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[Loerwyn]

Beocat wrote...
Underrated: Beyond Good and Evil, Mirror's Edge

Disagree on BG&E being underrated. In a few British gaming publications (I think it's PC Zone mainly), BG&E constantly has praise heaped on it and tends to rank in the "Top 100 PC games" lists quite highly. I'd put it in "Underplayed" not "Underrated".
As for Mirror's Edge? I have to disagree a little. It was a very unusual game in that it was an FPS but didn't really give you much chance/reason to shoot. I got the PC version the day before release (and finished it that evening), and I loved it to pieces. It was no different to other games in that it got a mixture of great reviews and poor reviews. I'd say praise/hate was just about right.

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ApolloCloud wrote...

On the issue of choice based storytelling:

It filters the creativity (and let's be honest here, this is not something that the Bioware storytellers possess in abundance), time, effort, vision, and ambition of the storytellers into multiple different storyline scenarios, and as such the quality of any single given scenario is not being maximised to the full potential of the storytellers (this can also warrant the use of multiple storytellers which can create inconsistencies as far as creative design, vision, ambition, style and content are concerned).

It also removes a lot of the artistry and meaning behind storytelling because events don't necessarily occur because thay are thematically and stylistically meant to in accordance with the vision and design of the storyteller, but simply because that was the particular variable path chosen by the player.

What it can do to aid the art of storytelling is to allow the audience a level of influence over the storyline, but is that really a good thing? The entire purpose of storytelling is to escape into the storyteller's imagination. Adding your own influence over it only detracts from that.

So as I said, it hurts storytelling far more than it helps it (and it can't be said to help it at all).

And that's not even touching upon the video game medium's limitations and how choice based storytelling wouldn't possibly be able to be optimised under the format, or Bioware's own inefficiencies with dealing with the style of storytelling.

I am going to take a wild guess and say your more of a fan of the FF series am I right?

I really dont agree with anything you just said, it seems that the only major problem with the choice based storytelling is the time and effort needed to write multiple storylines and scenarios based on the path the player chooses to play through the game, this would have to be the only downfall of the choice based storytelling and if the developers are dedicated enough to put the time and effort in to make the game great choice based storytelling will always win over linear one path storytelling IMO.

You also claim that linear storytelling draws the player in more when this couldnt be further from the truth, with choice based storytelling you are playing your character and make the choices you would make and thus you identify more with the character, however with linear storytelling you are playing as some emo kid with father issues on a quest to save the world.

But this is what really baffles me, you claim that video games arent suited to choice based storylines when there is no disputing that video games would have to be the best format for choice based story telling. If you disagree with this then please enlighten me on what platform would be better suited to the task?

But hey I guess when it comes down to it it is all a matter of opinion, we could both argue about this until we are blue in the face but we wont get anywhere, we simply have two oposing veiws. You prefer being told what to do and I prefer to make my own choices.

I do however have one question for you, if you hate choice based storytelling so much why are you on the social site of a company that specializes in choice based storytelling?

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OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Beocat wrote...
Underrated: Beyond Good and Evil, Mirror's Edge

Disagree on BG&E being underrated. In a few British gaming publications (I think it's PC Zone mainly), BG&E constantly has praise heaped on it and tends to rank in the "Top 100 PC games" lists quite highly. I'd put it in "Underplayed" not "Underrated".

I think you are taking the word too literally, when I use the word I am more refering to the fact that the game did not get the recognition it deserves by the majority of the gaming public not the review scores it might have gotten on Gamespot ect.

Take Okami for example, I think it got some pretty good review scores but it was ignored by the majority of the gaming public and diddnt get the recognition it deserved and thus I would call it underrated.

[crysischaos]

Dudebag wrote...

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Beocat wrote...
Underrated: Beyond Good and Evil, Mirror's Edge

Disagree on BG&E being underrated. In a few British gaming publications (I think it's PC Zone mainly), BG&E constantly has praise heaped on it and tends to rank in the "Top 100 PC games" lists quite highly. I'd put it in "Underplayed" not "Underrated".

I think you are taking the word too literally, when I use the word I am more refering to the fact that the game did not get the recognition it deserves by the majority of the gaming public not the review scores it might have gotten on Gamespot ect.

