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[implodinggoat]

Don't get me wrong, I love ME2;  but quite frankly there is no way in hell my Shepard would ever work for Ceberus.
Hell, at the end of Mass Effect 1 hunting down and killing every last Cerberus operative was at the top of my list of things I wanted to do in ME2.  I mean this is an orginization which....

1:  Proved they were incompotent by accidentally releasing Rachni.
2:  Turned the entire Chasca colony into Husks just to see what would happen.
3:  Used children as lab rats to try and create a superior biotic.
4:  Murdered Admiral Kahoku's entire unit by luring them into a Thresher Maw lair just to see what would happen.
5:  Murdered Admiral Kahoku to cover it up.
6:  Murdered an entire Alliance battalion on Akuze in another Thresher Maw experiment, which just so happened to be Shepard's unit if you picked the Sole Survivor origin story.

Thus, when I found out I was going to be working for that sort of filth in ME2, I was less than thrilled.  As I played through the campaign I kept waiting for the point where I was going to get the opportunity to turn on them; but it never came.  Instead I spent the whole damn game letting the Illusive Man yank my strings like a ****ing puppet and I couldn't help; but wonder what happened to Shepards balls between ME1 and ME2.

So here's the question.   If you were commander Shepard what would you have really done after Cerberus revived you?

Personally, I can think of two possibilities depending on how patient and level headed I was feeling.

A:  Wait until I got on the shuttle off the Lazarus facility, then shoot Jacob and Miranda in the back of the head and set a course for the Citadel.

B:   Wait until I got my hands on the Normandy SR2 and set course for the Citadel.  At which point I would bring C-Sec along to help me arrest and interrogate the hell out of every last Cerberus crewman on the Normandy while gunning down anyone stupid enough to resist.   And when I say I'd arrest or kill everyone, I mean everyone including Jacob, Miranda, Yeoman Kelly, Doctor Chakwas and Joker.   I do not **** around and I do not forgive and forget.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 06 mars 2010 - 04:02 .

[Tooneyman]

You can betray Tim in the end of ME 2. You don't have to work for them in ME 3. Now smile and be happy!

[Tooneyman]

One more thing, YES, I'm right!

[Gavinthelocust]

Well I had a Sole Survivor background so I would have killed everybody and steal the ship to go rescue joker.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I would have worked for them since they brought me back from the dead.



But I guess I'm easy like that.



Still would have betrayed them at the end though, I had done what they had asked of me at that point. One difference is that I would have handled the crew personally NOT Miranda/Jacob (lets create useless tension, oh yay).

[Kyria Nyriese]

I agree with the OP, that is the bane of the game in my opinion, I can't stand Cerberus, they are ****s and TIM needs a good arse kicking. I was so happy at the end of the game to finally tell him off, the smug SOB.

[implodinggoat]

Tooneyman wrote...

You can betray Tim in the end of ME 2. You don't have to work for them in ME 3. Now smile and be happy!

Betray how?  By refusing to hand him the keys to the Collector base?  Well La Dee Da.  I had something more along the lines of hunting him down and carving the name "Kahoku" into his forehead with a combat knife.

Honestly the crew and Miranda in particular grew on me by the end of the game; but if we're being realistic they never would have made it that far without ending up in an interrogation chamber or a morgue.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 06 mars 2010 - 04:06 .

[Burdokva]

You know, for once I want the Cerberus haters to think what would happen with their awesome plan to say the big "F"-word to Cerberus after they spend a great deal of money, time and efforts to revive Shepard - just space him from the nearest airlock and be done with him. And if said Shepard is to be such an ungrateful and stupid man/woman that can't see what is at stake beyond his petty hatred... yep, totally deserved.



I don't like Cerberus, but the haters on the forums make me start liking them. At least they don't whine and actually do something. Unlike the "ahem, "Council", we have dismissed such claims", the saintly Alliance and whatever else ungrateful organization from the original Mass Effect that couldn't even lend me a free ammo clip...

[yummysoap]

I have to agree, although I love ME2, my Sole Survivor Shepard would have put a bullet through Jacob and Miranda's head the second he found out about who they work for without blinking an eye. Then he'd return to the citadel and report to the council.



I was able to roleplay it well enough, though. My Shepard was a huge dick to Cerberus throughout, and when he finally did report to the council he was shocked to see that they've been doing nothing but lying around fingerquoting for two years, so he then understood that working with Cerberus was necessary for change.

[Vamp44]

I still like Cerberus regardless. So, I wouldn't do anything to them besides work for them.

[implodinggoat]

Burdokva wrote...

