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[implodinggoat]

rab****annel wrote...

Everyone acts like it's so easy to screw Cerberus.

1. TIM spent who knows how much to bring you back. Then you stab him in the back? TIM: You ungrateful SOB!

They're mass murderers.  If Hitler gave you a new car would you feel guilty about stabbing him in the back?

2. The Normandy is a Cerberus vessel. Shepard is only given command of it. TIM still owns it. You can't just say you're keeping it because you want it. And do you think EDI would NOT have programming just for this sort of situation? She has locked programs and TIM is not an idiot.

Cerberus is a terrorist organization they don't have property rights.  As for EDI, her programming isn't going to do much good if the ship is locked down.  Pull her out and install a new computer then set some techs at her to unlock her memory files while you take the Normandy.

3. What about the regular crew? Did they agree to this? "Uh... yeah... screw you... TIM... I think". Who is gonna take care of them and pay their salaries? Shepard? They can't be going up against the most dangerous threat to the galaxy as volunteers.

I give a ****.  They joined a terrorist organization, they can be replaced.

[SuperZombieChow]

The Angry One wrote...

SuperZombieChow wrote...

In fact, they did the exact OPPOSITE of what you wanted when you try to talk to them: give you back your title but refuse to give you any resources. You'd be grounded on the citadel, or assigned to do routine patrols on an alliance ship. That's if they even decided to trust you anymore since Cerberus made you the trillion credit man.

And let's not even mention the fact that Cerberus already has the intel you need to get started. So in the months you waste gathering random information with more and more colonies dissapearing you could have already been hot on the trail of the collectors.

They don't give you any resources because you're working for Cerberus.
Because you have no choice, you can't go to them or the Alliance with proof that you're not working for Cerberus and get help that way.

I disagree: even IF Anderson was willing to give you alliance resources, the council could very clearly not be bothered with a few dissapearing colonies. They covered up the entire reaper threat, and Anderson enabled it. It's even worse if you killed the council, because Anderson/Udina is basically running things at that point and they still refuse to help you.

That's to say nothing of the fact that your very body is riddled with tech put there by Cerberus. No military in their right mind would put a man or woman with that much terrorist tech wired into his or her nervous system in charge of a ship. What could you say to convince them? "Well, Miranda says there is no control chip in my brain, so I'm cool to drive." I doubt that would go over well.

There was a clear and present threat to the Galaxy. I gave the Council and the Alliance their shot to help me and they fell through. If TIM is willing to bankroll me saving the galaxy when no one else is, more power to him.

[The Angry One]

intersect wrote...

If the Alliance decided to trust you despite the rumors, I'd buy that path, except remember when you were shot down you WERE working for the alliance and instead of going after the reapers, you had been tasked to mop up minor geth pockets. 

What else was there to do at that point? I heard a lot of ****ing from Miranda about Shep being sent to fight Geth, but did she have a better plan? Funny, I wasn't hearing any. Remember the colony abductions hadn't begun at this point.
In fact since the Geth were in fact working with Sovereign, hunting down Geth at that point was the best possible choice for new leads until something better came up.

And for all the people saying you just take over the Normandy mid-flight, what do you expect the armed Cerberus personnel, Cerberus locked AI controlling the ship to do? sit on their hands? 

Again, hand it to the Alliance while on the Citadel. Send marines to board it. Anybody who decides to fight back gets a gun in the face.

Joker and Chakwas work for Cerberus too, but you know, Cerberus is completely evil so so they must be too and deserve bullets as well.....

Joker and Chakwas will follow Shepard, they didn't join Cerberus because of Cerberus' good deeds.

Annnnd all the high ranking alliance personnel that are Cerberus wouldn't interfere in any way either. right?

Even if they were, they can expose themselves and get beaten down by Shepard. Anderson certainly isn't in Cerberus' pocket and neither is Hackett.

[implodinggoat]

Maginipowfire wrote...

I think it would be simple. Get all possible data on the collectors and the abductions(which you get on the first Cerberus mission). Show it to the Council, and ask for a ship. If they dwell in politics and the fact that a spectre in the Terminus Systems could start war, ask them to not reinstate you as a spectre but support you under the rugs.

Or go to the press.  They're politicians, you spread the word that they're sitting around while hundreds of thousands of people are abducted and I doubt it would take long before they were replaced by someone more compliant.  It might not work for the council; but it sure as hell would work on the Alliance.

