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[Malastrail]

Romance options for ME 2 were so unappealing for my femshep that all my playthroughs were mission-centric. Jacob's was especially cringe-worthy with that forced flirty conversation.

It was so easy to stay faithful to my ME 1 LI.

Modifié par Malastrail, 07 mars 2010 - 01:43 .

[nikki191]

the love interests didnt grab me in ME2, flirted a bit with kelly but that was it, and had to quickly back out of an inadvertant finding out way too much about turian.

like the poster above me it did make it easier to stay loyal to my ME1 love interest of liara.

Modifié par nikki191, 07 mars 2010 - 01:43 .

[FiveThreeTen]

nikki191 wrote...

the love interests didnt grab me in ME2, flirted a bit with kelly but that was it, and had to quickly back out of an inadvertant finding out way too much about turian.

like the poster above me it did make it easier to stay loyal to my ME1 love interest of liara.

Same here . But if Zaeed had been available...I would have been tempted

Call me weird :innocent:

[Derumiel]

Malastrail wrote...

Romance options for ME 2 were so unappealing for my femshep  ...
It was so easy to stay faithful to my ME 1 LI.

Same here. It really wasn't difficult to stay faithful, imo, 'cause neither Jacob nor Thane or Garrus seemed like an "appropriate" LI. They are more the let's be friends type.

My Male Shep on the other hand had mor difficulties to stay faithful...

[Monochrome Wench]

Replying to first post, yes. Not enough human LIs for femshep.

[TheTrooper1138]

@Luc0s: so MaleShep gets two hot human LIs and a hot alien LI, while Femshep gets two weird aliens plus the most boring human imaginable who in addition looks like one of the most ridiculous persons on this planet... great, really... maybe you should try to get things in perspective and not just go by statistics...  

Also except Samara all of the females are romancable for MaleShep, while Femshep can't romance Mordin (now THAT would be fun!) or Zaeed, who even though he's old and has a nasty scar is a thousand times cooler than Jacob at least!

[Loki330]

Could be worse. You get get Ashley for a LI, as a maleshep. Currently doing my femshep runthrough, after beating it as maleshep for the first time, and I'm probably going to go with Kelly myself. Malegamer 'hurr durr lesbians r hawt' aside, Liara... eh, I don't really have much time for Asari. Don't know why.

Kaidan, despite his cynical/pessimistic attitude chiming with my own, never really clicked with me (and the way he doesn't even listen to you on Horizon [nevermind actually believing you or not] really irks me), Thane... needs a friend more than a lover, I feel; even when talking to him as Maleshep, the idea of a femshep hooking up with him made me feel a bit dirty and backstabbing to his wife. Garrus feels more like a brother/ BFF; it's not that I can't see it, the idea just feels weird.

Jacob's got a couple of problems which handicaps him, imo:
1. He's not that practical in combat. He's a vanguard, but he lacks the charge ability. I can see why he doesn't have it-he'd charge someone and you just know the AI would have him charge into the group with 4 boss characters and 12 minions, you just know it would. So he'll be keeping his distance in most cases, but be armed with short ranged weapons. If he had an assault rifle instead of a shotgun, or a sniper rifle, I'd bet he'd see alot more use.

2. Unlike Garrus (And Tali for the malesheps) he doesn't have a backstory most people will know. Sure, he has a comic/visual novel but I doubt many people have heard of it, and even fewer read it. Garrus and Tali are ME1 squadmates so you already know them and it's one of the things that makes Garrus/Tali's romances more plausible/likely-it's and already established trust and friendship becoming something more.

3. He's a nice guy, but just 'a nice guy'. As much as some people may say otherwise, one of the reasons (I believe) Garrus is loved by the fangirls is he's an emotional screw up  (to what extent is debateable). Jacob-like Zaeed-seems pretty well adjusted.

4. Dem hips. Compare the width of them to his shoulders. Someone pointed out to me, and I cannot unsee.

So... yeah. That leaves Kelly: Bubbly, flirty/gregarious, happy, and a soothing voice.

