FemShep, meaning he thinks hes good enough for her.
I'm guessing this was a faux pass by the writers.
The "needs a better man" line is obviously meant as an alpha male endorsement for ManShep, who can be Miranda's "better man", but is kept for FemShep, making Jacob look like an idiot and highly insulting to any FemShep naive enough to romance the bland porn star.
Calsong wrote...
Anyone else feeling Female Shepards are romantically disadvantaged?
Calsong wrote...
Anyone else feeling Female Shepards are romantically disadvantaged?
The Angry One wrote...
If you honestly think there aren't legitimate reasons to dislike Jacob as an LI and instead focus on his race, then you are the racist, not I.
Grunt and Thane.superimposed wrote...
Well, actually, a lot of them haven't been through horrible stuff, nothing even remotely close to being raised from childhood to be an unstoppable killing machine.
re: Thane and Garrus: You're shallow.Calsong wrote...
I'm playing through second time as a
female Shepard and find my options for a romance is Thane the lizard
man, the armor skinned Garrus, or Jacob, the most boring, and only
human man in the team! (except from Zaed who can't be romanced
precumably because he's old. He's a hell lot more interesting than
Jacob)
HaloKT wrote...
Oh and I do actually believe that she craves attention like no other crewmate. It's the whole point of her "oooh look at how badass I am!" thing.
Terraneaux wrote...
Still think that FemShepxMiranda should have happened, though.
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