[ConnorElzaim]

Eh, I worked with Ceberus largely because in two years the Council had become impossible to work with and they don't ask you do anything that's explicitly crossing the moral event horizon...at least until he asks you to use some obscenely volatile and dangerous technology that was made with the blood of millions of men, women and children and which would likely screw you over in the end by indoctrinating the illusive men and whatever operatives he commands on such a thing. At which point I tell him to GTFO out and leave cerberus cueing a dramatic run for the exit before bombs away!

[rabbitchannel]

implodinggoat wrote...

rab****annel wrote...

Everyone acts like it's so easy to screw Cerberus.

1. TIM spent who knows how much to bring you back. Then you stab him in the back? TIM: You ungrateful SOB!

They're mass murderers.  If Hitler gave you a new car would you feel guilty about stabbing him in the back?

2. The Normandy is a Cerberus vessel. Shepard is only given command of it. TIM still owns it. You can't just say you're keeping it because you want it. And do you think EDI would NOT have programming just for this sort of situation? She has locked programs and TIM is not an idiot.

Cerberus is a terrorist organization they don't have property rights.  As for EDI, her programming isn't going to do much good if the ship is locked down.  Pull her out and install a new computer then set some techs at her to unlock her memory files while you take the Normandy.

3. What about the regular crew? Did they agree to this? "Uh... yeah... screw you... TIM... I think". Who is gonna take care of them and pay their salaries? Shepard? They can't be going up against the most dangerous threat to the galaxy as volunteers.

I give a ****.  They joined a terrorist organization, they can be replaced.

Yes, new car = resurrection. Totally.

Cerberus isn't a terrorist organization. That is only its reputation. You think you'd be able to dock at the Citadel and have one-on-one chats with the Human Councillor and the Ambassador with the SR2 flagged as Cerberus?

This again. TIM is evil! I'd never work for him! What, my loyal crew? F*** them! What a hypocrite. 

Modifié par rabbitchannel, 06 mars 2010 - 05:20 .

[The Angry One]

SuperZombieChow wrote...

I disagree: even IF Anderson was willing to give you alliance resources, the council could very clearly not be bothered with a few dissapearing colonies. They covered up the entire reaper threat, and Anderson enabled it. It's even worse if you killed the council, because Anderson/Udina is basically running things at that point and they still refuse to help you.

They covered it up to not cause a panic. I refuse to believe they're so rock stupid as to ignore the threat, and they weren't.
People mock the Alliance sending "broken" turrets and agents to defend colonies, well frankly it's not the Alliance's fault the colonists are too damn stubborn and xenophobic to accept the help in enough time to install them properly. Idiots like Delan probably took their sweet time because of "duh teh Alliance suks wtf we need turrats for lol".

That's to say nothing of the fact that your very body is riddled with tech put there by Cerberus. No military in their right mind would put a man or woman with that much terrorist tech wired into his or her nervous system in charge of a ship. What could you say to convince them? "Well, Miranda says there is no control chip in my brain, so I'm cool to drive." I doubt that would go over well.

Right even if you brought with you proof that you're not working with Cerberus, like the encrypted data?

There was a clear and present threat to the Galaxy. I gave the Council and the Alliance their shot to help me and they fell through. If TIM is willing to bankroll me saving the galaxy when no one else is, more power to him.

You never give them a real shot, because TIM has already sent out the rumours that you're working with Cerberus and you never get the chance to say "Hey, help me and I'll drop Cerberus right now. Here's their valuable data, and a ship you can impound."

[SuperZombieChow]

implodinggoat wrote...

Maginipowfire wrote...

I think it would be simple. Get all possible data on the collectors and the abductions(which you get on the first Cerberus mission). Show it to the Council, and ask for a ship. If they dwell in politics and the fact that a spectre in the Terminus Systems could start war, ask them to not reinstate you as a spectre but support you under the rugs.

Or go to the press.  They're politicians, you spread the word that they're sitting around while hundreds of thousands of people are abducted and I doubt it would take long before they were replaced by someone more compliant.  It might not work for the council; but it sure as hell would work on the Alliance.

All of this takes time that the outlying colonies don't have. And who's to say the Alliance couldn't mount a much more effective counter smear campaign against Shepard? "Don't listen to that guy, he drops off the face of the galaxy, then shows up two years later flying around in a vessel with a terrorist logo stamped across one side. Clearly he's gone off the deep end."