Take Okami for example, I think it got some pretty good review scores but it was ignored by the majority of the gaming public and diddnt get the recognition it deserved and thus I would call it underrated.

BG&E was fantastic, but wasn't marketed well; part of that may be because the main character was female and not in the Lara Croft model.

[enormousmoonboots]

Overrated

All Final Fantasy 7 spinoff games and media



Underrated

The actual Final Fantasy 7 game



90% of the people who go OH GOD FF7 GREATEST STORY EVER SEPHIROTH IS THE MOST AMAZING VILLAIN SO DEEP have only seen the movie or played the spinoffs. The actual game is pretty damn good, though it's not GODLY like some people insist. But the fandom just turns people off to it.

[Loerwyn]

crysischaos wrote...
BG&E was fantastic, but wasn't marketed well; part of that may be because the main character was female and not in the Lara Croft model.

I put it in the same boat as Psychonauts.
It could be a brilliant game, but getting a copy of it without digital distribution can be a real pain. I didn't get my copies of BG&E and Psychonauts until last year through Steam.

[LostInSanity]

Morrowind (Just couldnt get into it)

Anything from Blizzard (I just dont like RTS games, and Diablo is boring)

Anything Call of Duty (Spend some time on the single player story damnit!)

Fable 2 (See Morrowind)

Anything Halo (Loved 1, but lost me after that)

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enormousmoonboots wrote...

Overrated
All Final Fantasy 7 spinoff games and media and the actual Final Fantasy 7 game itself

Fixed it for you.

[Cancermeat]

Ice Climber

[Maniacle1]

I think I am gonna have to jump on the bandwagon of those that say Psychonauts and Beyond Good & Evil.  Both were fantastic and damn near no one played them when they released.  I really wish I never lent out my copy of BG&E...   

I really hope they get around to finishing part 2, god that would be great.  Oh, and Mr. Pokeylope for the win.

Modifié par Maniacle1, 13 avril 2010 - 09:59 .

[Jonp382]

I tried to run the demo for Psychonauts on my PC a while back, and then again a few weeks ago. For some reason, it simply refuses to work.

[FlintlockJazz]

Hmm where do I start, most overrated/hyped game, there's about three of them for me off the top of my head...



Spore, overrated and overhyped, though once it was released and people played it the word of mouth review pretty much slammed it, so it ceased to be overrated. The fact that I enjoyed the cell stage the most (the stage I thought I would not like the most before release) says alot.



Bioshock, I know it tried to be all philosophical and clever and utilise Ayn Rand ****e and all that, but really, is killing Big Daddies over and over really that deep? And the choice between saving the child or killing? Typical good/evil choice. The novelty wore off quite quick, and the story rapidly degenerated into the writer stroking his own wang over how awesome and clever he thought himself to be.



The Sims 3, 'nuff said.



Most underrated games include...



Beyond Good and Evil, there was something magical and epic about this game.



Dragon's Breath, a very old game now that I played on the Atari, was known as Dragon Lord in the US apparently.



VtM:Bloodlines, if you have played it you know, shame the devs clearly ran out of money before really finishing it.



I'm sure there are plent of others I'm just not recalling off the top of my head that are more deserving, but thats all I'm remembering at the mo.

[Steingrimur Steingrimsson]

Overrated - Gears of War or Halo... I would probably go with Halo, since Gears introduced the cover-system, which pretty much revolutionized a whole generation of games. Halo contributed with hype, poor design and a horrible story. Oh, and Oblivion! Played it for 120 hours and it left me with a hollow feeling inside. The level-up system was horrible and required you to cast spells into nothingness and being hit by rats, the story really could have used some cinematics. Although Fallout 3 has many of the same cons, it was infinetly better.



Underrated - Enter the Matrix, it was not awesome, but it wasn't bad... At least not when I played it, back in the day.

[Loerwyn]

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...
I would probably go with Halo, since Gears introduced the cover-system, which pretty much revolutionized a whole generation of games. 

I call BS. Proof GoW revitalised it at most.

Modifié par OnlyShallow89, 13 avril 2010 - 12:56 .

[addiction21]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...
I would probably go with Halo, since Gears introduced the cover-system, which pretty much revolutionized a whole generation of games. 

I call BS. Proof GoW revitalised it at most.

