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[Seagloom]

Steve236 wrote...

Chrono Trigger and valkyrie profile. this games should be considered to be the pinnacle of all RPGs

Valkyrie Profile was amazing. Definitely an underrated game. It's one of the few PS1 games I went out of my way to hold on to over the years. Some aspects of it are painfully corny. The whole pseudo Japan Yamato people in what's supposed to be a game loosely based around norse mythology... and the plot can get heavy handed at times too... but the game as a whole was very good.

[I Valente I]

Well firstly, I'll be hypocritical and say that I HATE the terms 'overrated/underrated" because frankly, who cares what it's rated? I like it or I don't. Also, generallly, if someone claims a game is overrated, they are doing it out of spite, or to go against what everyone else thinks.



Most overrated game I've played:

Assassin's Creed. I didn't know what the ratings were before I played it. I purposely don't read any reviews or garbage on forums before a release of a game so my opinion is not tainted. I bought it, I played it, and MAN did I hate it. I mean really really hated it. Regardless, I churned away, almost beat it. I finally caved and looked up some reviews....9's accross the board. WHAT? I now use this game's reviews as proof that you should never believe review scores. If a game gets a 9, I don't hold my breath. If it gets a 6, don't care, they gave Assassin's Creed a 9, so that 6 might possibly be a great game.



Most underrated game:

Shenmue...now before you jump down my throat and yell it's NOT underrated. I'm going by review scores, I'm not going by cult following or what's spewed on forums, because the thing with forum drabble is that it's extremely unreliable, slander(or is it libel?), hate-filled, religiously loved etc..

I played this game before I had ever wasted my time looking at sites like Gamespot or IGN for reviews. It's my all-time favorite game, perfectly genius. It wasn't until about a year ago that I got curious and searched Shenmue on Gamespot and saw that they gave it a 7.9...my jaw dropped. Ign...7.6( i think). I couldn't believe this masterpiece got such low scores! One reason I always consider it a masterpiece is that, despite it's glaring flaws, what it does right far outdoes most(if not all) perfectly polished games. So much so, that what it does wrong...well who cares? I don't play games for what they don't do...I play them for what they do do.





Well there's my post, in all its hypocritical glory. Needless to stay I constantly waste my time on Gamespot and fan-boy forums like these, even though I hate them. Funny how that works.

[A Killing Sound]

Shenmue just reminder me of another underrated game series: Yakuza.



Man, it may be a typical brawler, but it is cool.

[Mr.Skar]

For Overrated, I'm gonna have to say the Assassin's Creed games. I have played the first one and the second one and so far have only found them to be "not bad" as opposed to "industry changing".



Uderrated, Jet Grind Radio and Jet Set Radio Future. Yeah the sequel streamlined tagging (not the best choice) but it was still a crazy stylish and rockin' game. Jet Grind Radio made me happy to own a Dreamcast. Fun and original, I'm a bit upset that we don't have a current gen sequel to play with.

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

modern warfare is sooooo overrated that game is nothing special people only love it cuz its hyped



most underrated is definatly legend of zelda wind waker...its artistic design was amazing as was the combat i liked it more than twilight princess

[SurfaceBeneath]

Overrated: I agree with OP; Mass Effect. It's probably Bioware's worst game. The concept is brilliant, and really that's what carries it, but it's so flawed from a gameplay perspective that it is hard to recommend it for anything but the story and setting.



Underrated: Thief 1 and 2. These games are criminally unappreciated and whenever someone mentions "stealth gameplay" and "Metal Gear Solid" in the same sentence, I start getting dry heaves of rage because I know for a fact that the plebeian who said that never played either game.

[Twitchmonkey]

Mr.Skar wrote...

For Overrated, I'm gonna have to say the Assassin's Creed games. I have played the first one and the second one and so far have only found them to be "not bad" as opposed to "industry changing".

Uderrated, Jet Grind Radio and Jet Set Radio Future. Yeah the sequel streamlined tagging (not the best choice) but it was still a crazy stylish and rockin' game. Jet Grind Radio made me happy to own a Dreamcast. Fun and original, I'm a bit upset that we don't have a current gen sequel to play with.

Don't agree on the first part, while the AC games aren't quite industry changing, I find them to be very good, but I absolutely agree with the second part. Those games are pure style and awesome gameplay. It's too bad they never got noticed by the gaming public so it's unlikely we'll see another.