[intersect]

implodinggoat wrote...

Maginipowfire wrote...

I think it would be simple. Get all possible data on the collectors and the abductions(which you get on the first Cerberus mission). Show it to the Council, and ask for a ship. If they dwell in politics and the fact that a spectre in the Terminus Systems could start war, ask them to not reinstate you as a spectre but support you under the rugs.

Or go to the press.  They're politicians, you spread the word that they're sitting around while hundreds of thousands of people are abducted and I doubt it would take long before they were replaced by someone more compliant.  It might not work for the council; but it sure as hell would work on the Alliance.

Paragon action: *Rally the Galaxy*

That'd be epic as hell!  Probably take quite a bit of paragon points though....

[Big I]

I would have:

- tapped into the comm network from Lazarus Station

- Contacted Hackett or Anderson for pick up.



If the comm network was unavailable because of plot:

- I would have used one of the several easily visible shuttles to leave the station and make for an Alliance base or the Citadel.

-If the shuttle range was limited in some way due to plot, I would make for the closest inhabited moon, station, or planet, with a goal to securing passage either to the Citadel or an Alliance outpost.



Only if both comm network and easily visible shuttles were unavailable due to plot would I leave with Jacob and Miranda. From there, I would precede as normal until getting to the "keep your team line", where I would not accept TIM's "that was unexpected, I need more time to evaluate her" about Tali:

-I would forcibly insist on her being on the team once her Fleet mission is done, as she was one of the crew that helped me take down Saren.



Once I had the Normandy, I would contact Anderson and the Council as per usual:

-if they remained the "ah yes, Reapers" idiots I would contact Hackket to see if the Alliance would be willing to contribute to the mission.

-if both the Council and the Alliance refused to address the abductions, I would grudgingly keep working with Cerberus.



In any event, I would take the N7:Operative data to EDI for quick decoding with the intent of eventually giving it to the Alliance, and would make EDIs databases open to the Alliance once she was unshackled. Under no circumstances would I let TIM get the Collector base.

[implodinggoat]

rab****annel wrote...

Yes, new car = resurrection. Totally.

Cerberus isn't a terrorist organization. That is only its reputation. You think you'd be able to dock at the Citadel and have one-on-one chats with the Human Councillor and the Ambassador with the SR2 flagged as Cerberus?

This again. TIM is evil! I'd never work for him! What, my loyal crew? F*** them! What a hypocrite. 

Really not terrorists?   Turning several hundred people into Husks for an experiment doesn't make you a terrorist?  Alright fine it makes you Joseph Mengele and thats way better isn't it?

Accusing me of hypocrisy is not a good idea considering the fact that I've written several ethical philosophy papers on that very subject.  Consider, you are the one who accepts working with an orginization which slaughters human beings for its own ends for the supposed end of saving human beings.   I'm the one proposing that no one is above justice no matter how loyal to me they may be, even if they're my friends.   To say that no man is above justice is the antithesis of hypocrisy.

Now who would you say is the real hypocrite eh?

[Bigdoser]

LOLandStuff wrote...

Shepard is too obsessed with the Reapers and Cerberus took advantage of this. Almost every dialog with Shepard has to include the Reapers. The old lady got hit by a car while crossing the street? it's the Reapers' fault. Your cat got stuck in a tree? The Reapers put it there.
As Shepard, you have no choice but to let your differences aside and work for them since you're on your own, know the real threat and no one else besides them are willing to help.
It was obvious from the start TIM doesn't give a rat's ass about who Shepard is. TIM just hoped he/she would hand him the base since Shepard sees Reapers everywhere and would do anything to stop them. Sure, he/she is a good leader and soldier, but it was obvious TIM was sugaring you because he wanted something from you and only you could do the job done because you were the only one set on destroying the Reapers.
I couldn't care less if they brought Shepard back to life. I chose to destroy the base and I felt so proud and arrogant when I turned my back on TIM and had the most kickass ship.
Also, I would like to get rid of EDI, I don't trust the AI, nor Miranda.
I am thinking Miranda might betray me. Cerberus is the only one who knows where her sister is and they can use that against her. I also suspect Kelly too and most of the crew. they seemed to be too ecstatic for being "hand picked" by TIM himself, I found that disturbing.

if u bought miranda with you when you destory the base she resigns from cerb in front of TIM's face.

