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I'd have learned more about the situation. What were the Council and Alliance doing about the missing colonies? On discovering they weren't doing anything, I'd have gone to TIM and told him I didn't trust him, didn't like him, and that if Cerberus was serious about doing something, I'd work with him.

As for the Collector base, I'd have kept it and given the Council, Alliance Command, the Migrant Fleet, and the Geth the location and a copy of the Reaper IFF.


Same, my Shep looks at the big picture before making decisions.  It seems all the people complaining about working with Cerberus by far are mostly if not all sole-survivors.  Which I agree doersnt seem to fit the character, except I'm not sure it's in character for Shepard to just start shooting people medically treating him/ only talking to him.  After learning more about cerberus's operations in ME2, you find out they are cell based and compartmentalized.  I don't buy that TIM didn't know what was going on in his organization, I guarantee he knew every little thing.  After finding out more though, I find it hard to pin blame on any of my crew which have demonstrated nothing but loyalty to me and morals, (Miranda lets her friend go, Jacob turns over his father). 

The MAIN thing about Cerberus that bothers me by far is that if they are operating in secrecy, especially for my mission which seems to be detrimental to be associated with Cerberus out in the Terminus systems, why the HELL are we all wearing matching Cerberus uniforms, with a Cerberus painted ship?!  wearing nondescript uniforms would have removed a hell of a lot of initial hostility.

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For the record I'm primarily ruthless and if I had the choice I'd never work for Cerberus.

My Shep will get things done at any cost, but won't work for some racist megalomaniac and his organization of incompetent morons when there are clear viable alternatives.

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intersect wrote...

Same, my Shep looks at the big picture before making decisions.  It seems all the people complaining about working with Cerberus by far are mostly if not all sole-survivors.  Which I agree doersnt seem to fit the character, except I'm not sure it's in character for Shepard to just start shooting people medically treating him/ only talking to him. 


If Joseph Mengele was patching me up I wouldn't have any qualms about shooting him in the head after he finished the job.   Same goes for Cerberus, they're ammoral filth, undeserving of mercy or compassion; much less gratitude.

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Likewise, I don't think anyone takes control of the Normandy without EDI's permission. TIM likely had some contingency programming allowing her more ship access if Shep stepped out of line. Besides all signs in the story progression point to TIM seeing to it that neither Alliance nor Council would trust Shepard through "carefully disguised rumors" that he/she was alive and working with Cerberus. Whether Paragon or Renegade, Shep realizes that at least for the short term he/she has to play by TIM's rules.


In ME1 C-Sec locks down the docking clamps on the Normandy SR-1 and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it until Anderson releases them for you.   So it wouldn't matter if EDI was loyal to Cerberus if you got C-Sec to lock down the ship it wouldn't be going anywhere.


Then the Normandy is locked down for however long it takes to get all the junk out of it. A whole new crew and or ship would be needed in the meantime, and there would STILL be no Alliance or Council support because the Terminus systems where all the abductions are taking place, are outside of Council and Alliance authority. Remember in ME1 an official visit by a council spectre in the Terminus would have been an act of war. For that a friendly council offers you spectre status, it means nothing, which gives Shep the freedom to act.

Sometimes you just have to play the hand you are given, even if it is a busted flush. the alternatives if Shep did not play along was the deaths of millions. Bigger picture thinking is the key here.

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The Angry One wrote...

For the record I'm primarily ruthless and if I had the choice I'd never work for Cerberus.
My Shep will get things done at any cost, but won't work for some racist megalomaniac and his organization of incompetent morons when there are clear viable alternatives.


I'm not working for him, I'm going after the collectors/reapers regardless, what's the difference if he wants to give me a ship, crew, and info?  The Alliance and Citadel clearly state that they are not going to do ANYTHING regarding the reapers, and as far as the collectors go send a single agent (Ashley) with broken turrets to Horizon that I end up having to fix and save anyway.

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intersect wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

For the record I'm primarily ruthless and if I had the choice I'd never work for Cerberus.
My Shep will get things done at any cost, but won't work for some racist megalomaniac and his organization of incompetent morons when there are clear viable alternatives.


I'm not working for him, I'm going after the collectors/reapers regardless, what's the difference if he wants to give me a ship, crew, and info?  The Alliance and Citadel clearly state that they are not going to do ANYTHING regarding the reapers, and as far as the collectors go send a single agent (Ashley) with broken turrets to Horizon that I end up having to fix and save anyway.


