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[darknoon5]

On metacritic, the average fan rating is 8.9. Unless bioware is bribing or paying off every single gamer, what do you have to say to that?

And as above, have you ever considered it's just a quality title in everybody's opinion but yours? A poll here I saw comparing the 2 ME's actually had ME2 as 10% more popular, unless bioware's paying off the posters here.

Oh wait, you'll probably acuse me of trolling and/or edit my quote to something you believe is humourous like you do with pretty much every other post. Oh well.

[ZennExile]

ChampDude wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

intersect wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

intersect wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

intersect wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Did I say those were the only 4 elements or did you assume that so you could try and argue something you know makes absolutley no sense?

ZennExile wrote...

You have character creation.
Character development.
Dialogue choice.
Personal Virtual Space.

That's pretty much it for RPG elements...

Unless you meant that was all ME had?

Maybe use context to attempt to answer that question for yourself?

You know what , I concede that it isn't an RPG like as some or even most people define it.  You are right.  I enjoy most genres so I enjoyed the game as a whole, which gaming for me is honestly mostly about the story and immersion anyway.  I feel like ME2 has just enough elements of either genre to be one of my most favorite games.  Do I think its perfect?  No, of course not, but it's a hell of a ride and I can't wait for the next one, no matter what they keep/change.

Subjectively the game is as good as any other game.  But objectively you have to look at how it was marketed and to whom.

How many people bought ME2 thinking it was an RPG?  How many of them thought it would be a continuation of the highly successful RPG Mass Effect.?

When you really step back and think things through from behing the fanboi marker, you have to wonder how many people bought into ME2 expecting something completely different.   And you have to wonder just how many of them were happy about it. 

True, that's why I read the reviews, I knew about the stripped down/streamlined mechanics before hand, but decided that wasn't a reason for me to not get the game, everyone has the option of getting more info and being a responsible consumer.  Just like the criticism on people for selling back to gamestop for convenience, if you really wanted to be careful, read reviews, even rent games before buying them.

Reviews aren't reliable.  Most of them are cleverly disguised ad space and fully paid for.  And unfortunatley for Bioware it has come to that.  Renting or "Stealing"(renting with the intent to refuse payment if it sucks) the game are required security checks because Bioware can no longer be trusted to not abuse marketting gimmicks to sell a product to customers who wouldn't otherwise want it.

And I assume you are in the reviewing business and know this for fact? No way could the game be getting great reviews because it is actually a quality title. Bioware must be paying off review sites! Everyone get your tin foil hats! It's conspiracy time!

Remember the last time a Gamestop review of a game that was "Popular" ended up gving it terrible scores?  That guy was fired, sued, and forced into poverty.

Maybe he shoulda wore his tinfoil hat?

[ChampDude]

ZennExile wrote...

ChampDude wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

intersect wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

intersect wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

intersect wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

Did I say those were the only 4 elements or did you assume that so you could try and argue something you know makes absolutley no sense?

ZennExile wrote...

You have character creation.
Character development.
Dialogue choice.
Personal Virtual Space.

That's pretty much it for RPG elements...

Unless you meant that was all ME had?

Maybe use context to attempt to answer that question for yourself?

You know what , I concede that it isn't an RPG like as some or even most people define it.  You are right.  I enjoy most genres so I enjoyed the game as a whole, which gaming for me is honestly mostly about the story and immersion anyway.  I feel like ME2 has just enough elements of either genre to be one of my most favorite games.  Do I think its perfect?  No, of course not, but it's a hell of a ride and I can't wait for the next one, no matter what they keep/change.

Subjectively the game is as good as any other game.  But objectively you have to look at how it was marketed and to whom.

How many people bought ME2 thinking it was an RPG?  How many of them thought it would be a continuation of the highly successful RPG Mass Effect.?

When you really step back and think things through from behing the fanboi marker, you have to wonder how many people bought into ME2 expecting something completely different.   And you have to wonder just how many of them were happy about it. 

True, that's why I read the reviews, I knew about the stripped down/streamlined mechanics before hand, but decided that wasn't a reason for me to not get the game, everyone has the option of getting more info and being a responsible consumer.  Just like the criticism on people for selling back to gamestop for convenience, if you really wanted to be careful, read reviews, even rent games before buying them.

Reviews aren't reliable.  Most of them are cleverly disguised ad space and fully paid for.  And unfortunatley for Bioware it has come to that.  Renting or "Stealing"(renting with the intent to refuse payment if it sucks) the game are required security checks because Bioware can no longer be trusted to not abuse marketting gimmicks to sell a product to customers who wouldn't otherwise want it.

And I assume you are in the reviewing business and know this for fact? No way could the game be getting great reviews because it is actually a quality title. Bioware must be paying off review sites! Everyone get your tin foil hats! It's conspiracy time!