[Jalem001]

Overrated: GTA4 and Assassin's Creed.



GTA4: This game got 10s from a lot of reviews, but why? It doesn't feel like a GTA game. The story is good, but its kinda boring to be honest. Niko is a good character, but not for a GTA game. The whole thing just feels completely wrong, and once I beat it I really didn't pick it up again. No rampages, no putting cheats in to get weapons and pass the controller around with my friends. Nothing.



AC: Hated it. Everything about this game was mediocre (except the story, which was downright bad) except for the combat. The combat was fluid and enjoyable I felt. But the rest of the gameplay was repetitive and boring. Assassinations had no grace and hardly any player planning to them. Its not like I could gather info and then make my own decisions.



Underrated: Total War series (minus Empire). I don't feel like Total War games get enough attention. Maybe I'm wrong, but I haven't come across a lot of people who want to talk about their old campaigns from ME2 or R:TW.

[SithLordExarKun]

For most overrated game i would say FF7, GTA4 and MW2.



Underrated? Conquest : frontier wars

[Fredvdp]

Overrated: Final Fantasy VII

I guess many people just started in the PSOne generation and missed the superior Final Fantasy VI. They "didn't know better". Final Fantasy VII was not bad, but only okay. WarioWare Smooth Moves is also a critically acclaimed game even if it's anal liquid but it doesn't have the same fan following as FFVII so I didn't pick it.

Picking an underrated game is too hard. The good games always get the respect they deserve.

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Overrated: I agree with OP; Mass
Effect. It's probably Bioware's worst game. The concept is brilliant,
and really that's what carries it, but it's so flawed from a gameplay
perspective that it is hard to recommend it for anything but the story
and setting.

Mass Effect has a great story and okay gameplay. Compare this to Knights of the Old Republic which had an okay story and okay gameplay, and Dragon Age: Origins, which had very good gameplay but a very generic setting and a very shallow story.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 08 mars 2010 - 12:07 .

[SurfaceBeneath]

Fredvdp wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Overrated: I agree with OP; Mass Effect. It's probably Bioware's worst game. The concept is brilliant, and really that's what carries it, but it's so flawed from a gameplay perspective that it is hard to recommend it for anything but the story and setting.

Mass Effect has a great story and okay gameplay. Compare this to Knights of the Old Republic which had an okay story and okay gameplay, and Dragon Age: Origins, which had very good gameplay but a very generic setting and a very shallow story.

Mass Effect's story wasn't all that amazing, and was in fact structually very very similar to KoTOR's. On a whole, I rate KoTOR and Mass Effect on the same level, slightly below Jade Empire, and WAY below everything else Bioware's done. Dragon Age, while having a generic story, did have much suprior characters and, as you said, the gameplay was top notch.

[Loerwyn]

Dragon Age's strength wasn't the story, it was the way it twisted the genre in subtle ways, though. Aside from it being a darker fantasy game (along the lines of The Witcher and the Forgotten Realms campaign setting), it tweaked stereotypes in a brilliant way. It also had some brilliant characters.

Dwarves went from noble to back-stabbers & politics-obsessed.

Elves went from tall, graceful and free to short, enslaved and despised.

Mages went from wise and powerful to easily-corrupted and dangerous.

And there's other ways BioWare tweaked things, and I think it was done brilliantly. Yes, it did have Hero Rises From Nothing (except for HN/DN) To Unite The Country And Save Everyone as its main story, but it was the events and the people you met that made it brilliant.

[Loerwyn]

Visually and if you fly through it, it doesn't seem overly dark.

But it's the deeper-woven themes that make it so, especially when you really get into the the details and histories of characters. Even if you "win", there's really no light at the end of the tunnel for a lot of characters.

[MerinTB]

It's dark fantasy as a setting / world / story, Capt. Obvious.



It's not a game where your actions and decisions are (can be) overtly dark (a la GTA or The Suffering or Fallout 2.)

[Panderfringe]

I thought Planescape: Torment was overrated. Everyone loves it and speaks highly of it. I was just bored.

[Seagloom]

Was Planescape: Torment overrated though? The first time I played through it, within its first month on shelves... it barely received any buzz. There were reviews and some chatter here and there, but it was practically an underground game compared to Baldur's Gate. Coming out just before the holidays didn't seem to help it much at all, and six months later Icewind Dale and Diablo 2 rolled out and crushed any visibility it had.