Pretty much. Then again it seems rather common for gamers (hell even humans in general) to think that anything came before what they have experianced in their own life. Kinda like when I was playing WoW it seemed too common that everyone thought it was ALL original when in fact it is mostly a rip from EQ. Just trimmed down and the rough edges smoothed down some.
Or that BioWares first game being BG.

Edit: I apologize. That seemed a little heavy handed. Not trying to point out fingers I think we all do it a little.

Modifié par addiction21, 13 avril 2010 - 01:11 .

[Loerwyn]

And EQ itself wasn't original, because you had games like Ultima Online. All that ever happens with current gaming is one company will take a feature and do it "right". WoW hit at the right time with the right universe, franchise and developers. It's easy to play, can be hard to master (especially PvP), and it caters to most play styles out there.

Baldur's Gate was the game that made BioWare's name in the RPG community; they'd done a few games before but nothing you could really say was of note. MDK is pretty much a long forgotten franchise now, for example.

I mean look at Unreal Tournament. It wasn't the first multiplayer FPS, but it hit at the right moment and as such is remembered to be one of the most important games in multiplayer FPS history. I lost many hours to it myself, and I keep meaning to repurchase it.

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Steingrimur Steingrimsson wrote...

Overrated - Gears of War or Halo... I would probably go with Halo, since Gears introduced the cover-system, which pretty much revolutionized a whole generation of games. Halo contributed with hype, poor design and a horrible story. Oh, and Oblivion! Played it for 120 hours and it left me with a hollow feeling inside. The level-up system was horrible and required you to cast spells into nothingness and being hit by rats, the story really could have used some cinematics. Although Fallout 3 has many of the same cons, it was infinetly better.

Underrated - Enter the Matrix, it was not awesome, but it wasn't bad... At least not when I played it, back in the day.

Hmm Gears diddnt introduce the cover system it just gave it some major improvements as people said but then the first Halo did do the same thing for the FPS genre. I am not a fan of the Halo series and yes its sequels were highly overrated and were the same thing repackaged with minor additions like dual wield but I do have to admit that a lot of the modern FPS games owe a lot to the original Halo.

[Rubbish Hero]

Over-rated- Halo, Gears Of War, Mass Effect

Under-rated- Penumbra: Black Plague

[osprey156]

The most overrated games for me would be:

Halo, Gears of War, Call of Duty, or anything with Tom Clancy's name on it.

I just can't seem to get into shooters, with the exception of the Mass Effects and F.E.A.R.



The underrated games would be:

The Quest For Glory series, The Longest Journey, and Beyond Good & Evil

[enormousmoonboots]

Dudebag wrote...

Fixed it for you.

Seriously, when's the last time you played FF7 without thinking of the stupid fanbase or the cash cow sequels? The Materia system is a logical extension of FF6's Magicite, selectable Limit Breaks a great development of the rare 'desperation attacks', it's got a surprising variety of minigames--and shocker of shockers, some of them are actually fun, Hojo is an excellently hateable villain, the gameplay's pretty good, lots of overworld to explore, Jenova is seriously creepy, memorable characters, decent twist...Sephiroth's a tool, of course, but he was never the true villain to begin with. Sure, some plot developments are kind of weird or out of nowhere, but the game does a pretty good job of selling them to you.

The only thing really wrong with FF7 is the whoring out Squenix has done to it. And that's why I'm calling it underrated; it gets a lot of undeserved bad press for its obnoxious fanbase. It's not a godlike game, but it's a pretty damn good one.

[Dudebag]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Dudebag wrote...

Fixed it for you.

Seriously, when's the last time you played FF7 without thinking of the stupid fanbase or the cash cow sequels? The Materia system is a logical extension of FF6's Magicite, selectable Limit Breaks a great development of the rare 'desperation attacks', it's got a surprising variety of minigames--and shocker of shockers, some of them are actually fun, Hojo is an excellently hateable villain, the gameplay's pretty good, lots of overworld to explore, Jenova is seriously creepy, memorable characters, decent twist...Sephiroth's a tool, of course, but he was never the true villain to begin with. Sure, some plot developments are kind of weird or out of nowhere, but the game does a pretty good job of selling them to you.

The only thing really wrong with FF7 is the whoring out Squenix has done to it. And that's why I'm calling it underrated; it gets a lot of undeserved bad press for its obnoxious fanbase. It's not a godlike game, but it's a pretty damn good one.