You *are* working for him. You're using a ship he's riddled with bugs, you report to him and take directions, your XO is a Cerberus lackey and the ship's AI routinely sends all your findings to TIM without your permission.
As much as you'd like to think Shep is going along for convenience, the way the game plays it you're 100% under TIM's thumb until the end where you finally get a choice. And even then EDI does some stupid stuff like sending TIM the base schematics. What? I thought you were unshackled you dumb Reaper knockoff!

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Everyone acts like it's so easy to screw Cerberus.



1. TIM spent who knows how much to bring you back. Then you stab him in the back? TIM: You ungrateful SOB!



2. The Normandy is a Cerberus vessel. Shepard is only given command of it. TIM still owns it. You can't just say you're keeping it because you want it. And do you think EDI would NOT have programming just for this sort of situation? She has locked programs and TIM is not an idiot.



3. What about the regular crew? Did they agree to this? "Uh... yeah... screw you... TIM... I think". Who is gonna take care of them and pay their salaries? Shepard? They can't be going up against the most dangerous threat to the galaxy as volunteers.



TIM knows what needs to be done. You just have to be careful he doesn't go overboard.

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implodinggoat wrote...

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I don't like Cerberus, but the haters on the forums make me start liking them. At least they don't whine and actually do something. Unlike the "ahem, "Council", we have dismissed such claims", the saintly Alliance and whatever else ungrateful organization from the original Mass Effect that couldn't even lend me a free ammo clip...


Give me a legitimate ethical justification for any one of the 6 ****ed up things I mentioned in my OP and I'll gladly eat my words.  And remember in ME1 Cerberus didn't know anything about the Reapers.


I'd work for Cerberus, but it has nothing to do with justifying all the crap they did. It would go exactly like it did in my first playthough.

1. Get revived by TIM. Check out the colony, since TIM says it has to do with the reapers and I am, in fact, the de facto first line of defense for all things Reaper.

2. Get the information. Tell TIM he can send me whatever info he wants but this is my show. I aint working for him.

3. Get on the Normandy, say hi to the familiar faces, ignore everything TIM sent me and fly my ass straight to the citadel to talk with Anderson.

4. "Ah yes, Reapers..."

5. Work with Cerberus, because I've got a galaxy to save and if a terrorist organization is the only one who will believe me then I'll take their intel and resources. Devil I know over the Galaxy Killing Devil I also know.

5. ?????????????

6. Profit!

jkliders said.....

Sometimes you just have to play the hand you are given, even if it is a
busted flush. the alternatives if Shep did not play along was the
deaths of millions. Bigger picture thinking is the key here.


My opinion in a nutshell. Shep's not going to save the galaxy with no ship, no crew, and a grand total of "zero" credits he made in the past two years he was dead. If you let every living creature in the galaxy die because you're too noble to work with Cerberus, then you've got waaaaaay more blood on your hands then TIM ever did.

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The Angry One wrote...

For the record I'm primarily ruthless and if I had the choice I'd never work for Cerberus.
My Shep will get things done at any cost, but won't work for some racist megalomaniac and his organization of incompetent morons when there are clear viable alternatives.


My (main) Shepard is the same.

Even in a scenario where Shepard uses Cerberus resources and plays along for the purposes of dealing with the Collectors, I would NOT give TIM all the information represented in the mission reports from the absurd mission complete screens. Not a chance. (Although I as a player came to like Miranda, my Shepard would have dropped her somewhere and promoted Garrus to XO.)

Likewise, my Shepard would not sell pieces of Geth mainframes to TIM for paltry sums of credit, send him mercenary supply crates, or any other resources.

On the other hand, tracking down his physical location and delivering him to the Citadel to be tried for crimes against the galaxy sounds very nice.

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intersect wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

For the record I'm primarily ruthless and if I had the choice I'd never work for Cerberus.
My Shep will get things done at any cost, but won't work for some racist megalomaniac and his organization of incompetent morons when there are clear viable alternatives.


I'm not working for him, I'm going after the collectors/reapers regardless, what's the difference if he wants to give me a ship, crew, and info?  The Alliance and Citadel clearly state that they are not going to do ANYTHING regarding the reapers, and as far as the collectors go send a single agent (Ashley) with broken turrets to Horizon that I end up having to fix and save anyway.

I think it would be simple. Get all possible data on the collectors and the abductions(which you get on the first Cerberus mission). Show it to the Council, and ask for a ship. If they dwell in politics and the fact that a spectre in the Terminus Systems could start war, ask them to not reinstate you as a spectre but support you under the rugs.

