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[Bigdoser]

Well paragons troll cerb at any chance they get XD They also ask why jacob is with cerb since he is a good man same thing with miranda my sheps get confused why she is so loyal to cerb but its awesome when miranda resigns if you destroy the base.

Modifié par Bigdoser, 07 mars 2010 - 02:23 .

[Terraneaux]

implodinggoat wrote...
You don't turn into his ****ing errand boy.  But; thats exactly what Shepard does.  Once again I wonder what happened to Shepard's balls between ME1 and ME2.  Cause it certainly seems like Cerberus rebuilt me as a docile sheep not the antiauthoritarian badass I was in ME1.

It happens other places too, like dealing with Jack.  There's that scene where she jumped over the bed and Shepard recoils in fear.  Seriously wtf.  

[Nozybidaj]

bobobo878 wrote...

Well, if Shepard DIDN'T work with Cerberus, the council would continue sending him on meaningless assignments like the one that got SR1 destroyed. Meanwhile, the collectors would go to earth in order to collect more people to use as materials for their Terminator mock-up. Way to go idealist Shepard.

You realize that the fact the Council acts willfully stupid in ME2 is just a plot device to make it seem like Cerberus is your only choice?  Actual people in those positions and those types of organizations tend not to actually be complete retards.  The fact that the Council are in ME2 is just duct tape holding the story together.

[Nozybidaj]

Terraneaux wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...
You don't turn into his ****ing errand boy.  But; thats exactly what Shepard does.  Once again I wonder what happened to Shepard's balls between ME1 and ME2.  Cause it certainly seems like Cerberus rebuilt me as a docile sheep not the antiauthoritarian badass I was in ME1.

It happens other places too, like dealing with Jack.  There's that scene where she jumped over the bed and Shepard recoils in fear.  Seriously wtf.  

Happens in a lot of places, like every single conversation he has with TIM , Miranda, and Jacob.  See above post though, if Shepard had actually acted like Shepard from ME1 things start to fall apart for the "dark second act".

[implodinggoat]

To me Bioware copped out on the Paragon vs. Renegade choice in ME2 and turned it into the more mundane and familiar Good Vs. Evil choice we see in so many RPGs. In ME1 being a Renegade was like being a ruthless anti-authoritarian badass who gets the job done while sticking it to the man. In ME2 being a Renegade entails doing whatever the Orwellian racist spy agency tells you to do. Exactly what definition of Renegade is Bioware using? Last I checked docile obedience was not the act of a "Renegade".

Modifié par implodinggoat, 07 mars 2010 - 02:42 .

[Jagri]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Terraneaux wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...
You don't turn into his ****ing errand boy.  But; thats exactly what Shepard does.  Once again I wonder what happened to Shepard's balls between ME1 and ME2.  Cause it certainly seems like Cerberus rebuilt me as a docile sheep not the antiauthoritarian badass I was in ME1.

It happens other places too, like dealing with Jack.  There's that scene where she jumped over the bed and Shepard recoils in fear.  Seriously wtf.  

Happens in a lot of places, like every single conversation he has with TIM , Miranda, and Jacob.  See above post though, if Shepard had actually acted like Shepard from ME1 things start to fall apart for the "dark second act".

Take it easy on Shepard I mean he/she did die in a rather horriable manner and came back to life in what could be considered a Frankenstein fashion. I mean I seen so many people on the forum more torn about Shepard being a Cyberborg Robot Zombie then Shepard ever expressed in game. If it were to happen to any of us I would hope that the only mental scaring would be to be slightly twichy.

Modifié par Jagri, 07 mars 2010 - 02:46 .

[Randy1012]

I would have been totally cool with my Sole Survivor Shepard working with Cerberus if BioWare didn't make him out to be TIM's shiny new errand boy. As soon as I was able, I hit the Citadel and talked to Anderson before doing anything else, thinking that I would be able to fill the Council in and reassure them of my allegiances to the Council and the Alliance, but nope. Instead I get a knife in the back and no logical reason for the Council refusing to support what I'm doing. If they had explained that, because I would be operating in the Terminus Systems, where the Council can't do anything without risking a galactic war, they couldn't do much for me, then I would have understood.

I expected the conversation on the Citadel to be more along the lines of the Council acknowledging the threat of the Reapers, but that they had to downplay it in the interests of galactic stability, while they still had agents out there trying to pick up where Shepard left off (i.e. Liara and Ashley/Kaidan). I should have been able to remain loyal to the Council and go undercover, pretending to work for TIM while really working to bring Cerberus down from the inside. But, no, instead I got "Ah yes, Reapers," and a cursory reinstatement of my Spectre status, which won't do me squat in the Terminus Systems anyway. I still only used TIM and Cerberus as a means to an end and cut ties with them as soon as I'd secured the Collector base, but I shouldn't have had to go it alone in order to accomplish that task.