[intersect]

Actually one thing I was surprised at was that it seems Cerberus revived Shepard with no shady augmentations? Unless it's a part of ME3(I really hope so), I was waiting for the option to refuse Cerberus but then TIM activate some implant incapacitating me until I decide to focus on the Collectors

Modifié par intersect, 06 mars 2010 - 05:28 .

[SuperZombieChow]

The Angry One wrote...



Right even if you brought with you proof that you're not working with Cerberus, like the encrypted data?


You never give them a real shot, because TIM has already sent out the rumours that you're working with Cerberus and you never get the chance to say "Hey, help me and I'll drop Cerberus right now. Here's their valuable data, and a ship you can impound."

Yes, even if you brought them the encrypted data. You're telling me that if a presumed dead marine wearing an Al Qaeda uniform walked into the pentagon today with some coded reconnasance reports and half his nervous system replaced with technology that does god knows what, the pentagon would fund him and put a marine contingent under his command? Not a chance in hell, regardless of said soldiers service record. The fact that you give them a new Normandy would hardly bridge that gap either. They'd imprison Shepard until they could be absolutely certain nothing in his system is transmitting data or adversely effecting his judgement, turning over whatever data was found to some other N7 operative who may or may not believe in this whole "reaper" business.

The Council and the Alliance did the prudent thing with Shepard, the same thing I would have done in their place. They took one look at him, decided that he was going to use up his one "get out of trouble free pass" for helping them stop Saren, and let him go on his merry way into the Terminus System rather then imprison him until they can figure out EXACTLY what all the crap wired into his body does. Until then, no top secret alliance intel, no access to council resources, no nothing. If Shepard is going to do anything, he's on his own with whatever backers (TIM) he can collect on his own.

[rabbitchannel]

implodinggoat wrote...

rab****annel wrote...

Yes, new car = resurrection. Totally.

Cerberus isn't a terrorist organization. That is only its reputation. You think you'd be able to dock at the Citadel and have one-on-one chats with the Human Councillor and the Ambassador with the SR2 flagged as Cerberus?

This again. TIM is evil! I'd never work for him! What, my loyal crew? F*** them! What a hypocrite. 

Really not terrorists?   Turning several hundred people into Husks for an experiment doesn't make you a terrorist?  Alright fine it makes you Joseph Mengele and thats way better isn't it?

Accusing me of hypocrisy is not a good idea considering the fact that I've written several ethical philosophy papers on that very subject.  Consider, you are the one who accepts working with an orginization which slaughters human beings for its own ends for the supposed end of saving human beings.   I'm the one proposing that no one is above justice no matter how loyal to me they may be, even if they're my friends.   To say that no man is above justice is the antithesis of hypocrisy.

Now who would you say is the real hypocrite eh?

The question is not whether or not they are actually terrorists. Your point was that terrorists don't have property rights. I refuted that. They may be viewed as terrorists by a majority but not by the Citadel and the council.

You seem to be having trouble following me. I am (edit) NOT pulling the holier-than-thou card like many of you. I am merely stating that betraying Cerberus is not easily done and it will have repercussions on you and those following you. Your crew is not evil. They may be Cerberus but that doesn't mean they're evil. Take Miranda and Jacob, for example. You generalize all of them and catch those who have genuinely supported you and your cause in the crossfire. 

Accusing me of being a hypocrite would be foolish because I wasn't saying that TIM and Cerberus is good in the first place. Also I'm a pastor. No, Im not. See what I did there? Claims as to your competency and profession don't matter. Just make your arguments and if they're good then that's all that should matter.

Modifié par rabbitchannel, 06 mars 2010 - 05:37 .

[SuperZombieChow]

Bigdoser wrote...

if u bought miranda with you when you destory the base she resigns from cerb in front of TIM's face.

I question the authenticity of this scene. TIM ended up with the Reaper data, even if you blow up the base. The most likely suspects for sending this data are Miranda, Jacob, and EDI. Of the three, Miranda is the one with the most motive for keeping in Cerberus' good graces (sister's location and all that). I suspect her resignation was less genuine then we are meant to believe.

[LOLandStuff]

Bigdoser wrote...

LOLandStuff wrote...