So what you are saying is that Final Fantasy 7 is that great a game that everyone would love it and the only reason people hate it is because of the fanatical fanbase overhype it so much? There is no posible way that anyone can hate Final Fantasy 7 apart from the fact that it has a fanatical fanbase? Other than the fanatical fanbase and the spin offs Final Fantasy 7 is perfect? You sir are the very reason Final Fantasy 7 is overrated.

[Chellick]

Underrated

Advent Rising

Seriosly underrated and overlooked. Includes a great storyline by Orson Scott Card, and freshly innovative game play. Third person Sci-Fi action that mixes the likes of Oni, Max Payne, and the use of awesome powers.
Pick it up for PC. (I can't vouch for the xbox version.)

Underrated and Forgotten

Oni

A great third person Sci-Fi martial arts fighting game. Back when developer Bungie did quality work instead of throwing up Halo's. A game like this would be awesome with a next gen update. But while I don't expect Bungie to make anthing good for a long time....I'll remain with my fingers crossed.

Overrated

Halo (1 and 2 and 3 and......)

What Bungie does with all of it's money. And what alot of people spend their money on.

-Chellick

Modifié par Chellick, 14 avril 2010 - 02:59 .

[enormousmoonboots]

Dudebag wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Dudebag wrote...

Fixed it for you.

Seriously, when's the last time you played FF7 without thinking of the stupid fanbase or the cash cow sequels? The Materia system is a logical extension of FF6's Magicite, selectable Limit Breaks a great development of the rare 'desperation attacks', it's got a surprising variety of minigames--and shocker of shockers, some of them are actually fun, Hojo is an excellently hateable villain, the gameplay's pretty good, lots of overworld to explore, Jenova is seriously creepy, memorable characters, decent twist...Sephiroth's a tool, of course, but he was never the true villain to begin with. Sure, some plot developments are kind of weird or out of nowhere, but the game does a pretty good job of selling them to you.

The only thing really wrong with FF7 is the whoring out Squenix has done to it. And that's why I'm calling it underrated; it gets a lot of undeserved bad press for its obnoxious fanbase. It's not a godlike game, but it's a pretty damn good one.

So what you are saying is that Final Fantasy 7 is that great a game that everyone would love it and the only reason people hate it is because of the fanatical fanbase overhype it so much? There is no posible way that anyone can hate Final Fantasy 7 apart from the fact that it has a fanatical fanbase? Other than the fanatical fanbase and the spin offs Final Fantasy 7 is perfect? You sir are the very reason Final Fantasy 7 is overrated.

Of course I'm not saying everyone should love it and it's a perfect game. It's not. I've played a lot better. If you dislike it for its own reasons, that's cool. That's your opinion, and I respect you for it. All I'm saying is that it gets overshadowed by its spinoffs, and a lot of people don't give it a fair chance. It doesn't work for you? That's fine. But I know a bunch of people in real life who've played the spinoffs, seen the movie, never played the actual game. They're missing out on an enjoyable experience.

That's why I think it's underrated by modern audiences.

[ApolloCloud]

I'd agree with you on that one. I feel Final Fantasy VII has become largely underrated, simply for how its been perceived to be overrated in the past, when it really never was in the first place. It has such a strong fanbase and such great critical acclaim because it was really that good. Some of the best music you can find in a videogame, same with the story, incredible graphics for its time, and very strong gameplay.

[Kohaku]

ApolloCloud wrote...

I'd agree with you on that one. I feel Final Fantasy VII has become largely underrated, simply for how its been perceived to be overrated in the past, when it really never was in the first place. It has such a strong fanbase and such great critical acclaim because it was really that good. Some of the best music you can find in a videogame, same with the story, incredible graphics for its time, and very strong gameplay.

Personally for me FF VII didn't have the best music. It had tracks I loved. Those Who Fight is one of my favorite songs from the series. That's pretty much all that stuck out. Sephiroth's theme is one of the most overused and remixed songs in the whole series. His song comes up in everything Square related.

If I wanted to talk about soundtracks, I loved Eternal Sonata’s not only for Chopin’s work but also the original songs. The Tales of Series has some awesome music along with Soul Calibur.

You want to stick with FF music, FFXI had a terribly wonderful soundtrack. There wasn’t a song I didn’t like.