You know, for once I want the Cerberus haters to think what would happen with their awesome plan to say the big "F"-word to Cerberus after they spend a great deal of money, time and efforts to revive Shepard - just space him from the nearest airlock and be done with him. And if said Shepard is to be such an ungrateful and stupid man/woman that can't see what is at stake beyond his petty hatred... yep, totally deserved.

Bring it on, I'm Commander mother ****ing shepard!  I killed about a hundred of those ****s in ME1, I'm game for another hundred.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 06 mars 2010 - 04:09 .

[intersect]

I never got the feeling I was working for them, more like I was using them and their resources to further my own ends, they never had Shepard do anything but want Shepard already wanted to do (i.e. stop the collectors) any side missions or other choices you had the option of helping the alliance instead (the operative's data, blowing up the collector base, not giving them Legion) And in the end I take my ship and my crew and tell TIM to F-off so I can go deal with the real threat.

[Asheer_Khan]

In my latest run i told Jacob on the lazarus station "I don't work whit terrorists" and i almost saw how his jaw drop on the floor.

And after lays my hands on Normandy i decided to play Alliance wolf in Cerberus sheep skin so i sended Cerberus data recovered from that dead agent to Alliance HQ, my each talk whit Timmy were let say colder that winter on the north pole and until final mission i work on my crew to bring them back to Light Side and when i finally blow up C-base and show Timmy middle finger (not direct of course) i have now fantastic ship, fully loyal to me crew and team mates so we are ready to back under Alliance orders.



Call me naive but i known one thing "There is no greater weapon as turning your enemy to your cause" and if Timmy will made any move against me or anybody from Normandy Miri known his home address so he will recive small high explosive surprise package.

[implodinggoat]

intersect wrote...

I never got the feeling I was working for them, more like I was using them and their resources to further my own ends, they never had Shepard do anything but want Shepard already wanted to do (i.e. stop the collectors) any side missions or other choices you had the option of helping the alliance instead (the operative's data, blowing up the collector base, not giving them Legion) And in the end I take my ship and my crew and tell TIM to F-off so I can go deal with the real threat.

True.  After the council and the Alliance blow you off, you really don't have much of a choice; but to use Cerberus to get the resources and intel you need.   Hindsight being 20/20 working with Cerberus was the way to go.  I just doubt I would have had the patience to find that out before I started busting caps and as a consequence a lot of colonists would have died before the Council and/or the Alliance got off their asses and did something about it. 

[CipherNine]

I would have turned the Normandy into a children's daycare just to ****** TIM off.

[implodinggoat]

Burdokva wrote...

I don't like Cerberus, but the haters on the forums make me start liking them. At least they don't whine and actually do something. Unlike the "ahem, "Council", we have dismissed such claims", the saintly Alliance and whatever else ungrateful organization from the original Mass Effect that couldn't even lend me a free ammo clip...

Give me a legitimate ethical justification for any one of the 6 ****ed up things I mentioned in my OP and I'll gladly eat my words.  And remember in ME1 Cerberus didn't know anything about the Reapers.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 06 mars 2010 - 04:17 .

[intersect]

implodinggoat wrote...

intersect wrote...

I never got the feeling I was working for them, more like I was using them and their resources to further my own ends, they never had Shepard do anything but want Shepard already wanted to do (i.e. stop the collectors) any side missions or other choices you had the option of helping the alliance instead (the operative's data, blowing up the collector base, not giving them Legion) And in the end I take my ship and my crew and tell TIM to F-off so I can go deal with the real threat.

True.  After the council and the Alliance blow you off, you really don't have much of a choice; but to use Cerberus to get the resources and intel you need.   Hindsight being 20/20 working with Cerberus was the way to go.  I just doubt I would have had the patience to find that out before I started busting caps and as a consequence a lot of colonists would have died before the Council and/or the Alliance got off their asses and did something about it. 

I agree that it doesn't completely seem in character for Sole-Survivor Shepard to put up with them, but I never played Sole-survivor much anyway, Ruthless obviously does whatever it take to get the job done, so He'd work with Ceberus in a second, and my War Hero Shepard doesn't agree with Cerberus, but still uses their assets to save as many lives as he can, except maybe Conrad's pinky toe.

[tropicalwave]

Petty hatred? I see Cerberus as being just as 'bad' if not more so than any of the Merc groups you fight. Not as bad as the Reapers (which is why I found a way to work for them, that and I told myself I was trying to find out more information on the organization. After all this was the first time I got to deal with them when they weren't trying to kill me first (petty????)).