Shepard is too obsessed with the Reapers and Cerberus took advantage of this. Almost every dialog with Shepard has to include the Reapers. The old lady got hit by a car while crossing the street? it's the Reapers' fault. Your cat got stuck in a tree? The Reapers put it there.
As Shepard, you have no choice but to let your differences aside and work for them since you're on your own, know the real threat and no one else besides them are willing to help.
It was obvious from the start TIM doesn't give a rat's ass about who Shepard is. TIM just hoped he/she would hand him the base since Shepard sees Reapers everywhere and would do anything to stop them. Sure, he/she is a good leader and soldier, but it was obvious TIM was sugaring you because he wanted something from you and only you could do the job done because you were the only one set on destroying the Reapers.
I couldn't care less if they brought Shepard back to life. I chose to destroy the base and I felt so proud and arrogant when I turned my back on TIM and had the most kickass ship.
Also, I would like to get rid of EDI, I don't trust the AI, nor Miranda.
I am thinking Miranda might betray me. Cerberus is the only one who knows where her sister is and they can use that against her. I also suspect Kelly too and most of the crew. they seemed to be too ecstatic for being "hand picked" by TIM himself, I found that disturbing.

if u bought miranda with you when you destory the base she resigns from cerb in front of TIM's face.

I know. But let's say in ME3 she's alive and you went all paragon and TIM wants her to betray Shepard or her sister suffers the concequences.

[Nozybidaj]

implodinggoat wrote...

B:   Wait until I got my hands on the Normandy SR2 and set course for the Citadel.  At which point I would bring C-Sec along to help me arrest and interrogate the hell out of every last Cerberus crewman on the Normandy while gunning down anyone stupid enough to resist.   And when I say I'd arrest or kill everyone, I mean everyone including Jacob, Miranda, Yeoman Kelly, Doctor Chakwas and Joker.   I do not **** around and I do not forgive and forget.

This.  First thing after getting the Normandy, head to the Citadel and meet up with Anderson, just like I did in game.  Then when I met with the Council hand Jacob and Miranda over to them.  Feel free to interrogate, torture, and maim them to get the info you want.  I'm sure Anderson could easily replace the rest of the crew with some good old trustworthy Alliance soldiers then it would be off to pick up Shepard's real crew including Liara and Ash/Kaidan, Tali, Garrus, and any of the new crew we felt we needed.

[Nozybidaj]

SuperZombieChow wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

if u bought miranda with you when you destory the base she resigns from cerb in front of TIM's face.

I question the authenticity of this scene. TIM ended up with the Reaper data, even if you blow up the base. The most likely suspects for sending this data are Miranda, Jacob, and EDI. Of the three, Miranda is the one with the most motive for keeping in Cerberus' good graces (sister's location and all that). I suspect her resignation was less genuine then we are meant to believe.

Agreed.

[Maginipowfire]

SuperZombieChow wrote...

The Angry One wrote...



Right even if you brought with you proof that you're not working with Cerberus, like the encrypted data?


You never give them a real shot, because TIM has already sent out the rumours that you're working with Cerberus and you never get the chance to say "Hey, help me and I'll drop Cerberus right now. Here's their valuable data, and a ship you can impound."

Yes, even if you brought them the encrypted data. You're telling me that if a presumed dead marine wearing an Al Qaeda uniform walked into the pentagon today with some coded reconnasance reports and half his nervous system replaced with technology that does god knows what, the pentagon would fund him and put a marine contingent under his command? Not a chance in hell, regardless of said soldiers service record. The fact that you give them a new Normandy would hardly bridge that gap either. They'd imprison Shepard until they could be absolutely certain nothing in his system is transmitting data or adversely effecting his judgement, turning over whatever data was found to some other N7 operative who may or may not believe in this whole "reaper" business.

The Council and the Alliance did the prudent thing with Shepard, the same thing I would have done in their place. They took one look at him, decided that he was going to use up his one "get out of trouble free pass" for helping them stop Saren, and let him go on his merry way into the Terminus System rather then imprison him until they can figure out EXACTLY what all the crap wired into his body does. Until then, no top secret alliance intel, no access to council resources, no nothing. If Shepard is going to do anything, he's on his own with whatever backers (TIM) he can collect on his own.

Except they did reinstate you as a Spectre, which gives you great authority in council space. So that analogy doesn't work in this case.

Bottom line, it would be immensely greater if you had the option to try to leave Cerberus, and still be rejected, instead of no chance to explain yourself.

I still think they could be convinced to give you resources off the record.