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Everyone acts like it's so easy to screw Cerberus.

1. TIM spent who knows how much to bring you back. Then you stab him in the back? TIM: You ungrateful SOB!


Whatever. Shep didn't ask to be brought back. Fine. TIM went to the expense. You know what? That's his problem.
At least with Shep around he'll still have a galaxy to try and dominate with his pathetic plans.

2. The Normandy is a Cerberus vessel. Shepard is only given command of it. TIM still owns it. You can't just say you're keeping it because you want it. And do you think EDI would NOT have programming just for this sort of situation? She has locked programs and TIM is not an idiot.


What's EDI going to do in a Citadel lockdown? Rip off the clamps?
Let's be generous and say EDI hacks the Citadel and manages to get free, she'll only get blown apart by the 20 cruisers surrounding the station.
Otherwise Alliance crews will clean the ship and possibly reset EDI, flash the AI core, whatever and we're good.
Yeah technically it's theft, and technically TIM can file a complaint to someone who gives a damn.

3. What about the regular crew? Did they agree to this? "Uh... yeah... screw you... TIM... I think". Who is gonna take care of them and pay their salaries? Shepard? They can't be going up against the most dangerous threat to the galaxy as volunteers.


The Alliance, obviously. If Shepard plays it right they'll be falling over themselves to get Shep back.
If any of the crew don't like it they can leave.

TIM knows what needs to be done. You just have to be careful he doesn't go overboard.


Yeah sure he knows. So did Hitler.

GODWIN'D

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I would have died shortly after I woke up.

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Maginipowfire wrote...

intersect wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

For the record I'm primarily ruthless and if I had the choice I'd never work for Cerberus.
My Shep will get things done at any cost, but won't work for some racist megalomaniac and his organization of incompetent morons when there are clear viable alternatives.


I'm not working for him, I'm going after the collectors/reapers regardless, what's the difference if he wants to give me a ship, crew, and info?  The Alliance and Citadel clearly state that they are not going to do ANYTHING regarding the reapers, and as far as the collectors go send a single agent (Ashley) with broken turrets to Horizon that I end up having to fix and save anyway.

I think it would be simple. Get all possible data on the collectors and the abductions(which you get on the first Cerberus mission). Show it to the Council, and ask for a ship. If they dwell in politics and the fact that a spectre in the Terminus Systems could start war, ask them to not reinstate you as a spectre but support you under the rugs.


So what happens when they refuse to give you a ship (wasting Citadel resources in their opinion), and you have no cash because you've been dead for two years?

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Actually the whole "ownership" of the Normandy is pretty easy, since as a secret project it probably is not registered to anything. The whole thing based on stolen tech from sovereign and the Alliance. The Alliance would be well within it's rights to impound and re-purpose it.



Me thinks this is a true plot hole.

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Shepard is too obsessed with the Reapers and Cerberus took advantage of this. Almost every dialog with Shepard has to include the Reapers. The old lady got hit by a car while crossing the street? it's the Reapers' fault. Your cat got stuck in a tree? The Reapers put it there.

As Shepard, you have no choice but to let your differences aside and work for them since you're on your own, know the real threat and no one else besides them are willing to help.

It was obvious from the start TIM doesn't give a rat's ass about who Shepard is. TIM just hoped he/she would hand him the base since Shepard sees Reapers everywhere and would do anything to stop them. Sure, he/she is a good leader and soldier, but it was obvious TIM was sugaring you because he wanted something from you and only you could do the job done because you were the only one set on destroying the Reapers.

I couldn't care less if they brought Shepard back to life. I chose to destroy the base and I felt so proud and arrogant when I turned my back on TIM and had the most kickass ship.

Also, I would like to get rid of EDI, I don't trust the AI, nor Miranda.

I am thinking Miranda might betray me. Cerberus is the only one who knows where her sister is and they can use that against her. I also suspect Kelly too and most of the crew. they seemed to be too ecstatic for being "hand picked" by TIM himself, I found that disturbing.

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The Angry One wrote...

rab****annel wrote...

Everyone acts like it's so easy to screw Cerberus.

1. TIM spent who knows how much to bring you back. Then you stab him in the back? TIM: You ungrateful SOB!


Whatever. Shep didn't ask to be brought back. Fine. TIM went to the expense. You know what? That's his problem.
At least with Shep around he'll still have a galaxy to try and dominate with his pathetic plans.