I'll admit Torment is hyped often now. Indeed, I count myself among those who unapologetically hold it up as a shining example of what a true CRPG is. That is, however, years after the fact. Back when it came out PST was grossly underrated, if anything.

Modifié par Seagloom, 09 mars 2010 - 12:37 .

[Jalem001]

Seagloom wrote...

Was Planescape: Torment overrated though? The first time I played through it, within its first month on shelves... it barely received any buzz. There were reviews and some chatter here and there, but it was practically an underground game compared to Baldur's Gate. Coming out just before the holidays didn't seem to help it much at all, and six months later Icewind Dale and Diablo 2 rolled out and crushed any visibility it had.

I'll admit Torment is hyped often now. Indeed, I count myself among those who unapologetically hold it up as a shining example of what a true CRPG is. That is, however, years after the fact. Back when it came out PST was grossly underrated, if anything.

I think the latter bit is the point.  I have a friend who holds all new Bioware games at a certain level of contempt because none of them, in her mind, compare to Torment or BG.  The way she talks about both you'd think they were the Jesus of video games.  I imagine that those who don't like it as much are going to find the game very overrated.

[Loerwyn]

Planescape's one of those games that you hear about but never see, I think. It's recently (along with the other late 90s/early 00s D&D BioWare/Black Isle games) been re-released. You'll hear it referenced from time to time and it's held as a shining example, but getting it is hard.

Sort of like what FF VII became. That's often heralded as a great game but finding it is/was a PITA until Sony released it on their network or something.

[Seraosha]

Overrated: Fable. Peter Molyneux put the hype merchants into overdrive and delivered a short game lacking in almost everything. It didn't deserve the critical acclaim it received.

Underrated: Fable 2. No-one seems to rate this game and I can't think why. Peter Molyneux delivered everything he promised and more this time around. It's the man's master work and one of the most engaging and thrilling RPG's I've played in the last few years. But maybe it's the curse of being 360 exclusive?

[Loerwyn]

Fable 2. Why does this not have a PC release yet? It's annoyed me how they released #1 but not #2!

I played it at my dad's house though. I dressed my character in a corset and hot pants and did the blacksmithing mini-game, and had a lesbian marriage to a gypsy woman.

Fun times

[purple acid]

dantes inferno was too much. literaoo7

[Twitchmonkey]

Seraosha wrote...

Overrated: Fable. Peter Molyneux put the hype merchants into overdrive and delivered a short game lacking in almost everything. It didn't deserve the critical acclaim it received.

Underrated: Fable 2. No-one seems to rate this game and I can't think why. Peter Molyneux delivered everything he promised and more this time around. It's the man's master work and one of the most engaging and thrilling RPG's I've played in the last few years. But maybe it's the curse of being 360 exclusive?

I wouldn't go so far as to say that Molneux ever delivers on everything he promises, but that's because he not only promises you the moon, he promises he'll fill it with chocolate and use it to save the pandas. It was a significant improvement over the first however, and I liked the first.

[Jalem001]

Seraosha wrote...

Overrated: Fable. Peter Molyneux put the hype merchants into overdrive and delivered a short game lacking in almost everything. It didn't deserve the critical acclaim it received.

Underrated: Fable 2. No-one seems to rate this game and I can't think why. Peter Molyneux delivered everything he promised and more this time around. It's the man's master work and one of the most engaging and thrilling RPG's I've played in the last few years. But maybe it's the curse of being 360 exclusive?

I seem to recall promises that we would love our dogs so much that we would get on simply to play with them.  That there would be a rival system, and that if we killed someone's parents and left them an orphan they would appear later in the game trying to get revenge.  There are more, but this is the kind of thing Peter promises us that never make the cut.  And these things would of added a lot. 

Fable 2 is a good game, but its not a stand out game.  I don't think it has much in the way of replay value, and the game is pretty linear.  The first half of the game is pretty good.  The second half is mediocre.  The ending choice was pretty bad too.  They give you an option to bring back those you've loved, and it doesn't include your sister?  My sister was the only character I had an emotional attatchment to.

Its a good game, but its not a great game, and it doesn't recieve nearly as much criticism as Fable.  This is exactly the place it deserves to be.  Peter himself said that there were some serious, fundamental flaws with the way Fable (1 and 2) is set up, and he hopes to correct this in Fable 3, so we'll see how that goes.

Modifié par Jalem001, 09 mars 2010 - 02:28 .