The idea to tell the story publicly is great too, but it could backfire if they played it against you saying that you got crazy after these 2 years. But if the story reached people that knew what could be happening(Mordin, and possibly STG), someone would try to help you. I know the Rachni Queen would, since I helped her, and she sent me a message. 

[DarkNova50]

I would have waited until I had enough people aboard the ship that I could trust to resist Cerberus, specifically waiting for Tali. When the time came, have her override EDI's control of the ship, seal off the sections with my team aboard (Garrus, Grunt, Jack, etc) and expose the rest of the ship to open vaccuum.



Seal off the ship again, re-pressurize, and have my team scour the ship for any signs of Cerberus survivors. Then, disable all the listening devices present on the ship, and, if possible, present EDI with the choice to help me. Finally, fly back to the Citadel, get back in the good books of the Council and the Alliance, present the evidence on the Collectors, and get back to saving the galaxy, Spectre style.



And paint over all those Cerberus logos on the Normandy.

[SuperZombieChow]

Maginipowfire wrote...

Bottom line, it would be immensely greater if you had the option to try to leave Cerberus, and still be rejected, instead of no chance to explain yourself.

We could go around in circles like this forever, because it's all conjecture. I'm inclined to believe that the council wouldn't help you (or that they did all they reasonably could by not throwing you in jail and giving you back your title in exchange for staying in the Terminus Systems), others are inclined to think they would. But either way I think we can ALL agree with what is quoted above. Seems like a boneheaded option not to include, and even if it just ends in you getting turned away empty handed it would help tie up this somewhat messy part of the plot.

[JedTed]

intersect wrote...

Actually one thing I was surprised at was that it seems Cerberus revived Shepard with no shady augmentations? Unless it's a part of ME3(I really hope so), I was waiting for the option to refuse Cerberus but then TIM activate some implant incapacitating me until I decide to focus on the Collectors

Miranda said that if it were up to her, she would've had Shepard re-built with a "kill switch" but Illusive Man didn't want that.  I feel like he is really kicking himself at end of ME2 when you go against him.

[intersect]

JedTed wrote...

intersect wrote...

Actually one thing I was surprised at was that it seems Cerberus revived Shepard with no shady augmentations? Unless it's a part of ME3(I really hope so), I was waiting for the option to refuse Cerberus but then TIM activate some implant incapacitating me until I decide to focus on the Collectors

Miranda said that if it were up to her, she would've had Shepard re-built with a "kill switch" but Illusive Man didn't want that.  I feel like he is really kicking himself at end of ME2 when you go against him.

I think that was a lie, i expect ME3 to start off with Shepard experiencing... glitches

[caffinefiend23]

So... my Shepard would have 'worked' for Cerberus for the greater good... but he definatly would have been vocal about it. Sole survivor just accepting "hey, you brought me to life, I'll argue with you... but I'll never once bring up anything bad you guys did..." doesn't seem right.
When Miranda is questioning you about your mental state during the shuttle ride... the dialogue changes based on background/etc. For sole-survivor... the questioning should have lead to a full on verbal assualt that leaves Miranda speechless.
There are other key points of the game where a dialogue option could have been added for (any background) Shepard regarding Cerberus' actions. Miranda saying 'we do what's best for humanity' could have resulted in... "Really what about Akuze? What about Khoku's men? Cpt. Toombs ring a bell?"
Eh, I don't know...
It just feels very forced... working with Cerberus AND being so agreeable to TIMs whims. Even open hostility towards TIM is summed up by "Your right, I'll do it."
So... I suppose I would have really worked for Cerberus for the greater good... but I would have...

A) Opened a barage of anger towards Miranda during the questioning
Done the same with TIM. I think every mission I took from him would have ended like 'Yea, you might be right, but you can still go f*ck yourself.'
C) Let Tali pistol whip Miranda when she says "At anyrate, it was nothing personal."
D) Every time Miranda brought up "greater good" I'd have some remark of Cerberus activity to throw in her face. (While I'm sure one cell doesn't know what the other does, I have a hard time believing TIM and his right hand don't know about 99.9% of it... what was Miranda over-seeing before Shep died?)
E) Scubbed the Cerberus logo off the Normandy (Why is it, that if Cerberus is a sworn enemy of the council... a ship that shouldn't exist with a big friggin logo of your enemy is allowed to park in your docks?)

ME2 is a great game... and I can't wait for ME3... I just hope we get to quesiton the actions of certain groups next time around....