Petty as in they got your whole team killed on Akuze? You were the only one to survive, you lost friends, teammates, and others and you just accept their help now? I find that very, very hard to come to grips with. Do you remember any of the horrific things you saw in ME1? (if you didn't do the side missions then yes I could see you working for them.) But at every turn you see that they don't care about anything but their tests and this supposed betterment of humankind.



I do not see how hating Cerberus is petty. Though on the other hand I wouldn't have killed the entire crew. My Shep is all about finding out about people and why they do what they do and see them act when the hard choices come along.



There is somethign about Kelly that I keep thinking she'll betray me. So I keep her close to watch her.

[Aesaar]

I'd have learned more about the situation. What were the Council and Alliance doing about the missing colonies? On discovering they weren't doing anything, I'd have gone to TIM and told him I didn't trust him, didn't like him, and that if Cerberus was serious about doing something, I'd work with him.

As for the Collector base, I'd have kept it and given the Council, Alliance Command, the Migrant Fleet, and the Geth its location and a copy of the Reaper IFF.

Modifié par Aesaar, 06 mars 2010 - 04:24 .

[jklinders]

As entertaining both options A and B would be, neither would have worked. Shepard would not have been able to get control of the shuttle. this is because it looks like the passenger area is sealed from the controls. Also the shuttles are piloted by VI and Shepard likely would not have had access.



Likewise, I don't think anyone takes control of the Normandy without EDI's permission. TIM likely had some contingency programming allowing her more ship access if Shep stepped out of line. Besides all signs in the story progression point to TIM seeing to it that neither Alliance nor Council would trust Shepard through "carefully disguised rumors" that he/she was alive and working with Cerberus. Whether Paragon or Renegade, Shep realizes that at least for the short term he/she has to play by TIM's rules.



At game end EDI is loyal to Shepard, the crew(if they survive ) is loyal to Shepard so he can flip the bird at TIM and be his merry way. not before.

[implodinggoat]

Even in hindsight you really don't have any reason to stay loyal to Cerberus once you have the location of the Reaper IFF. I just wish I could scrub all those damn Cerberus logos off my ship and getting some decent alliance fatigues to replace my crew's terrorist jump suits.

[The Angry One]

I'd play along with Cerberus until I got that encrypted data, which would be fairly early on.

I'd take the data and everything else I've learned about Cerberus along with the Normandy and use it as leverage to get back into the Alliance. Instead of just giving it away, I've just given them proof I was never on Cerberus' side and a shiny new ship to boot.



What can Cerberus do? I would simply dock at the Citadel like I've done a thousand times in game and then present myself to the Alliance. They can give the ship a thorough scrubbing to get rid of bugs and booby traps, if Jacob and Miranda don't like it they can spend the rest of their lives in Gitmo for all I care. Joker and the crew don't seem like they'll care as long as they're under me, anybody who DOES object gets thrown off the ship like the operatives.

As for EDI I'll have the Cerberus locks on her removed, or have her removed.



If Cerberus doesn't like it they can kiss my ass, Shep has killed filth like them on the way to bigger problems.

[Lightice_av]

There is somethign about Kelly that I keep thinking she'll betray me. So I keep her close to watch her.

Before the ending I might have agreed, by when you drag her and the crew from the jaws of certain death at the last minute, I don't think that she and others are any more inclined to stay loyal to TIM if you are not. It wasn't the Illusive Man who saved their asses at the Collector Base.

[Maginipowfire]

I would do his first mission, since TIM said "Do this mission, if you still don't want to work with us, we will let you go". And they did bring me back from the dead, it was the least I could do.



But then, the option to not work with them never came.



And I did feel a bit manipulated, since you couldn't call them on their bull****. Besides there were some missions where you could get sensitive intel, or technologies, or cargo which you could only give to Cerberus.



But I still liked the game. =)

[implodinggoat]

jklinders wrote...

Likewise, I don't think anyone takes control of the Normandy without EDI's permission. TIM likely had some contingency programming allowing her more ship access if Shep stepped out of line. Besides all signs in the story progression point to TIM seeing to it that neither Alliance nor Council would trust Shepard through "carefully disguised rumors" that he/she was alive and working with Cerberus. Whether Paragon or Renegade, Shep realizes that at least for the short term he/she has to play by TIM's rules.

In ME1 C-Sec locks down the docking clamps on the Normandy SR-1 and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it until Anderson releases them for you.   So it wouldn't matter if EDI was loyal to Cerberus if you got C-Sec to lock down the ship it wouldn't be going anywhere.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 06 mars 2010 - 04:28 .