Modifié par Loki330, 07 mars 2010 - 03:17 .

[Neria Rose]

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

while Femshep gets two weird aliens plus the most boring human imaginable who in addition looks like one of the most ridiculous persons on this planet...

All in the eye of the beholder. Thane = insanely hawt, Garrus = incredibly adorable and a much desired LI, Jacob.. well.. his graphics can look strange from time to time, but his abs are far more impressive than Kaidan's (though Kaidan had a sweeter albeit equally boring personality).

[Lara Denton]

Luc0s wrote...

laradenton wrote...

What does female Shepard get? The only one that acknowledges the fact
that Shepard is a female outside of LI is Aria at some point saying
something like "find yourself a young man".

And how is that any different from maleShep? It's not like everyone shouts at you "you're the man Shepard!" if you're playing maleShep. Trust me, playing maleShep is almost identical to playing femShep, it's exactly the same, with only a few minor changes in the dialogue and ofcourse different LI's.

laradenton wrote...

And what is Bioware planning? Kasumi - because male Shepard can never
have enough women around him.

Hmmm let's count our current squad members. We have:
Garrus, Grunt, Jacob, Mordin, Thane, Zaeed. 6 males in total.

Then we have:
Jack, Miranda, Samara/Morinth, Tali. 4 females in your squad, with Samara being replacable for Morinth.

So yeah, maybe you should get your facts straight before you're going to b*tch about things, because obviously, even with Kasumi added to the list, the female squadmembers are still in a minority.

laradenton wrote...

It is annoying and frustrating to be left out.


And just for the sake of it and because male Shepard could never have
any type of competition Bioware decided that Thane is dying.

What a bunch of bullcrap. Like I said, there are more males in Shepard's squad than females.
And Garrus said after his face blown to shreds: "Well, the ladies where always hitting on me and ignoring you, so it's about time you get a fair shot, commander."
So even though we don't see it, we can assume that at least Garrus forms a bit of a competition for maleShep.
But honestly, does it really matter? Because so far we've never seen squad-members hitting on each other, regardless of if you're playing femShep or maleShep. "The universe bends towards me.", is what Harbinger would say. I guess in this case the universe bends towards Shepard, playing female doesn't change that at all.

Seriously, read your own post again and realize what a pathatic moaning post it actually is, without any solid arguments.

First of all do not call my post pathetic moaning! And I'm not b*tching, I'm saying what I'm thinking. If you can truly make
an argument then do it without insults, otherwise, shut up.

Should I go through all the instances when in the game a woman hits on male Shepard? That's what I was referring to. Even Dr. Chakwas more or less hits on him.

[TheTrooper1138]

Neria Rose wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

while Femshep gets two weird aliens plus the most boring human imaginable who in addition looks like one of the most ridiculous persons on this planet...

All in the eye of the beholder. Thane = insanely hawt, Garrus = incredibly adorable and a much desired LI, Jacob.. well.. his graphics can look strange from time to time, but his abs are far more impressive than Kaidan's (though Kaidan had a sweeter albeit equally boring personality).

no, he DOES look like one of the most ridiculous persons on this planet, being this **** here: http://www.thecouchs...st1_300_400.jpg

Modifié par TheTrooper1138, 07 mars 2010 - 03:45 .

[Lara Denton]

Luc0s wrote...

laradenton wrote...

First of all do not call my post pathetic moaning! And I'm not b*tching, I'm saying what I'm thinking. If you can truly make
an argument then do it without insults, otherwise, shut up.

Should I go through all the instances when in the game a woman hits on male Shepard? That's what I was referring to. Even Dr. Chakwas more or less hits on him.

So you would want everyone in th universe hitting on your female Shepard?

I don't see Shepard as a ladies man, in fact, I often feel a weird feeling in my stomach if Shepard tries to be a gentleman. While some people blame it on Mark Meer's voice-acting, I think BioWare did this on purpose.
Shepard is a soldier with a lot of stuff on his mind, he know how to handle a gun and he's like a fish in the water on the battlefield, but when it comes to women, he's kind of a misfit, and I like it that way.