Modifié par Randy1083, 07 mars 2010 - 02:51 .

[RayneMoon]

I would have stayed and done everything just like I've already done it.
It doesn't matter that I don't like Cerberus, they are the only ones who can help me stop the Reapers
again so now I have to work with them.
In the end I betrayed TIM because I don't trust him or those loyal to Cerberus.
I'm a Paragon person, whether Cerberus helps me be Paragon on the Alliance.
I may use them to assist in the galaxy not being totally screwed over, but I won't blindly
follow them either.
So I'll stay with Cerberus and then leave them when they ask me to do something evil.

[xedgorex]

Cerberus is a splinter faction of the Alliance, im pretty sure in the game it even says they were involved with the development of the SR1.



Nothing they did hasn't also been done by the American government, or any other major government for that fact.



They dont do nice things and they aren't nice people, but they dont do anything that the Alliance hasn't either (if you accept that the Alliance is a descendent of all the worlds armies.)



Caveat : I blow up the base every time and generally ruffle the edges in all convo points i can, mostly i dont turn info over to alliance or cerberus i keep it for myself. I dont trust Cerberus or the Alliance and knowledge is power so im going to get myself into the best position possible for ME3

[implodinggoat]

xedgorex wrote...

Caveat : I blow up the base every time and generally ruffle the edges in all convo points i can, mostly i dont turn info over to alliance or cerberus i keep it for myself. I dont trust Cerberus or the Alliance and knowledge is power so im going to get myself into the best position possible for ME3

I thought keeping the Cerberus intel for yourself was one of the few choices in ME2 that I would truly classify as Renegade.   In ME1,  I never felt like I was being forced to make a choice that I wouldn't make; but in ME2 the entire plot is based upon following an organization that I want to destroy.

I think Bioware could have made going along with Cerberus more palatable if they had given you more opportunities to try and get support elsewhere or to try forcing the council and the Alliance into addressing the problem.   If it turned out that no matter what I tried Cerberus was really my only option then I would have been okay with that and I wouldn't have felt like I was being forced into following a path that I would never choose.   Instead it felt like I went to Anderson and the council once, they said they couldn't do anything and I just pussed out and decided that I'd be a good little sheep for the Illusive Man.

At the very least a few more opportunities to stab Cerberus in the back would have been nice.  As it is, I can screw Cerberus over twice in the entire game, while the rest of the time I'm blindly running around the galaxy doing whatever my shadowy puppet master tells me to do.

[Urazz]

implodinggoat wrote...

intersect wrote...

I never got the feeling I was working for them, more like I was using them and their resources to further my own ends, they never had Shepard do anything but want Shepard already wanted to do (i.e. stop the collectors) any side missions or other choices you had the option of helping the alliance instead (the operative's data, blowing up the collector base, not giving them Legion) And in the end I take my ship and my crew and tell TIM to F-off so I can go deal with the real threat.

True.  After the council and the Alliance blow you off, you really don't have much of a choice; but to use Cerberus to get the resources and intel you need.   Hindsight being 20/20 working with Cerberus was the way to go.  I just doubt I would have had the patience to find that out before I started busting caps and as a consequence a lot of colonists would have died before the Council and/or the Alliance got off their asses and did something about it. 

Actually, I figured they were gonna do that in the first place when I got back and when when I ran into Joker and he told me what the alliance and council did, I pretty much just assumed I was alone in this with just Chakwas and Joker as my backup if I didn't go with Cerberus.

[implodinggoat]

Terraneaux wrote...

It happens other places too, like dealing with Jack.  There's that scene where she jumped over the bed and Shepard recoils in fear.  Seriously wtf.  

Yep and she constantly mouths off to you her commanding officer and you just take it.   I'm not sure if I would have left her to burn on the prison ship; but the first time she gave me **** on my ship I would have said something along the lines of "Don't ever **** with me again.  This is my ship and so long as your on board your going to show me some God damned respect."  If she shut her mouth and followed my orders, I'd let her stay if not I'd dump her worthless ass the next time I went into port.

More egregious though is after her loyalty mission when she threatens to kill your first officer.  Now, I'm sorry; but even the most incompotent pansy ass commanding officer on the planet would realize that you can't let that **** fly and that the only option at that point is to throw Jack out on her ass.