2. The Normandy is a Cerberus vessel. Shepard is only given command of it. TIM still owns it. You can't just say you're keeping it because you want it. And do you think EDI would NOT have programming just for this sort of situation? She has locked programs and TIM is not an idiot.


What's EDI going to do in a Citadel lockdown? Rip off the clamps?
Let's be generous and say EDI hacks the Citadel and manages to get free, she'll only get blown apart by the 20 cruisers surrounding the station.
Otherwise Alliance crews will clean the ship and possibly reset EDI, flash the AI core, whatever and we're good.
Yeah technically it's theft, and technically TIM can file a complaint to someone who gives a damn.

3. What about the regular crew? Did they agree to this? "Uh... yeah... screw you... TIM... I think". Who is gonna take care of them and pay their salaries? Shepard? They can't be going up against the most dangerous threat to the galaxy as volunteers.


The Alliance, obviously. If Shepard plays it right they'll be falling over themselves to get Shep back.
If any of the crew don't like it they can leave.

TIM knows what needs to be done. You just have to be careful he doesn't go overboard.


Yeah sure he knows. So did Hitler.

GODWIN'D

Why does everyone bring out the Citadel argument? You assume you'll be able to reach the Citadel in the first place! Will it take that long for EDI to assess the situation and act out her orders? FTL computation. The moment the required circumstances are fulfilled you're dead in space/on the way back to TIM. Even if you managed to get to the Citadel, he's TIM. You think disabling some measly clamps is beyond him?

How convenient for Shepard. "You Cerberus guys who've supported me all this time don't like the Alliance? Leave, I don't care. You've got families? LOL. No Alliance for you, no Cerberus for you."

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intersect wrote...

Maginipowfire wrote...

I think it would be simple. Get all possible data on the collectors and the abductions(which you get on the first Cerberus mission). Show it to the Council, and ask for a ship. If they dwell in politics and the fact that a spectre in the Terminus Systems could start war, ask them to not reinstate you as a spectre but support you under the rugs.


So what happens when they refuse to give you a ship (wasting Citadel resources in their opinion), and you have no cash because you've been dead for two years?


In fact, they did the exact OPPOSITE of what you wanted when you try to talk to them: give you back your title but refuse to give you any resources. You'd be grounded on the citadel, or assigned to do routine patrols on an alliance ship. That's if they even decided to trust you anymore since Cerberus made you the trillion credit man.

And let's not even mention the fact that Cerberus already has the intel you need to get started. So in the months you waste gathering random information with more and more colonies dissapearing you could have already been hot on the trail of the collectors.

EDIT: For the record, I sent the cerberus intel to the alliance and blew the base straight back to hell. I would have given the base to the alliance if I could, but with the options available there was only one clear choice for me. Caveat Emptor to TIM, he really should have read my psych profile before he brought me back if he thought he was getting that base from me. I still support the idea of working with him the entire game. Shepard has stuff he needs to get done, if no one else in the galaxy is willing to enable him to save them then I guess the TIM will have to do.

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intersect wrote...

Maginipowfire wrote...

intersect wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

For the record I'm primarily ruthless and if I had the choice I'd never work for Cerberus.
My Shep will get things done at any cost, but won't work for some racist megalomaniac and his organization of incompetent morons when there are clear viable alternatives.


I'm not working for him, I'm going after the collectors/reapers regardless, what's the difference if he wants to give me a ship, crew, and info?  The Alliance and Citadel clearly state that they are not going to do ANYTHING regarding the reapers, and as far as the collectors go send a single agent (Ashley) with broken turrets to Horizon that I end up having to fix and save anyway.

I think it would be simple. Get all possible data on the collectors and the abductions(which you get on the first Cerberus mission). Show it to the Council, and ask for a ship. If they dwell in politics and the fact that a spectre in the Terminus Systems could start war, ask them to not reinstate you as a spectre but support you under the rugs.


So what happens when they refuse to give you a ship (wasting Citadel resources in their opinion), and you have no cash because you've been dead for two years?