Sure, some NPC's (aside from the LI's) try to flirt with maleShep, but I find that actually rather anoying, in most cases. So I honestly didn't miss anything when I tried to play ME1&2 once more with a female character.


Sorry for insulting you, but I still think you're overreacting and making a big deal out of something small.

It is not about everyone in the universe hitting on female Shepard is about balacing the game in a way that the male and female Shepard get equal treatment. The first Mass Effect was pretty fair in that regard.

[Splinter Cell 108]

I like the female options better than the male options. I've only romanced Garrus so far but I prefered it over Tali. Tali's romance seemed too awkward for me. I haven't romanced others but I think I won't like Jacob or Miranda. I like Jacob but as a romance option not so much.

[TheTrooper1138]

Luc0s wrote...

That's a matter of taste and opinion.

Miranda is hot, though her face looks kinda awkward in some scenes, she's still hot, I won't deny that.
But I think Jacob is equally hot... for a black man that is. I'm a heterosexual guy so I wouldn't really know, but I guess most female players will love the abs. But I do admit, Jacob is a pretty boring and sometimes even anoying character.

Jack is cool in her own way, but so is Thane. I admit, I wouldn't romance that dude if I where femShep, but I still think he's kick-ass and I love his design. He's, in fact, one of my favorite characters in ME2.

Tali... although her personality is attractive, you can't exactly say she's "hot". She had (weird) chicken legs and you never get to see her face, so you can't exactly say if she's hot or not.
But Garrus isn't really "hot" either, but like Tali, he does have a kick-ass personality. So I think Tali and Garrus are equal.


Long story short, I think femShep's and maleShep's LI's are pretty equal to each other. I don't think the femShep trio is much worse than the maleShep trio.

So you admit, that Miranda and Jack are great and that the male characters are unromancable (and sorry, but I can't see any of my FemSheps romance Kanye West and I think BW really screwed us by obivously designing Jacob after him!), but then you say they are equal? Hello? Logic? And apart from her three-fingers and chicken legs Tali is hot, also she has a very sweet voice... while Thane is just a walking cliché...
Maybe Tali and Garrus are equal, especially since with both there would be problems with the physical aspect of the relationship, but that leaves two hot HUMAN females for MaleShep, plus one cliché character that looks like a lizard-fish-man and Kanye West for FemShep... great, really... 

Modifié par TheTrooper1138, 07 mars 2010 - 04:09 .

[Lara Denton]

Luc0s wrote...

That's because the first game didn't have much extra aside from the story-missions and a few boring Mako-missions. The whole romance-deal is hardly worth mentioning in ME1. It was just an extra gimmick to me. Although the romance sub-plot is better in ME2 (in my opinion), it's still nothing more but a nice extra. It's not like it has any influence on the rest of the game. I really hope ME3 will change that. I'd love to see how cheating on Liara will have consequences in ME3.

If they weren't so many - these differences - they could have been easily overlooked.

[HaloKT]

Loki330 wrote...

Could be worse. You get get Ashley for a LI, as a maleshep. Currently doing my femshep runthrough, after beating it as maleshep for the first time, and I'm probably going to go with Kelly myself. Malegamer 'hurr durr lesbians r hawt' aside, Liara... eh, I don't really have much time for Asari. Don't know why.

The funny thing is, I always thought that'd be it for me as well. But then again, I really like (ME1) Shiala. And Aria really pushes some of my buttons. I guess the dorky, awkward scientist girl appeal just kind of wore off... especially seeing how Tali has matured mentally now.

Jacob's got a couple of problems which handicaps him, imo:
*snip*

I'll just cut it short here:
1.) I doubt that's it. For example, Tali is pretty much useless in combat compared to the other crewmates. Nevertheless, I still love her to bits and pieces.

2.) Yeah, but he's the first crewmate you meet and have a conversation with. Other crewmates people care much more for like Thane or even Legion join later on in the game.