But; what does Shepard the biggest badass in the galaxy do?  Not a damn thing, he just takes it like a little ****.

[Cypher0020]

My opinions on Cerberus have changed since playing ME2. Although they're not people I'd want to associate with, there are innocent people that are in it simply for their families



Listen to the crew chatter in th SR2... I doubt they're all egomaniacs bent on human supremecy. They're scared and simply want their loved ones



Current Shep is earthborn/war hero.... she's probably seen a lot worse during her childhood on Earth and on the battlefield during the Blitz... not to that extreme scale, but she understands not every single person is bad



Chakwas, Kelly, Joker, Jacob

[Rodriguer2000]

the only reason i hate cerberus is cause they kill admiral k(i dont know how to spell it)i felt so bad when i found him dead in the cerberus facility why would they kill a fellow human?

[implodinggoat]

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

the only reason i hate cerberus is cause they kill admiral k(i dont know how to spell it)i felt so bad when i found him dead in the cerberus facility why would they kill a fellow human?

Admiral Kahoku.  If I had my way the Illusive Man would be answering a lot of questions about what "Kahoku" means and why someone apparently carved it into his forehead with a combat knife.

[Rodriguer2000]

implodinggoat wrote...

Rodriguer2000 wrote...

the only reason i hate cerberus is cause they kill admiral k(i dont know how to spell it)i felt so bad when i found him dead in the cerberus facility why would they kill a fellow human?

Admiral Kahoku.  If I had my way the Illusive Man would be answering a lot of questions about what "Kahoku" means and why someone apparently carved it into his forehead with a combat knife.

lol i forgot about the combat knife i hope you and anderson team up in me 3 i missed him

[Dishwasher64]

Really? You think saving the whole galaxy from a race of beings that's annihilated advanced galactic societes thousands, if not millions, of times is easy enough that you can say to your only ally "Screw you, I can do this myself"?



You're Shepard, but you're still just one guy. What's your next move if you just flat out refuse to work with Cerberus from the start? Honestly, what the hell are you going to do? You have literally no resources and no one willing to back you. You needed the Council's support and had to be provided with the most advanced ship available to accomplish what you did in ME1. The Council made it quite clear that they are not behind you on the reaper threat, so good luck getting anything useful from them this time. From their perspective you just cause trouble.



The only reason anyone you recruit joins you is either Cerberus acquired them for you or because you have a hell of a ship and a crew to fly it. If a lone man came up and asked them to walk around with him while he desperately tries to convince people to help him save the galaxy, they'd probably turn him down. Besides which, are you going to fly through the Omega 4 relay with any ship other than the Normandy? Because I sure wouldn't.



Alternatively, assuming TIM didn't have any kind of contingency planning on the Normandy with EDI, even though he almost certainly did, you could have worked with him until you had the Normandy, then cut ties with Cerberus... and gone and done exactly what TIM had planned for you to do anyway: stop the Collectors. I guess you could call it a "moral victory" to make yourself feel good, but why even bother until after you've stopped the collectors?



Sorry, but I don't have much patience for the complaint that "I had to work with an organization I don't like!" Yes you did. That's the idea. That's your situation. There are very good reasons why you couldn't refuse to work with Cerberus at the start. Namely, you'd be completely f***ed. And I mean COMPLETELY f***ed. At the end of the game the situation is a bit different and you can think about cutting ties with Cerberus if you really dislike them so much that you won't even let them give you money and resources.

[implodinggoat]

Dishwasher64 wrote...

The only reason anyone you recruit joins you is either Cerberus acquired them for you or because you have a hell of a ship and a crew to fly it. If a lone man came up and asked them to walk around with him while he desperately tries to convince people to help him save the galaxy, they'd probably turn him down. Besides which, are you going to fly through the Omega 4 relay with any ship other than the Normandy? Because I sure wouldn't.

No they join you because your a mushroom cloud laying mother****er named Commander Shepard.  You know that guy who already saved the Galaxy once?  Shepard is like George S. Patton, William Wallace, Spartacus and George Washington rolled into one, if a man like that asked me to man up and help him save the Galaxy, I'd jump at the opportunity.

If anything Cerberus is a liability by allying with them you keep a lot of people from joining you because they don't want to work with scum like Cerberus.  Hell Ashley (or Kaiden) call you a traitorous POS for working with Cerberus, and you know what?  They're right.

Sorry, but I don't have much patience for the complaint that "I had to work with an organization I don't like!" Yes you did. That's the idea. That's your situation. There are very good reasons why you couldn't refuse to work with Cerberus at the start. Namely, you'd be completely f***ed. And I mean COMPLETELY f***ed. At the end of the game the situation is a bit different and you can think about cutting ties with Cerberus if you really dislike them so much that you won't even let them give you money and resources.