Technically I killed the Council, so Anderson would make sure I would get it my way. Still If the old council is alive, with that amount of evidence, I don't think they would dare say it is a waste of Citadel resources. But for the sake of argument lets say they refuse to give you a ship, you could still serve as Commander Shepard for the Alliance. And the Alliance would give you, a bleeding hero, a ship. Not only because of the good publicity, but they do care about humanity. You could even enter the Corsairs program =)

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1:  Proved they were incompotent by accidentally releasing Rachni.
2:  Turned the entire Chasca colony into Husks just to see what would happen.
3:  Used children as lab rats to try and create a superior biotic.
4:  Murdered Admiral Kahoku's entire unit by luring them into a Thresher Maw lair just to see what would happen.
5:  Murdered Admiral Kahoku to cover it up.
6:  Murdered an entire Alliance battalion on Akuze in another Thresher Maw experiment, which just so happened to be Shepard's unit if you picked the Sole Survivor origin story.


First, in response to your suggested possibilities:
A: Proves that you are just as much of an unprincipled traitor as everyone at Cerberus.  Welcome to the team!
B: C-Sec thinks you are dead.  Cerberus knows everything the Alliance knows.  Cerberus has people feeding intel to the Alliance.  You were allowed to dock at the Citadel because of something Cerberus did.  How close do you think you would have gotten without their permission? Citadel defenses are pretty good against anything that isn't Sovereign.  And before you win EDI's trust, she could have easily killed everyone on the ship at a word from TIM so that probably wouldn't even have been necessary.
Not working with Cerberus isn't an option for you because it leads to the extinction of every space-faring species in the galaxy.  It's not that no one else has the balls to do it, they pretty much gave Cerberus everything they needed to get it done, and then backed off - despite the garbage coming out of their mouths, the Council and the Alliance clearly know what is going on at some level and have sanctioned this.

Secondly, in response to your claims of how lame Cerberus is:
1: It's not an accident, it's an experiment with very wide parameters.  Many parallels in human history.  Way too many to list.
2: Again, this is sadly something that has happened a lot in history.  Japan, China, America, Great Britain, Germany - doesn't make it right, but no computer program can account for the human touch to experimentation.  Gruesome but true.
3: Beating a dead horse here, but .... humans don't generally breed for failures, you know?  A desire to improve the species is part of our genetic code.  Sometimes it is expressed more forcefully than just making babies.
4: Military leaders send units to their death all the time.  Scientists experiment on living creatures.  Have you seen what they do at Avon to make new colors of lipstick?  At least the Cerberus test had a point.
5: Murdering people to cover up secrets is a time-honored tradition of governments, large organizations, and corporations.
6: Of all the origins, I think Sole Survivor was the most cheated in not being able to at least try to refuse to work with Cerberus.  That makes no damn sense at all.  Other origins, I can come up with ways to justify it but the fact that the default origin and character just weakly agrees with everything Cerberus hands them just falls flat.  If the default Shepard is that much of a spineless loser, why bother bringing him back?

The point is, TIM is correct when he states that Cerberus is humanity.  It is just that it is the worst parts of humanity, the parts that we should be trying to overcome, and certainly not the parts that should be in charge.  However, for this particular mission, it's probably the best parts to work with.  Asking the Reapers to sit down and discuss the issue isn't going to work.

I would like to clarify that I do NOT approve of Cerberus.  I just rationalized working with them for both my Renegade and my Paragon characters.  It was easier for my Paragon, actually.  In the big picture, Cerberus is actually pretty big.  I'm more disillusioned by the Alliance's weak stance on Cerberus - they're obviously still working together, and it pisses me off.  But if I want to stop the Reapers, this is all I have so I have to make it work.  I do plan to kick TIM in the balls someday.

I hate being a Cerberus apologist.  I'm going to go wash my hands now.

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Why does everyone bring out the Citadel argument? You assume you'll be able to reach the Citadel in the first place! Will it take that long for EDI to assess the situation and act out her orders? FTL computation. The moment the required circumstances are fulfilled you're dead in space/on the way back to TIM.


Yes because in game we can't ever dock on the Citadel... oh wait!
How's EDI going to know it's any different from the 6000 other times you've docked there till it's too late unless Shepard prances around announcing they're going to defect?

Even if you managed to get to the Citadel, he's TIM. You think disabling some measly clamps is beyond him?


Oh please, he's going to get past Citadel security? How? Like I said, even if EDI somehow hacks the clamps she'll end up splattered against the wards by the Citadel fleet.

How convenient for Shepard. "You Cerberus guys who've supported me all this time don't like the Alliance? Leave, I don't care. You've got families? LOL. No Alliance for you, no Cerberus for you."


Who cares? There are more important things to worry about than some idiot who decided to join a worthless, amoral organization.

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I'd work with Hitler if he was the only one willing and able to help me save billions of lives. I'd hate it, but I wouldn't let my feelings get in the way of what needs to be done. I can't stop the Collectors alone. I'll deal with TIM and Cerberus when the Reapers are no longer a threat.