Remember the last time a Gamestop review of a game that was "Popular" ended up gving it terrible scores?  That guy was fired, sued, and forced into poverty.

Maybe he shoulda wore his tinfoil hat?

Oh so one example = an entire industry? Your logic is always sound Zenn. ITS FLAWLESS

[intersect]

ZennExile wrote...

Remember the last time a Gamestop review of a game that was "Popular" ended up gving it terrible scores?  That guy was fired, sued, and forced into poverty.

Maybe he shoulda wore his tinfoil hat?

Wow. Way to insult the integrity of every video game reviewer online!

[kraidy1117]

ZennExile wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Sigh, Zenn why are all your posts so relavent to how people feel about Mass Effect 2.  Mine always suck and have no relavence whatsoever...

Don't be so hard on yourself.  There aren't any bad ideas.  Just stupid people. 

Wow thats just rude. So let me get this right, you think your post are how people thought of ME2? Wow you must have a sad life.

[ZennExile]

darknoon5 wrote...

I believe internet polls that represent less than 0.002% of the consumer base are the most accurate peak into the minds of all gamers.   I also believe that a majority vote by that 0.002% is representative of the entire gaming industry.

Interesting tale chap.

[Zemore]

ZennExile wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Sigh, Zenn why are all your posts so relavent to how people feel about Mass Effect 2.  Mine always suck and have no relavence whatsoever...

Don't be so hard on yourself.  There aren't any bad ideas.  Just stupid people. 

you know changing what people said and putting it in thier quote really isnt big

[ZennExile]

[quote]ChampDude wrote...

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[quote]ChampDude wrote...

[quote]ZennExile wrote...

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[quote]ZennExile wrote...

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[quote]ZennExile wrote...

Did I say those were the only 4 elements or did you assume that so you could try and argue something you know makes absolutley no sense?[/quote]

[quote]ZennExile wrote...

You have character creation.
Character development.
Dialogue choice.
Personal Virtual Space.

That's pretty much it for RPG elements...

[/quote]

Unless you meant that was all ME had?

[/quote]
Maybe use context to attempt to answer that question for yourself?[/quote]

You know what , I concede that it isn't an RPG like as some or even most people define it.  You are right.  I enjoy most genres so I enjoyed the game as a whole, which gaming for me is honestly mostly about the story and immersion anyway.  I feel like ME2 has just enough elements of either genre to be one of my most favorite games.  Do I think its perfect?  No, of course not, but it's a hell of a ride and I can't wait for the next one, no matter what they keep/change.

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Subjectively the game is as good as any other game.  But objectively you have to look at how it was marketed and to whom.

How many people bought ME2 thinking it was an RPG?  How many of them thought it would be a continuation of the highly successful RPG Mass Effect.?

When you really step back and think things through from behing the fanboi marker, you have to wonder how many people bought into ME2 expecting something completely different.   And you have to wonder just how many of them were happy about it.  [/quote]

True, that's why I read the reviews, I knew about the stripped down/streamlined mechanics before hand, but decided that wasn't a reason for me to not get the game, everyone has the option of getting more info and being a responsible consumer.  Just like the criticism on people for selling back to gamestop for convenience, if you really wanted to be careful, read reviews, even rent games before buying them.

[/quote]

Reviews aren't reliable.  Most of them are cleverly disguised ad space and fully paid for.  And unfortunatley for Bioware it has come to that.  Renting or "Stealing"(renting with the intent to refuse payment if it sucks) the game are required security checks because Bioware can no longer be trusted to not abuse marketting gimmicks to sell a product to customers who wouldn't otherwise want it.[/quote]

And I assume you are in the reviewing business and know this for fact? No way could the game be getting great reviews because it is actually a quality title. Bioware must be paying off review sites! Everyone get your tin foil hats! It's conspiracy time!

[/quote]

Remember the last time a Gamestop review of a game that was "Popular" ended up gving it terrible scores?  That guy was fired, sued, and forced into poverty.

Maybe he shoulda wore his tinfoil hat?[/quote]

Oh so one example = an entire industry? Your logic is always sound Zenn. ITS FLAWLESS

[/quote]

See that one tale does not prove my opinion nor do I need it to.  It does however lend extreme doubt to the idea that you can trust reviews to be anything but marketing tools. 

[darknoon5]

ZennExile wrote...

darknoon5 wrote...

I believe internet polls that represent less than 0.002% of the consumer base are the most accurate peak into the minds of all gamers.   I also believe that a majority vote by that 0.002% is representative of the entire gaming industry.

Interesting tale chap.

Like you believe one reviewer being fired for giving a bad review is the basis for discrediting reviewers everywhere? We have more in common then I thought:)

[intersect]

ZennExile wrote...