You people keep missing the point I tried to make with my original post.  The question I asked was....

"After Cerberus revived you, what would you have really done?" not...

"If you knew ahead of time what was going to happen by the end of ME2, what would you have done after Cerberus revived you?"

Point being, when they revive you, you don't even know about the Collectors.   All you know is that an organization which you have witnessed committing acts of mass murder, torture, and amoral human experimentation (and for Sole Survivors is also responsible for killing your entire squad on Akuze) just woke you up and now has the audacity to start giving you orders.   In that situation anyone; but a coward or a mindless puppet is going to rebel and yet we are supposed to believe that Shepard the biggest badass in the galaxy would dance to their tune like a trained monkey?    BULL****.

PS:  I'd also point out that "don't like" seems like a rather mild feeling to have towards mass murders.   We're not talking about you're feelings about raisen bran cereal, we're talking about gross experimentation upon hundreds of innocent civilians and loyal Alliance soldiers.   I would think that should merit a somewhat stronger reaction than dislike.

Modifié par implodinggoat, 07 mars 2010 - 07:30 .

[Commander Shepard]

I would give them a chance since they brought me back from the dead

[Schneidend]

Terraneaux wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...
You don't turn into his ****ing errand boy.  But; thats exactly what Shepard does.  Once again I wonder what happened to Shepard's balls between ME1 and ME2.  Cause it certainly seems like Cerberus rebuilt me as a docile sheep not the antiauthoritarian badass I was in ME1.

It happens other places too, like dealing with Jack.  There's that scene where she jumped over the bed and Shepard recoils in fear.  Seriously wtf.  

Recoils in fear? More like "starts in surprise." Somebody just randomly jumped on the bed. It's not like pissed his or her pants.

Modifié par Schneidend, 07 mars 2010 - 07:45 .

[sumof all fear]

 First we would get the Normandy SR2 and collect Garrus, Tali, Legion (and the others though i don't really care about them).

Then we would contact Admaral Hackket and have him meet me on some random uncharted world where I hand in all the cerberus personel (save for joker, mr. 'daddy bags' and gabby, possibly the cook), pick up a few alliance replacenents.  probably shoot Maranda and Jacob execution style, maranda would get shot for being mean to the quarrians, and Jacob would be killed for his annoying ass loyalty quest.

Thirdly I'd probably assault the citadel tower and FORCEABLY explain why they are stupid and why they should NEVER cross me again. Shooting Udina along the way.

Save the collector base, but tell the Alliance, Cerberus, the Turian Fleet, and the Council so everyone knows whats up and everyone can access the information to keep everyone on an even playing field.

Finally I'd go find the illusive man, tie him to a bulkhead in the cargo bay and make him fess up to all the bull**** theat he put me and everyone else through.

Modifié par sumof all fear, 07 mars 2010 - 07:50 .

[Stephenc13]

 To me, if I was Shepard, i'd go for human dominance, if the Illusive Man stabs me in the back, I blast his station

[RobertM5252]

intersect wrote...

I never got the feeling I was working for them, more like I was using them and their resources to further my own ends, they never had Shepard do anything but want Shepard already wanted to do (i.e. stop the collectors) any side missions or other choices you had the option of helping the alliance instead (the operative's data, blowing up the collector base, not giving them Legion) And in the end I take my ship and my crew and tell TIM to F-off so I can go deal with the real threat.

Likewise. Though I would have preferred the opportunity to really be using Cerberus by returning to the Citadel and becoming a Spectre again (even if it was kept unofficial and rather clandestine). Hell, I'd love for them to bug my ship so they could spy on Cerberus through me.

But noooooooooooo... We have the Council getting a complete lobotomy in ME2 and Miranda giving convenient excuses for why all the bad people in Cerberus from ME1 were all "rogue." (If so, they have a criminal lack of oversight.)

So it looks like ME3 will be my Paragon Shep being rogue. No now-moronic Citadel Council (and being a Spectre) and no Cerberus (and being a Cerberus operative). Bleh. What was wrong with being a Spectre in ME2? At least as a potential option?

[nubbers666]

i think Cerberus is the ones working for the reapers lol



but what i would do is soon as i got my ship id fly to the counicl and have them put one of there agents on the ship to steal what ever info from the pcs they could then track down that creepy bastard with those glowing eyes and beat him senseless then go sleep with somara daughter so i can die again lol