The moral high ground won't save us. If we lose, no one will remember that we refused to compromise our values. Stopping the Reapers is paramount. Nothing else matters.

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SuperZombieChow wrote...

In fact, they did the exact OPPOSITE of what you wanted when you try to talk to them: give you back your title but refuse to give you any resources. You'd be grounded on the citadel, or assigned to do routine patrols on an alliance ship. That's if they even decided to trust you anymore since Cerberus made you the trillion credit man.

And let's not even mention the fact that Cerberus already has the intel you need to get started. So in the months you waste gathering random information with more and more colonies dissapearing you could have already been hot on the trail of the collectors.


They don't give you any resources because you're working for Cerberus.
Because you have no choice, you can't go to them or the Alliance with proof that you're not working for Cerberus and get help that way.

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Maginipowfire wrote...

intersect wrote...

Maginipowfire wrote...

intersect wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

For the record I'm primarily ruthless and if I had the choice I'd never work for Cerberus.
My Shep will get things done at any cost, but won't work for some racist megalomaniac and his organization of incompetent morons when there are clear viable alternatives.


I'm not working for him, I'm going after the collectors/reapers regardless, what's the difference if he wants to give me a ship, crew, and info?  The Alliance and Citadel clearly state that they are not going to do ANYTHING regarding the reapers, and as far as the collectors go send a single agent (Ashley) with broken turrets to Horizon that I end up having to fix and save anyway.

I think it would be simple. Get all possible data on the collectors and the abductions(which you get on the first Cerberus mission). Show it to the Council, and ask for a ship. If they dwell in politics and the fact that a spectre in the Terminus Systems could start war, ask them to not reinstate you as a spectre but support you under the rugs.


So what happens when they refuse to give you a ship (wasting Citadel resources in their opinion), and you have no cash because you've been dead for two years?

Technically I killed the Council, so Anderson would make sure I would get it my way. Still If the old council is alive, with that amount of evidence, I don't think they would dare say it is a waste of Citadel resources. But for the sake of argument lets say they refuse to give you a ship, you could still serve as Commander Shepard for the Alliance. And the Alliance would give you, a bleeding hero, a ship. Not only because of the good publicity, but they do care about humanity. You could even enter the Corsairs program =)


If the Alliance decided to trust you despite the rumors, I'd buy that path, except remember when you were shot down you WERE working for the alliance and instead of going after the reapers, you had been tasked to mop up minor geth pockets. 

And for all the people saying you just take over the Normandy mid-flight, what do you expect the armed Cerberus personnel, Cerberus locked AI controlling the ship to do? sit on their hands?  Joker and Chakwas work for Cerberus too, but you know, Cerberus is completely evil so so they must be too and deserve bullets as well.....

Annnnd all the high ranking alliance personnel that are Cerberus wouldn't interfere in any way either. right?

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Karstedt

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Well... if screwing Miranda means screwing Cerberus... then sure. Sounds good to me!

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The Angry One wrote...

rab****annel wrote...

Why does everyone bring out the Citadel argument? You assume you'll be able to reach the Citadel in the first place! Will it take that long for EDI to assess the situation and act out her orders? FTL computation. The moment the required circumstances are fulfilled you're dead in space/on the way back to TIM.


Yes because in game we can't ever dock on the Citadel... oh wait!
How's EDI going to know it's any different from the 6000 other times you've docked there till it's too late unless Shepard prances around announcing they're going to defect?

Even if you managed to get to the Citadel, he's TIM. You think disabling some measly clamps is beyond him?


Oh please, he's going to get past Citadel security? How? Like I said, even if EDI somehow hacks the clamps she'll end up splattered against the wards by the Citadel fleet.

How convenient for Shepard. "You Cerberus guys who've supported me all this time don't like the Alliance? Leave, I don't care. You've got families? LOL. No Alliance for you, no Cerberus for you."


Who cares? There are more important things to worry about than some idiot who decided to join a worthless, amoral organization.

You need the IFF and the data from the Collector base to prove yourself to the Alliance and the council. What would be the point of defecting until then? You would have nobody. After the base, you announce that you're leaving TIM. 

You don't believe TIM can get past C-Sec? He's TIM. :| Connections everywhere. Unlimited finances/bribe money. Operatives and spies everywhere, yes?

So, you're too good for TIM but totally willing to screw over your loyalty supporters. Makes sense.