See that one tale does not prove my opinion nor do I need it to.  It does however lend extreme doubt to the idea that you can trust reviews to be anything but marketing tools. 

You don't work in science do you?

[darknoon5]

-Double post-

Modifié par darknoon5, 06 mars 2010 - 05:53 .

[ZennExile]

kraidy1117 wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Sigh, Zenn why are all your posts so relavent to how people feel about Mass Effect 2.  Mine always suck and have no relavence whatsoever...

Don't be so hard on yourself.  There aren't any bad ideas.  Just stupid people. 

Wow I just realised how rude it was for me to jump into a conversation I know nothing about and make a stupid comment that has nothing to do with it in an attempt to directly attack you.  I'm so very sorry. 

Don't worry about it.  I blaim your parents for not teaching you how to socialize with people you don't know.

[superimposed]

intersect wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

See that one tale does not prove my opinion nor do I need it to.  It does however lend extreme doubt to the idea that you can trust reviews to be anything but marketing tools. 

You don't work in science do you?

With that attitude I doubt he works at the Grocer's.

[ChampDude]

superimposed wrote...

intersect wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

See that one tale does not prove my opinion nor do I need it to.  It does however lend extreme doubt to the idea that you can trust reviews to be anything but marketing tools. 

You don't work in science do you?

With that attitude I doubt he works at the Grocer's.

I believe that "troll" is a full-time job actually

[ZennExile]

intersect wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

See that one tale does not prove my opinion nor do I need it to.  It does however lend extreme doubt to the idea that you can trust reviews to be anything but marketing tools. 

You don't work in science do you?

Working out a theory based on facts and grounded in tangeble reality doesn't mean I'm a scientist.  It means I can think for myself and don't need people to agree with me to feel like my ideas are valid...

[ZennExile]

superimposed wrote...

intersect wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

See that one tale does not prove my opinion nor do I need it to.  It does however lend extreme doubt to the idea that you can trust reviews to be anything but marketing tools. 

You don't work in science do you?

With that attitude I doubt he works at the Grocer's.

With this comment I've determined that you don't think things through before you blurt them out.

[Zemore]

ChampDude wrote...


I believe that "troll" is a full-time job actually

yeah but the rent on underpasses is insane

[ZennExile]

Zemore wrote...

ChampDude wrote...


I believe that "troll" is a full-time job actually

yeah but the rent on underpasses is insane

"Highway Robbery"  wink wink nudge nudge**

[Nozybidaj]

Zemore wrote...

what the hell is it with people and trading in games your actually throwing money at Gamestop you arent coming off the better from that deal they are

/shrug I am already getting FF XIII anyway.  Might as well get some of that lost money back on ME2.

[intersect]

ZennExile wrote...

intersect wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

See that one tale does not prove my opinion nor do I need it to.  It does however lend extreme doubt to the idea that you can trust reviews to be anything but marketing tools. 

You don't work in science do you?

Working out a theory based on facts and grounded in tangeble reality doesn't mean I'm a scientist.  It means I can think for myself and don't need people to agree with me to feel like my ideas are valid...

That would be true if that was in fact what you were doing. 

[addiction21]

Why is the movie Leprechaun on the Sleuth channel?

[Zemore]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Zemore wrote...

what the hell is it with people and trading in games your actually throwing money at Gamestop you arent coming off the better from that deal they are

/shrug I am already getting FF XIII anyway.  Might as well get some of that lost money back on ME2.

i know what i should say about paying to be dissapointed but i intend to get it aswell

[ZennExile]

intersect wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

intersect wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

See that one tale does not prove my opinion nor do I need it to.  It does however lend extreme doubt to the idea that you can trust reviews to be anything but marketing tools. 

You don't work in science do you?

Working out a theory based on facts and grounded in tangeble reality doesn't mean I'm a scientist.  It means I can think for myself and don't need people to agree with me to feel like my ideas are valid...

That would be true if that was in fact what you were doing. 

Since you've chosen to attack the validity of my opinions it's up to you to prove your case.  So let's see how powerful your imagination really is.

[superimposed]

ZennExile wrote...

superimposed wrote...

intersect wrote...

ZennExile wrote...

See that one tale does not prove my opinion nor do I need it to.  It does however lend extreme doubt to the idea that you can trust reviews to be anything but marketing tools. 

You don't work in science do you?

With that attitude I doubt he works at the Grocer's.

With this comment I've determined that you don't think things through before you blurt them out.

lawl.
Yes, because knee-jerk reactionary responses culminating in grossly over-estimated conspiracy's regarding EA's influence over game reviews is completely logical.

[ZennExile]

addiction21 wrote...

Why is the movie Leprechaun on the Sleuth channel?

Do not speak of the scheduele in such a public venue...  Do you want to get us all killed?