3.) I think this is the answer. His personality is just too "subordinate". He's always formal, you're always the boss. I can't respect that in a potential romance... I'm just not the type for that, I need someone who can set me straight if I screw up, not someone who agrees with me all the time because I'm the boss. That's where Garrus comes in actually. I love how he has a mind of his own but also isn't perfect. He's never beneath you and never is condescending. If he were a girl, perfect romance material. But alas... BFF it is.

4.) Ugh, don't make me go and check

So... yeah. That leaves Kelly: Bubbly, flirty/gregarious, happy, and a soothing voice.

She really is bubbly, isn't she? She does have lots of appeal though (or maybe because of it?) <3

[NICKjnp]

If you are that concerned about having a female/female romance than either don't cheat on Liara with a guy or pop in KOTOR and romance Juhani.

[Your Synthetic Superior]

Malastrail wrote...

Romance options for ME 2 were so unappealing for my femshep that all my playthroughs were mission-centric. Jacob's was especially cringe-worthy with that forced flirty conversation.

It was so easy to stay faithful to my ME 1 LI.

I think  that's just the way it's scripted and it comes out that way even more because of the male/female dynamic, but not having played a femshep I can't really say. Even as a male you say things to him complimenting his body and whatnot. Kinda felt alittle gay at times especially with malesheps goofy grinning.

[shinobi602]

Calsong wrote...

I'm playing through second time as a female Shepard and find my options for a romance is Thane the lizard man, the armor skinned Garrus, or Jacob, the most boring, and only human man in the team! (except from Zaed who can't be romanced precumably because he's old. He's a hell lot more interesting than Jacob)

As a butch soldier Shepard I would think there's a 50/50 chance she might be lesbian but there's not even an option for it!!

Tbh I chose for her not to have a romance because of this.
Male Shepards get super sexy Miranda and the tough to crack Jack (also sexy as hell in an unorthodox way, suits a renegade Shep imo), and Tali the super star alien of the ME universe.

Anyone else feeling Female Shepards are romantically disadvantaged? 

Lol, you can say the same thing about the Male shep's options if you twist the words around enough. It's all opinions.

[Llandaryn]

Neria Rose wrote...

TheTrooper1138 wrote...

while Femshep gets two weird aliens plus the most boring human imaginable who in addition looks like one of the most ridiculous persons on this planet...

All in the eye of the beholder. Thane = insanely hawt, Garrus = incredibly adorable and a much desired LI, Jacob.. well.. his graphics can look strange from time to time, but his abs are far more impressive than Kaidan's (though Kaidan had a sweeter albeit equally boring personality).

What he said. I actually feel sorry for maleShep. He has the choice between two humans (and let's face it, we've all done humans, there's nothing new there) or one alien. Whereas femShep gets the choice between two aliens or a human. From a writer's POV, you can just do so much more with a human/alien romance than you can with a human/human romance, because parts of it are going to be inevitably frowned upon, if not taboo. Humans have only been on the scene for some thirty years, so I can imagine a lot of fall-out from Shepard having an open relationship with an alien -- it's a shame this isn't reflected more in the Cerberus crew. Having the crew (and other squad-mates) comment on your LI, regardless of their gender or species, would have been cool, and very realistic. Receiving anti-alien hate-mail from a group like Terra Firma if you chose Tali/Garrus/Thane as your LI would have added a touch of realism.

Anyway, I'm rambling. Point is, Mass Effect is a game with a specific story line. It's not going to explore all the socio-political ramifications in the way that we all want, so we can either a) complain about it, 2)  shut up about it, or iii) use our own imaginations to make the universe Bioware has given us our own.

[HaloKT]

To be fair, you don't have much of a "Cerberus" crew at that point anymore. Jacob's pretty much your loyal puppy from the get-go and Miranda gets swayed to your side later on. Kelly Chambers (the only other Cerberus crewmate you can interact with) openly states that she isn't racist and likes any species, so it's not as if she would object. Given her personality, it'd probably even turn her on. The other cre, I don't know. Butit's been stated that they'd follow me through anything, Cerberus mindset or not. So I can only guess they wouldn't mutiny or rat you out.